Don’t be so sure of yourself Angie. There was a man who had access to govt documents (lawyer & engineer). He discovered an ongoing 20 yr
research project that developed a virus with the exact structure of HIV. There were annual reports. This study cont’d until suddenly AIDS was
‘discovered.’ There is also a lot more govt sponsored research on diseases that is pretty sinister.
The history of retroviruses in animals goes back many decades. An article by Gallo talks of his work on trying to id human retroviruses back in the
mid-1970’s. That was about 40 yrs ago. It predated the discovery of HIV which came of his research which was looking for human retroviruses.
Apparently work on human retorviruses was ongoing in Japan at the same time according to this article by Gallo.
As for Ebola, no one said it was a totally man made virus. What is on the table is how the govt has been able to take a wild virus and make a
similar/matching one. This gives it control for bioweaponry and depopulation maneuverings. I think biotech was more advanced and sinister
than you recognize. The history of is use for genocidal purposes is quite old actually and the Govt labs that control all sorts of toxic microorganisms
also has a very old history at this point. It wasn’t only the Bushes that supported eugenics but people like Bertrand Russell and Adelaide Stevenson
and his wife—a few names that pop into my mine. I believe that even Margaret Sanger was motivated by population control of those not deemed
worthy in her elitist mind.
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Re: Ebola
Some peole will believe any story.
The fact is that AIDS viruses have been around for more than a thousand years, and that is long before anyone thought up the term "virus". AIDS viruses occur in at least 36 species of monkey and chimpanzees in sub-Saharan Africa. AIDS has also been present in cat species as far back as we have specimens to test (the oldest being in Australia), also a very long time ago. There is nothing new about AIDS viruses.
Each species of cat or species of monky or species of chimpanzee, has its own versioon of AIDS virus that does not infect other species of cat/monkey/chim. Lentiviruses (AIDS viruses are all lentiviruses) cannot ordinarily jump species; they need a mutation, usually a cross-over mutation ( where two chromosomes cross each other during replucation and swap chomosome bits) to achieve this. Crossover mutations occur naturally but extremely rarely. SO over the past more than a thousand years (we cannot find specimens to test further back), there are several dozen different forms of AIDS, each species specific, including two forms in a single chimpanzee, and ONE form in humans, the latter of which shows a crossover mutation from a very specific chimpanzee AIDS, so not just any of the more than 36 primate versions known in Africa but a very specific one, was teh virus from which human AIDS originated.
Becasue of the way genetic mutations of this kind can be followed like a road map, it is possible to know which one came from which other one, and so to determine which is the oldest and which is the newest and what order the mutations occurred. This is relatively new research, but some of the viruses are thousand-plus years old.
The mutation to adapt the cimpanzee one to man, is the most recent mutation and the cat AIDS viruses (called FIVs rather than HIVs came before the HIV, were next most recent (and in large cats like lions and cheetahs etc, it was only discovered in 1994 by Prof F.StJ,van der Riet at UCT, forst published in PAwPrint, my publication, with photos of the virus) and the various other primate forms in chimps and monkeys (called SIVs for simian immunodeficinecy virus) go back further in genetic age even than Feline ones.
The order of evolution over more than a thousand years, was Chimpanzee-Monkey-Cats-Humans, with 36 known mutations between the various primates, and a yet to be determined number in cats, but each species has its own.
In animals some of the AIDS viruses are present but do not cause disease, as the animal has evolved so many hundreds or thousands of years since the first AIDS virus that they have developed a resistance to them. MOST of the SIVs do not cause the immunodeficiency syndrome in primates.
In cats the syndrome varies by cat species. The FIV in most large wild cats does not cause disease, but the one in domestic cats is relatively new (despite going back as far as we have domestic cat material to test) and it is indeed like the human one in causing immune system compromise to the point of killing the host.
That said, the one in lions is only inactive in the wild. As soon as the large wild cats are in captivity and given immune system destroying vaccinations (as they nearly all are esp in USA) then the FIV can and does become immune compromising with AIDS illness presenting.
Humans and domestic cats have not had their version of the AIDS lentivirus long enough to evolve resistance even if not vaccinated. It likely takes thousands of years to evolve that way, but it is the normal way viruses work. They initially kill or seriously affect their victims, but the virus itslef woudl die out if it was 100% lethal and infected enough victims. SO it is the natural course of events that the victim/host gradually develop resistance so that the virus itself can survive.
No, they go back thousands of years, including the lentiviruses that cause AIDS syndromes.
There are many retroviruses. Lentiviruses are a subset - a genus - of retrovirus, with the specific feature that they can live in cells that are not replicating. HIV, FIVs and SIVs, are all lentiviruses.
The HIV virus arrived in man via a chimpanzee SIV.
Each HIV, FIV or SIV, can ONLY infect ONE specific species so if your cat has FIV it ca not give you HIV. ANd if you have HIV, you can not give your monkey SIV.
The species jumping happens only very rarely via mutation - not via zoonotic contagion - maybe one mutation to jump species in hundreds of years.
Man got that mutation in mid-20 century, from a cimpazee.
Not via some invented conspiracy.
The AIDS viruses have been around MUCH longer than man has heard of viruses.
You seem to forget that untrustworthy scientists come from training grounds the rest of us also use.
Good universities are the training grounds.
Misapplication of what they learn is possibe but what you suggest is like asking first graders to fly to the moon.
We are not there yet, however wild the conspiracy inventions.
Many (natural as man can not make them) strains of viruses are kept in labs supposedly for research.
They are not manufactured there but some may be grown in viral culture to grow more.
Namaste,
Irene
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P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
The fact is that AIDS viruses have been around for more than a thousand years, and that is long before anyone thought up the term "virus". AIDS viruses occur in at least 36 species of monkey and chimpanzees in sub-Saharan Africa. AIDS has also been present in cat species as far back as we have specimens to test (the oldest being in Australia), also a very long time ago. There is nothing new about AIDS viruses.
Each species of cat or species of monky or species of chimpanzee, has its own versioon of AIDS virus that does not infect other species of cat/monkey/chim. Lentiviruses (AIDS viruses are all lentiviruses) cannot ordinarily jump species; they need a mutation, usually a cross-over mutation ( where two chromosomes cross each other during replucation and swap chomosome bits) to achieve this. Crossover mutations occur naturally but extremely rarely. SO over the past more than a thousand years (we cannot find specimens to test further back), there are several dozen different forms of AIDS, each species specific, including two forms in a single chimpanzee, and ONE form in humans, the latter of which shows a crossover mutation from a very specific chimpanzee AIDS, so not just any of the more than 36 primate versions known in Africa but a very specific one, was teh virus from which human AIDS originated.
Becasue of the way genetic mutations of this kind can be followed like a road map, it is possible to know which one came from which other one, and so to determine which is the oldest and which is the newest and what order the mutations occurred. This is relatively new research, but some of the viruses are thousand-plus years old.
The mutation to adapt the cimpanzee one to man, is the most recent mutation and the cat AIDS viruses (called FIVs rather than HIVs came before the HIV, were next most recent (and in large cats like lions and cheetahs etc, it was only discovered in 1994 by Prof F.StJ,van der Riet at UCT, forst published in PAwPrint, my publication, with photos of the virus) and the various other primate forms in chimps and monkeys (called SIVs for simian immunodeficinecy virus) go back further in genetic age even than Feline ones.
The order of evolution over more than a thousand years, was Chimpanzee-Monkey-Cats-Humans, with 36 known mutations between the various primates, and a yet to be determined number in cats, but each species has its own.
In animals some of the AIDS viruses are present but do not cause disease, as the animal has evolved so many hundreds or thousands of years since the first AIDS virus that they have developed a resistance to them. MOST of the SIVs do not cause the immunodeficiency syndrome in primates.
In cats the syndrome varies by cat species. The FIV in most large wild cats does not cause disease, but the one in domestic cats is relatively new (despite going back as far as we have domestic cat material to test) and it is indeed like the human one in causing immune system compromise to the point of killing the host.
That said, the one in lions is only inactive in the wild. As soon as the large wild cats are in captivity and given immune system destroying vaccinations (as they nearly all are esp in USA) then the FIV can and does become immune compromising with AIDS illness presenting.
Humans and domestic cats have not had their version of the AIDS lentivirus long enough to evolve resistance even if not vaccinated. It likely takes thousands of years to evolve that way, but it is the normal way viruses work. They initially kill or seriously affect their victims, but the virus itslef woudl die out if it was 100% lethal and infected enough victims. SO it is the natural course of events that the victim/host gradually develop resistance so that the virus itself can survive.
No, they go back thousands of years, including the lentiviruses that cause AIDS syndromes.
There are many retroviruses. Lentiviruses are a subset - a genus - of retrovirus, with the specific feature that they can live in cells that are not replicating. HIV, FIVs and SIVs, are all lentiviruses.
The HIV virus arrived in man via a chimpanzee SIV.
Each HIV, FIV or SIV, can ONLY infect ONE specific species so if your cat has FIV it ca not give you HIV. ANd if you have HIV, you can not give your monkey SIV.
The species jumping happens only very rarely via mutation - not via zoonotic contagion - maybe one mutation to jump species in hundreds of years.
Man got that mutation in mid-20 century, from a cimpazee.
Not via some invented conspiracy.
The AIDS viruses have been around MUCH longer than man has heard of viruses.
You seem to forget that untrustworthy scientists come from training grounds the rest of us also use.
Good universities are the training grounds.
Misapplication of what they learn is possibe but what you suggest is like asking first graders to fly to the moon.
We are not there yet, however wild the conspiracy inventions.
Many (natural as man can not make them) strains of viruses are kept in labs supposedly for research.
They are not manufactured there but some may be grown in viral culture to grow more.
Namaste,
Irene
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P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
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Re: Ebola
they don't have to "make" the virus" they just need to grow it and distribute it. the US government brought ebola here after the 70"s outbreak and have been playing with it ever since. the conspiracy theory (the word does not mean it is hooy or not. it just means we cant prove it but conspiracies do exist and many of the theories have been proven true of false given time) this theory is that it was intentionally distributed to create mass fear. the Texas family is being held under armed guard. that is not a theory. i am not saying they should not be confined but it could lead to whole areas being put in lock-down if the government deems it for the public safety. the theory is they injected ebola with the mass vaccination campaign in Africa. maybe?? my thought is the mass vaccination program weakened the populations immunity allowing ebola easy occupation.
the guy in texas that went to the hospital and got sent home was diagnosed with a viral infection and given antibiotics which gave the virus domination over the weakened immune system from the antibiotics. after returning with full blown ebola it took the government 3 days to notify the people from the guys apartment complex he had ebola. then another week to send in hazmat to clean the place. for a government "doing everything to contain the situation"??? they sure are making sure it is given sufficient time in the population to spread
just on last nites news the cdc stated you can not catch it from a cough or sneeze???? what???
now they are blaming the guy for lying having had contact with someone with ebola while in africa. i am pretty sure the government knows who and how many people are coming in that are traveling from infected regions of africa. no monitoring or checking temps on this side of the boarder. they are distributing the known cases coming in to all areas. not sending them all to one hospital for treatment. why wouldn't they send them all to the georgia hospital the first doctor went to?
they are trying to spread the possibility of ebola in many areas so they can instill the fear in many areas. this is hust my opinion but to me it appears the control of this here is very Stupid or just intentionally lapse.
jmo
vicki
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Subject: Re: [Minutus] Ebola
To: "minutus@yahoogroups.com"
Date: Saturday, October 4, 2014, 3:23 AM
It is a conspiracy theory that another
friend has mentioned about HIV and Ebola being manufactured.
I hear all the latest conspiracy theories. However,
biotech was not that sophisticated over 30 years ago to
invent an Ebola virus in1976, and at around 1982 for HIV.
They didn't even know what a retrovirus was until like
20 years or so ago at which point they were able to develop
protease inhibitors based on that knowledge.
Angie
Sent from my iPad
On Oct 3,
2014, at 10:54 PM, "Sheri Nakken homeopathycuresyou@gmail.com
[minutus]"
wrote:
I love this - revert to conspiracy theories - just because
it is
something you do not know about or the powers that be want
to ridicule,
does not mean we deserve such labels. It is a way to
denigrate
those of us who think outside the box and think for
ourselves and have
investigated more deeply than those who listen to mainstream
media.
At 10:35 PM 10/3/2014, you wrote:
Why do people always revert to conspiracy theories regarding
the
existence of bad viruses?
This assumes that biotechnology is a lot more advanced than
it presently
is. A plasmid, even if man made is still very difficult to
get implanted
into DNA, and they tend to be relatively short. Viruses are
very complex
and a retrovirus is even more so. RNA is extremely delicate,
so I can't
see any scientists making a virus, let alone a retrovirus
that will be
successfully implanted the way the conspiracy theorists say.
If they were
smart enough to creat the virus, then the technology would
exists to
offset it.
Oh really. So glad you know all about it. Seems you
might
need to read a little more.
Sheri
Nope.
Angie
Sent from my iPad
On Oct 3, 2014, at 7:45 AM, "Tanya Marquette
tamarque@earthlink.net
[minutus]"
the guy in texas that went to the hospital and got sent home was diagnosed with a viral infection and given antibiotics which gave the virus domination over the weakened immune system from the antibiotics. after returning with full blown ebola it took the government 3 days to notify the people from the guys apartment complex he had ebola. then another week to send in hazmat to clean the place. for a government "doing everything to contain the situation"??? they sure are making sure it is given sufficient time in the population to spread
just on last nites news the cdc stated you can not catch it from a cough or sneeze???? what???
now they are blaming the guy for lying having had contact with someone with ebola while in africa. i am pretty sure the government knows who and how many people are coming in that are traveling from infected regions of africa. no monitoring or checking temps on this side of the boarder. they are distributing the known cases coming in to all areas. not sending them all to one hospital for treatment. why wouldn't they send them all to the georgia hospital the first doctor went to?
they are trying to spread the possibility of ebola in many areas so they can instill the fear in many areas. this is hust my opinion but to me it appears the control of this here is very Stupid or just intentionally lapse.
jmo
vicki
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Subject: Re: [Minutus] Ebola
To: "minutus@yahoogroups.com"
Date: Saturday, October 4, 2014, 3:23 AM
It is a conspiracy theory that another
friend has mentioned about HIV and Ebola being manufactured.
I hear all the latest conspiracy theories. However,
biotech was not that sophisticated over 30 years ago to
invent an Ebola virus in1976, and at around 1982 for HIV.
They didn't even know what a retrovirus was until like
20 years or so ago at which point they were able to develop
protease inhibitors based on that knowledge.
Angie
Sent from my iPad
On Oct 3,
2014, at 10:54 PM, "Sheri Nakken homeopathycuresyou@gmail.com
[minutus]"
wrote:
I love this - revert to conspiracy theories - just because
it is
something you do not know about or the powers that be want
to ridicule,
does not mean we deserve such labels. It is a way to
denigrate
those of us who think outside the box and think for
ourselves and have
investigated more deeply than those who listen to mainstream
media.
At 10:35 PM 10/3/2014, you wrote:
Why do people always revert to conspiracy theories regarding
the
existence of bad viruses?
This assumes that biotechnology is a lot more advanced than
it presently
is. A plasmid, even if man made is still very difficult to
get implanted
into DNA, and they tend to be relatively short. Viruses are
very complex
and a retrovirus is even more so. RNA is extremely delicate,
so I can't
see any scientists making a virus, let alone a retrovirus
that will be
successfully implanted the way the conspiracy theorists say.
If they were
smart enough to creat the virus, then the technology would
exists to
offset it.
Oh really. So glad you know all about it. Seems you
might
need to read a little more.
Sheri
Nope.
Angie
Sent from my iPad
On Oct 3, 2014, at 7:45 AM, "Tanya Marquette
tamarque@earthlink.net
[minutus]"
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Re: Ebola
exactly, that was my point. doctors who diagnosed viral infection should know very well antibiotics will only kill off half the immune system (good bacteria) and do nothing to the virus. therefore making him in worse condition to fight the virus.
vicki
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Subject: Re: [Minutus] Ebola
To: "minutus@yahoogroups.com"
Date: Saturday, October 4, 2014, 1:37 AM
Antibiotics don't work against
viruses.
Sent from my
iPad
On Oct 2, 2014, at 3:55 PM,
"LabelGMOFlorida vickih_fla@yahoo.com
[minutus]"
wrote:
I believe when the dallas case was first reported
they stated he was diagnosed with a viral infection, given
antibiotics and sent home. So basically they compromised his
immune system even more. Leaving him little to fight it.
Never was this point mentioned in latter reports. Doctors
should have some disciplinary action for dispensing
antibiotics when they are quite certain it is viral.
It took the cdc 3 days AFTER. The ebola
diagnosis to contact the residents of the apartment complex
this guy was staying in.
Now they are saying
the guy lied when entering the US. That he did not come from
that region in africa.
Don't you think
we have the ability to track the passengers coming from
africa then transferring planes headed for the US?
ONE. They either aren't worried about
ebola. Two. They are plum idiots. Three. They intentionally
wanted the possibility of ebola out in the US population.
Or... all of the above.
Eat
healthy. Wash hands. Tale extra immune boosting vitamins and
don't lick people how like to travel
That's my plan
Vicki
Www.labelgmoflorida.com
Www.glutenfreeyummies.com
"Sheri
Nakken homeopathycuresyou@gmail.com
[minutus]"
wrote:
well, the latest flavor of the month - Isis (denigrating the
goddess). I hardly think it is important, but they tell
you it
is..................
And Ebola? SARS was the most important; then Bird Flu,
then Swine
Flu (or was it the other way around).
OK #1 - how do we know if there is any truth in any of this,
from
Africa
#2 - how do we truly know numbers (same with so-called
measles
deaths)
#3 - how do we know what they died from
#4 - what kinds of things contributed, even if was ebola -
type of food
eaten or not eaten, contaminated water, parasites, etc
#5 - if they have/had ebola - what was their treatment - did
their
treatment kill them?
#6 - are they being sprayed upon to kill them for some
reason.
There are too many unanswered questions related to
Africa.
Related to us? Sorry, just can't get worked up about
the
hype. I've lived too long and know media hype and
false flags
and things that go bump in the night that keep you in fear
and under
control - save meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. Give me that
vaccine...............save me.
Sheri
Dear All,
I see that we have gotten caught up into a battle about
homeopathic
philosophy, which seems to happen a lot with homeopaths.
Meanwhile
we have gotten off of the most important subject of the
decade (perhaps
equal in importance to ISIS, but this is not a political or
military
forum) if not the century.
I strongly doubt that the medical authorities are going to
try
homeopathy. In fact, I see no reason other than their
stubbornness
why they could not try homeopathy along side their
allopathic
methods. But the so-called medical authorities have always
been
about ego, materialistic rationalism, and money, so I just
don't think
that they are going to try anything short of their drugs.
They
rather be right than save lives.
What say you?
Roger Bird
Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath
http://homeopathycures.wordpress.com/ &
http://vaccinationdangers.wordpress.com/
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Subject: Re: [Minutus] Ebola
To: "minutus@yahoogroups.com"
Date: Saturday, October 4, 2014, 1:37 AM
Antibiotics don't work against
viruses.
Sent from my
iPad
On Oct 2, 2014, at 3:55 PM,
"LabelGMOFlorida vickih_fla@yahoo.com
[minutus]"
wrote:
I believe when the dallas case was first reported
they stated he was diagnosed with a viral infection, given
antibiotics and sent home. So basically they compromised his
immune system even more. Leaving him little to fight it.
Never was this point mentioned in latter reports. Doctors
should have some disciplinary action for dispensing
antibiotics when they are quite certain it is viral.
It took the cdc 3 days AFTER. The ebola
diagnosis to contact the residents of the apartment complex
this guy was staying in.
Now they are saying
the guy lied when entering the US. That he did not come from
that region in africa.
Don't you think
we have the ability to track the passengers coming from
africa then transferring planes headed for the US?
ONE. They either aren't worried about
ebola. Two. They are plum idiots. Three. They intentionally
wanted the possibility of ebola out in the US population.
Or... all of the above.
Eat
healthy. Wash hands. Tale extra immune boosting vitamins and
don't lick people how like to travel
That's my plan
Vicki
Www.labelgmoflorida.com
Www.glutenfreeyummies.com
"Sheri
Nakken homeopathycuresyou@gmail.com
[minutus]"
wrote:
well, the latest flavor of the month - Isis (denigrating the
goddess). I hardly think it is important, but they tell
you it
is..................
And Ebola? SARS was the most important; then Bird Flu,
then Swine
Flu (or was it the other way around).
OK #1 - how do we know if there is any truth in any of this,
from
Africa
#2 - how do we truly know numbers (same with so-called
measles
deaths)
#3 - how do we know what they died from
#4 - what kinds of things contributed, even if was ebola -
type of food
eaten or not eaten, contaminated water, parasites, etc
#5 - if they have/had ebola - what was their treatment - did
their
treatment kill them?
#6 - are they being sprayed upon to kill them for some
reason.
There are too many unanswered questions related to
Africa.
Related to us? Sorry, just can't get worked up about
the
hype. I've lived too long and know media hype and
false flags
and things that go bump in the night that keep you in fear
and under
control - save meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. Give me that
vaccine...............save me.
Sheri
Dear All,
I see that we have gotten caught up into a battle about
homeopathic
philosophy, which seems to happen a lot with homeopaths.
Meanwhile
we have gotten off of the most important subject of the
decade (perhaps
equal in importance to ISIS, but this is not a political or
military
forum) if not the century.
I strongly doubt that the medical authorities are going to
try
homeopathy. In fact, I see no reason other than their
stubbornness
why they could not try homeopathy along side their
allopathic
methods. But the so-called medical authorities have always
been
about ego, materialistic rationalism, and money, so I just
don't think
that they are going to try anything short of their drugs.
They
rather be right than save lives.
What say you?
Roger Bird
Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath
http://homeopathycures.wordpress.com/ &
http://vaccinationdangers.wordpress.com/
ONLINE/Email classes in Homeopathy; Vaccine Dangers;
Childhood
Diseases and Child Health
Next classes start September
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Re: Ebola
Irene, I just wanted to thank you for all your research and for sharing it in very easy to understand language. i am much impressed with your "viral" knowledge. your email from back when we first began speaking about ebola on what it actually does in the body is saved for future reference. very insightful
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Subject: Re: [Minutus] Ebola
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 4, 2014, 10:14 AM
On Oct 4, 2014, at
6:14 AM, Tanya Marquette tamarque@earthlink.net
[minutus] wrote:
Don’t be so sure of yourself
Angie.
There was a man who had access to govt documents (lawyer
& engineer). He discovered an ongoing 20
yrresearch project that developed a virus with the
exact structure of HIV. There were annual reports. This
study cont’d until suddenly AIDS
was ‘discovered.’
Some peole will believe any
story.
The fact is
that AIDS viruses have been around for more than a thousand
years, and that is long before anyone thought up the term
"virus". AIDS viruses occur in at least 36 species
of monkey and chimpanzees in sub-Saharan Africa. AIDS has
also been present in cat species as far back as we have
specimens to test (the oldest being in Australia), also a
very long time ago. There is nothing new about AIDS
viruses.
Each species
of cat or species of monky or species of chimpanzee, has its
own versioon of AIDS virus that does not infect other
species of cat/monkey/chim. Lentiviruses (AIDS viruses are
all lentiviruses) cannot ordinarily jump species; they
need a mutation, usually a cross-over mutation ( where two
chromosomes cross each other during replucation and swap
chomosome bits) to achieve this. Crossover mutations occur
naturally but extremely rarely. SO over the past more than a
thousand years (we cannot find specimens to test further
back), there are several dozen different forms of AIDS, each
species specific, including two forms in a single
chimpanzee, and ONE form in humans, the latter of which
shows a crossover mutation from a very specific chimpanzee
AIDS, so not just any of the more than 36 primate versions
known in Africa but a very specific one, was teh virus from
which human AIDS originated.
Becasue of the way genetic mutations
of this kind can be followed like a road map, it is possible
to know which one came from which other one, and so to
determine which is the oldest and which is the newest and
what order the mutations occurred. This is relatively new
research, but some of the viruses are thousand-plus years
old.The mutation to adapt the cimpanzee one to
man, is the most recent mutation and the cat AIDS viruses
(called FIVs rather than HIVs came before the HIV, were next
most recent (and in large cats like lions and cheetahs etc,
it was only discovered in 1994 by Prof F.StJ,van der Riet at
UCT, forst published in PAwPrint, my publication, with
photos of the virus) and the various other primate forms in
chimps and monkeys (called SIVs for simian immunodeficinecy
virus) go back further in genetic age even than Feline
ones. The order of evolution over more than
a thousand years, was Chimpanzee-Monkey-Cats-Humans, with 36
known mutations between the various primates, and a yet to
be determined number in cats, but each species has its
own.
In animals some
of the AIDS viruses are present but do not cause disease, as
the animal has evolved so many hundreds or thousands of
years since the first AIDS virus that they have developed a
resistance to them. MOST of the SIVs do not cause the
immunodeficiency syndrome in primates.In cats the
syndrome varies by cat species. The FIV in most large wild
cats does not cause disease, but the one in domestic cats
is relatively new (despite going back as far as we have
domestic cat material to test) and it is indeed like the
human one in causing immune system compromise to the point
of killing the host.
That said, the one in lions is only
inactive in the wild. As soon as the large wild cats are in
captivity and given immune system destroying vaccinations
(as they nearly all are esp in USA) then the FIV can and
does become immune compromising with AIDS illness
presenting.
Humans
and domestic cats have not had their version of the AIDS
lentivirus long enough to evolve resistance even if not
vaccinated. It likely takes thousands of years to evolve
that way, but it is the normal way viruses work. They
initially kill or seriously affect their victims, but the
virus itslef woudl die out if it was 100% lethal and
infected enough victims. SO it is the natural course of
events that the victim/host gradually develop resistance so
that the virus itself can survive.
There
is also a lot more govt sponsored research on diseases that
is pretty sinister.
The history of retroviruses in
animals goes back many decades.
No, they go back thousands of years,
including the lentiviruses that cause AIDS
syndromes.
There are
many retroviruses. Lentiviruses are a subset - a genus - of
retrovirus, with the specific feature that they can live in
cells that are not replicating. HIV, FIVs and SIVs, are
all lentiviruses.The HIV virus arrived in man via
a chimpanzee SIV.Each HIV, FIV or SIV, can ONLY
infect ONE specific species so if your cat has FIV it ca not
give you HIV. ANd if you have HIV, you can not give your
monkey SIV.
The
species jumping happens only very rarely via mutation - not
via zoonotic contagion - maybe one mutation to jump species
in hundreds of years.Man got that mutation in
mid-20 century, from a cimpazee.
Not via some invented
conspiracy.The AIDS viruses have been around MUCH
longer than man has heard of viruses.
I think biotech was
more advanced and sinisterthan
you recognize.
You seem to forget that
untrustworthy scientists come from training grounds the rest
of us also use.Good universities are the training
grounds.
Misapplication of what they learn is
possibe but what you suggest is like asking first graders to
fly to the moon.We are not there yet, however
wild the conspiracy inventions.
Many (natural as man can not make
them) strains of viruses are kept in labs supposedly for
research.They are not manufactured there but some
may be grown in viral culture to grow more.
Namaste,
Irene--Irene
de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary
Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be
done should not interrupt one doing
it."
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Subject: Re: [Minutus] Ebola
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 4, 2014, 10:14 AM
On Oct 4, 2014, at
6:14 AM, Tanya Marquette tamarque@earthlink.net
[minutus] wrote:
Don’t be so sure of yourself
Angie.
There was a man who had access to govt documents (lawyer
& engineer). He discovered an ongoing 20
yrresearch project that developed a virus with the
exact structure of HIV. There were annual reports. This
study cont’d until suddenly AIDS
was ‘discovered.’
Some peole will believe any
story.
The fact is
that AIDS viruses have been around for more than a thousand
years, and that is long before anyone thought up the term
"virus". AIDS viruses occur in at least 36 species
of monkey and chimpanzees in sub-Saharan Africa. AIDS has
also been present in cat species as far back as we have
specimens to test (the oldest being in Australia), also a
very long time ago. There is nothing new about AIDS
viruses.
Each species
of cat or species of monky or species of chimpanzee, has its
own versioon of AIDS virus that does not infect other
species of cat/monkey/chim. Lentiviruses (AIDS viruses are
all lentiviruses) cannot ordinarily jump species; they
need a mutation, usually a cross-over mutation ( where two
chromosomes cross each other during replucation and swap
chomosome bits) to achieve this. Crossover mutations occur
naturally but extremely rarely. SO over the past more than a
thousand years (we cannot find specimens to test further
back), there are several dozen different forms of AIDS, each
species specific, including two forms in a single
chimpanzee, and ONE form in humans, the latter of which
shows a crossover mutation from a very specific chimpanzee
AIDS, so not just any of the more than 36 primate versions
known in Africa but a very specific one, was teh virus from
which human AIDS originated.
Becasue of the way genetic mutations
of this kind can be followed like a road map, it is possible
to know which one came from which other one, and so to
determine which is the oldest and which is the newest and
what order the mutations occurred. This is relatively new
research, but some of the viruses are thousand-plus years
old.The mutation to adapt the cimpanzee one to
man, is the most recent mutation and the cat AIDS viruses
(called FIVs rather than HIVs came before the HIV, were next
most recent (and in large cats like lions and cheetahs etc,
it was only discovered in 1994 by Prof F.StJ,van der Riet at
UCT, forst published in PAwPrint, my publication, with
photos of the virus) and the various other primate forms in
chimps and monkeys (called SIVs for simian immunodeficinecy
virus) go back further in genetic age even than Feline
ones. The order of evolution over more than
a thousand years, was Chimpanzee-Monkey-Cats-Humans, with 36
known mutations between the various primates, and a yet to
be determined number in cats, but each species has its
own.
In animals some
of the AIDS viruses are present but do not cause disease, as
the animal has evolved so many hundreds or thousands of
years since the first AIDS virus that they have developed a
resistance to them. MOST of the SIVs do not cause the
immunodeficiency syndrome in primates.In cats the
syndrome varies by cat species. The FIV in most large wild
cats does not cause disease, but the one in domestic cats
is relatively new (despite going back as far as we have
domestic cat material to test) and it is indeed like the
human one in causing immune system compromise to the point
of killing the host.
That said, the one in lions is only
inactive in the wild. As soon as the large wild cats are in
captivity and given immune system destroying vaccinations
(as they nearly all are esp in USA) then the FIV can and
does become immune compromising with AIDS illness
presenting.
Humans
and domestic cats have not had their version of the AIDS
lentivirus long enough to evolve resistance even if not
vaccinated. It likely takes thousands of years to evolve
that way, but it is the normal way viruses work. They
initially kill or seriously affect their victims, but the
virus itslef woudl die out if it was 100% lethal and
infected enough victims. SO it is the natural course of
events that the victim/host gradually develop resistance so
that the virus itself can survive.
There
is also a lot more govt sponsored research on diseases that
is pretty sinister.
The history of retroviruses in
animals goes back many decades.
No, they go back thousands of years,
including the lentiviruses that cause AIDS
syndromes.
There are
many retroviruses. Lentiviruses are a subset - a genus - of
retrovirus, with the specific feature that they can live in
cells that are not replicating. HIV, FIVs and SIVs, are
all lentiviruses.The HIV virus arrived in man via
a chimpanzee SIV.Each HIV, FIV or SIV, can ONLY
infect ONE specific species so if your cat has FIV it ca not
give you HIV. ANd if you have HIV, you can not give your
monkey SIV.
The
species jumping happens only very rarely via mutation - not
via zoonotic contagion - maybe one mutation to jump species
in hundreds of years.Man got that mutation in
mid-20 century, from a cimpazee.
Not via some invented
conspiracy.The AIDS viruses have been around MUCH
longer than man has heard of viruses.
I think biotech was
more advanced and sinisterthan
you recognize.
You seem to forget that
untrustworthy scientists come from training grounds the rest
of us also use.Good universities are the training
grounds.
Misapplication of what they learn is
possibe but what you suggest is like asking first graders to
fly to the moon.We are not there yet, however
wild the conspiracy inventions.
Many (natural as man can not make
them) strains of viruses are kept in labs supposedly for
research.They are not manufactured there but some
may be grown in viral culture to grow more.
Namaste,
Irene--Irene
de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary
Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be
done should not interrupt one doing
it."
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Re: Ebola
I got those (vaccines and autism and alzheimers and auto-immune and neurological illness) covered.
And I want to add that rebounding has proven to me to be an amazing healing agent. It cleans my lymph system. The short story is that I have a flap of accidentally cut skin that is growing back thanks to the renewed power of my immune system, thanks to rebounding.
I fear no epidemic, other than the fact that most everyone else cannot accept non-mainstream healing modalities, like homeopathy, flower remedies, rebounding, dietary improvement, etc. Perhaps I need to stock up on food and buy a handgun. I have seriously thought about that.
Roger Bird
________________________________
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 11:47:08 -0700
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Ebola
Now if you seriously want to fear an epidemic look at vaccines and autism and alzheimers and auto-immune and neurological illness. That is demonstrated in huge numbers every day and no one cares except the families and few of the rest of us.
Sheri
And I want to add that rebounding has proven to me to be an amazing healing agent. It cleans my lymph system. The short story is that I have a flap of accidentally cut skin that is growing back thanks to the renewed power of my immune system, thanks to rebounding.
I fear no epidemic, other than the fact that most everyone else cannot accept non-mainstream healing modalities, like homeopathy, flower remedies, rebounding, dietary improvement, etc. Perhaps I need to stock up on food and buy a handgun. I have seriously thought about that.
Roger Bird
________________________________
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 11:47:08 -0700
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Ebola
Now if you seriously want to fear an epidemic look at vaccines and autism and alzheimers and auto-immune and neurological illness. That is demonstrated in huge numbers every day and no one cares except the families and few of the rest of us.
Sheri
Re: Ebola
I agree 110%, Angie. The very people who are willing to look outside the box (which is a profoundly productive thing) seem to see a monolithic conspiracy everywhere. I think that it has something to do with not getting enough love when they were very young, or something along that line. My wife is a Filipina, born and raised in poverty in the Philippines, and her babies, my babies, LIVED on her chest for the first 3 or 4 months of their lives. I don't mean only that she suckled them for the first 3 or 4 months of their lives; I mean that they LIVED there for the first 3 or 4 months. That is what I call real nurturing and loving and caring. This is similar to how most women in the third world raise their children, assuming that they aren't up against it with regard to survival. We Americans are unique in putting our babies down the hall in a separate room (with a baby monitor). I am constantly amazed at the strong and balanced characters and attitudes that my two children express. I keep trying to raise them as I would expect damaged American children need to be raised, and I keep discovering that hey I didn't need to raise my voice at them, or my son being very on purpose about helping me with my household chores or his studies, and many, many other very pleasant surprises. If a baby is deprived of hugging and kissing and love and attention, everything else after that is catch-up.
These conspiracy theorists suffer from a slight case of paranoia. Yes, there is a systemic reason why pharmaceutical companies are the evil way that they are, but it is not because the players are evil. It is because of our profit system and people's mindset and the nature of natural healing and how our society has drifted towards sub-naturalness. It is not because a monolithic group (mother and father) decided to harm us (put us down the hall and ignore us).
That is my opinion on the matter, and I am sticking to it.
Roger Bird
________________________________
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 22:35:58 -0700
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Ebola
Why do people always revert to conspiracy theories regarding the existence of bad viruses?
This assumes that biotechnology is a lot more advanced than it presently is. A plasmid, even if man made is still very difficult to get implanted into DNA, and they tend to be relatively short. Viruses are very complex and a retrovirus is even more so. RNA is extremely delicate, so I can't see any scientists making a virus, let alone a retrovirus that will be successfully implanted the way the conspiracy theorists say. If they were smart enough to creat the virus, then the technology would exists to offset it.
Nope.
Angie
Sent from my iPad
These conspiracy theorists suffer from a slight case of paranoia. Yes, there is a systemic reason why pharmaceutical companies are the evil way that they are, but it is not because the players are evil. It is because of our profit system and people's mindset and the nature of natural healing and how our society has drifted towards sub-naturalness. It is not because a monolithic group (mother and father) decided to harm us (put us down the hall and ignore us).
That is my opinion on the matter, and I am sticking to it.
Roger Bird
________________________________
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 22:35:58 -0700
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Ebola
Why do people always revert to conspiracy theories regarding the existence of bad viruses?
This assumes that biotechnology is a lot more advanced than it presently is. A plasmid, even if man made is still very difficult to get implanted into DNA, and they tend to be relatively short. Viruses are very complex and a retrovirus is even more so. RNA is extremely delicate, so I can't see any scientists making a virus, let alone a retrovirus that will be successfully implanted the way the conspiracy theorists say. If they were smart enough to creat the virus, then the technology would exists to offset it.
Nope.
Angie
Sent from my iPad
Re: Ebola
I am sure that these conspiracy theories are the product of a damaged psyche. The only conspiracy I see is people trying to make as much money as possible, and they tend to fight among themselves.
Roger Bird
________________________________
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 09:14:44 -0400
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Ebola
Don’t be so sure of yourself Angie. There was a man who had access to govt documents (lawyer & engineer). He discovered an ongoing 20 yr
research project that developed a virus with the exact structure of HIV. There were annual reports. This study cont’d until suddenly AIDS was
‘discovered.’ There is also a lot more govt sponsored research on diseases that is pretty sinister.
The history of retroviruses in animals goes back many decades. An article by Gallo talks of his work on trying to id human retroviruses back in the
mid-1970’s. That was about 40 yrs ago. It predated the discovery of HIV which came of his research which was looking for human retroviruses.
Apparently work on human retorviruses was ongoing in Japan at the same time according to this article by Gallo.
As for Ebola, no one said it was a totally man made virus. What is on the table is how the govt has been able to take a wild virus and make a
similar/matching one. This gives it control for bioweaponry and depopulation maneuverings. I think biotech was more advanced and sinister
than you recognize. The history of is use for genocidal purposes is quite old actually and the Govt labs that control all sorts of toxic microorganisms
also has a very old history at this point. It wasn’t only the Bushes that supported eugenics but people like Bertrand Russell and Adelaide Stevenson
and his wife—a few names that pop into my mine. I believe that even Margaret Sanger was motivated by population control of those not deemed
worthy in her elitist mind.
t
Roger Bird
________________________________
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 09:14:44 -0400
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Ebola
Don’t be so sure of yourself Angie. There was a man who had access to govt documents (lawyer & engineer). He discovered an ongoing 20 yr
research project that developed a virus with the exact structure of HIV. There were annual reports. This study cont’d until suddenly AIDS was
‘discovered.’ There is also a lot more govt sponsored research on diseases that is pretty sinister.
The history of retroviruses in animals goes back many decades. An article by Gallo talks of his work on trying to id human retroviruses back in the
mid-1970’s. That was about 40 yrs ago. It predated the discovery of HIV which came of his research which was looking for human retroviruses.
Apparently work on human retorviruses was ongoing in Japan at the same time according to this article by Gallo.
As for Ebola, no one said it was a totally man made virus. What is on the table is how the govt has been able to take a wild virus and make a
similar/matching one. This gives it control for bioweaponry and depopulation maneuverings. I think biotech was more advanced and sinister
than you recognize. The history of is use for genocidal purposes is quite old actually and the Govt labs that control all sorts of toxic microorganisms
also has a very old history at this point. It wasn’t only the Bushes that supported eugenics but people like Bertrand Russell and Adelaide Stevenson
and his wife—a few names that pop into my mine. I believe that even Margaret Sanger was motivated by population control of those not deemed
worthy in her elitist mind.
t
Re: Ebola
No. It is because you are wrong. No one is trying to denigrate you. Both Angie and I also think outside of the box. I know that there is something deeply wrong with the pharmaceutical-medical complex, but it isn't because of a conspiracy. All of the pharmaceutical-medical types are just as sincere as we are. And some of them, those that didn't get the love and affection that they needed when they were babies, probably think that there are conspirators among us, rather than sincere individuals trying to promote what we believe to be true.
Roger Bird
________________________________
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 22:54:08 -0700
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Ebola
I love this - revert to conspiracy theories - just because it is something you do not know about or the powers that be want to ridicule, does not mean we deserve such labels. It is a way to denigrate those of us who think outside the box and think for ourselves and have investigated more deeply than those who listen to mainstream media.
Roger Bird
________________________________
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 22:54:08 -0700
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Ebola
I love this - revert to conspiracy theories - just because it is something you do not know about or the powers that be want to ridicule, does not mean we deserve such labels. It is a way to denigrate those of us who think outside the box and think for ourselves and have investigated more deeply than those who listen to mainstream media.
Re: Ebola
Embedded in that materialistic approach that you speak of is the need for most people to understand the mechanism of how anything, including homeopathy and cold fusion, work. Without that clear understanding of how something works, mechanically, many if not most people will shy away from it. I don't even know how essential oils work, and they are mostly physical. I don't know how flower remedies work. But I know that all of the above work because have tried them with a clear and unbiased mind. I sometimes think that most people are ruled by anxiety.
Roger Bird
________________________________
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 11:50:21 -0400
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Ebola
Of course it is. We are ruled by Capitalism! If it weren’t for the core philosophy based on a materialistic
approach to life and the values promoted, we would have a whole different paradigm operating.
t
Roger Bird
________________________________
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 11:50:21 -0400
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Ebola
Of course it is. We are ruled by Capitalism! If it weren’t for the core philosophy based on a materialistic
approach to life and the values promoted, we would have a whole different paradigm operating.
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