ISOPATHY

[Shannon Nelson]

I'll give you a break... I have only a few minutes here and there
at the computer, so I am dropping out of this one again.

[Paul Booyse]

Hi Soroush,
So long as we know and understand the characteristic Sx of MMR in autism and they apply to the case. Else it would be a clinical prescription of "mmr for autism post vacc" which may work and may not (pot luck). So an analysis of the symptoms of med or MMR etc occuring in the population as we do with any group of provers. the problem is that with a proving it is more structured, with a supervisor etc.With a meta-nanlysis look at the population, this may not be the case.
Regards,
Paul

[Joy Lucas]

I would also add to this that from an individual basis we know and can expect the assumed damage from a vaccination to have a vast array of sx, from skin, digestion, any organ dysfunction, otorrhea, visual disturbances, mental health issues, joint problems etc etc - so vast is the potential due to individual susceptibility that the concept of sx similarity is a misnomer in the natural proving arena and presents as precarious data - pot luck as you say - and also if treated in isolation disregards Hahnemann's instructions regarding totality. Although proven rx can have quite an extensive materia medica, especially the polycrests, no proven remedy could encompass the vast array of so called vaccine damage, if you place all individuals together.

Joy

http://www.joylucashomeopathy.com
http://www.streetcollege.co.uk

[Paul Booyse]

Hi Joe,
but isn't the cause actually susceptibilty, whih is constitutional? By treating the apparent cause, aren't you running the risk of suppression? because for the patient who suffers autism from MMR, it is not directly because of the MMR (or mercury etc) but because they are vulnerable/sucepptible to that particular stressor, unlike some other kids that don't seem to suffer (and form the backbone of the doctors statistics).
One might have to follow up a patient for many years to see if down the line a treated patient using isopathy improves with health, or suffers some more severe illness years later. I don't think those studies have been done.
regards,
Paul
That is exactly why it is called isopathy and not homeopathy.
It deals ONLY with the apparent cause/origin of the pathology, not with its interaction with a specific patient.
Its use is to remove causality, often lingering, and obstacle to cure, same as removing a splinter or telling a patient to move out of a damp dwelling, which is real estate and not homeopathy, but if not accomplished, will prevent the patient's cure and negate the action of a properly prescribed remedy.
I really do not see what the problem is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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[Shannon Nelson]

In what way is this situation different from treating any acute or
"befallment"? Yes the underlying cause is susceptibility, yet we begin
in the present (with the acute or etc.), and follow trail of chronic
treatment as it unfolds.
.tiff>

[Shannon Nelson]

Who said *anything* about using isopathy in isolation? Who said
anything about expecting it to meet any patient's entire symptom
picture? Again, you are listening to yourself and your own
expectations, not to the discussion.

[srinivasan venkatesan]

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From: "finrod@finrod.co.uk"
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, October 27, 2010 9:12:50 PM
Subject: RE: [Minutus] ISOPATHY
Answer to point 1
A potentised substance is just that - a potentised substance.

It only becomes homeopathic if it is prescribed on the basis of symptom similarity and if shown to have worked.

So in reality, it is not 'homeopathic' until it has proved itself to be!
I leave the rest to other colleagues (esp Joy to answer!)
Rgds

Soroush
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of srinivasan venkatesan
Sent: 27 October 2010 15:50
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] ISOPATHY
1. will not potentiation makes it a Homoeopathic preparation?

2. when "it" is prescribed on "symptom similarity", should that be still called "Isopathic"?

3. H.C.Allen's Key notes, under Mercurius, Relations, "The bad effects of Mer are antidoted by......a strong potency of Mer, when the symptoms correspond. Is not many such examples are abundant in literature
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From: Joy Lucas
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, October 27, 2010 8:08:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Minutus] ISOPATHY
Swan was referring to infectious miasms - you and the 'others' keep referring to the use of potentised vaccines.
I ask you, what are the anomalies, surely you can see them.
And are you suggesting we all now give isopathy because if it works then it works and we do not need homeopathy, we only ever need give isopathy, hooray.
By the way not my article, it was from David Little.
Joy
http://www.joylucashomeopathy.com

http://www.streetcollege.co.uk
Dear Joy
That was an excellent article.
In terms of proving, I requote from your article:
Dr. Swan, who proved Medorrhimun, was once asked if it was legitimate to use nosodes against diseases when they were not proven homoeopathically. His answer to this question was that "since the symptoms of the infectious miasms have been observed in so many individuals they represent a natural proving".
So if we know the MMR vaccine causes autism, then this is a natural proving for MMR vaccine and therefore it could be argued that it could be used homeopathicly to treat the resulting autism after MMR vaccination.
Perhaps this is why Dr Smit and Dr Joe are reporting successes by using the potentised vaccine that caused the problem.
I look forward to your comments.
Soroush
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[Joy Lucas]

You should get a grip my dear, I really don't know why you persist with this 'listening to self' delusion. Treating in isolation is taking the alleged vaccine damage and guessing you are treating it with the unproven potentised substance of said same vaccine.

By the way we are still waiting for you to tell us where Hahnemann instructs us to give unproven potentised substances.

Joy

http://www.joylucashomeopathy.com
http://www.streetcollege.co.uk

[Shannon Nelson]

See my just-prior post.
Gotta go.

[srinivasan venkatesan]

regrets. due to technical error on my side, the previous one has gone as an empty mail
I agree with you Soroush
Additions:
4. Undeniably, Hahnemann is the greatest.
5. No one would deny that Hering, JH Clarke "added" "clinical symptoms" in to their Materia medicas, which are not there in proving and these were popularly known as 'symptoms born by breech presentation'. such symptoms are used by many CAREFUL practitioners and found to be correct.
6. There are good number of contemporary homoeopaths, who are sincere, honest, careful and efficient [don't we have????], who testifies for the Homoeopathic efficacy of so called "isopathic" preparations [which are no longer isopathic in that context].
7. Swan says an epidemic is 'natural proving' of that nosode. Extending this logically, the 'side effects' of a vaccine, globally will be the natural proving of that vaccine, the subtler details pending.
8. Minutus may organize a body, including Joy, to receive data on this, analyze carefully and publish the results in 3,5,10 years

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From: srinivasan venkatesan
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, October 28, 2010 7:31:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Minutus] ISOPATHY
________________________________

From: "finrod@finrod.co.uk"
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, October 27, 2010 9:12:50 PM
Subject: RE: [Minutus] ISOPATHY
Answer to point 1
A potentised substance is just that - a potentised substance.

It only becomes homeopathic if it is prescribed on the basis of symptom similarity and if shown to have worked.

So in reality, it is not 'homeopathic' until it has proved itself to be!
I leave the rest to other colleagues (esp Joy to answer!)
Rgds

Soroush
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of srinivasan venkatesan
Sent: 27 October 2010 15:50
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] ISOPATHY
1. will not potentiation makes it a Homoeopathic preparation?

2. when "it" is prescribed on "symptom similarity", should that be still called "Isopathic"?

3. H.C.Allen's Key notes, under Mercurius, Relations, "The bad effects of Mer are antidoted by......a strong potency of Mer, when the symptoms correspond. Is not many such examples are abundant in literature
________________________________

From: Joy Lucas
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, October 27, 2010 8:08:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Minutus] ISOPATHY
Swan was referring to infectious miasms - you and the 'others' keep referring to the use of potentised vaccines.
I ask you, what are the anomalies, surely you can see them.
And are you suggesting we all now give isopathy because if it works then it works and we do not need homeopathy, we only ever need give isopathy, hooray.
By the way not my article, it was from David Little.
Joy
http://www.joylucashomeopathy.com

http://www.streetcollege.co.uk
Dear Joy
That was an excellent article.
In terms of proving, I requote from your article:
Dr. Swan, who proved Medorrhimun, was once asked if it was legitimate to use nosodes against diseases when they were not proven homoeopathically. His answer to this question was that "since the symptoms of the infectious miasms have been observed in so many individuals they represent a natural proving".
So if we know the MMR vaccine causes autism, then this is a natural proving for MMR vaccine and therefore it could be argued that it could be used homeopathicly to treat the resulting autism after MMR vaccination.
Perhaps this is why Dr Smit and Dr Joe are reporting successes by using the potentised vaccine that caused the problem.
I look forward to your comments.
Soroush
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