fastidious

[Nandana T.Pai]

A patient bathes 3-5 times a day , ( expalantion - i sweat a lot so?
Sweat will smell i dont like it , so as soon i sweat i bath. and change cloths )
he does not take fish if he has to go out as hand will smell
hw has an avertion to milk, and milkproducts like ghee,
and butter ( only milk product he use is curd which is sour if it isnot sour he willnot use it)
and desire sour.
He has sneezing from change in room temperatuer (i think getting into a warm room )
He prefer open windows than the fan.

He has urticari from exposure to and caretpillers, or any allergen
the skin becomes red and itch for some time which is usualy out of propotion to the
alletgen.

He has joint pains ( all joints pain tolerable ) after slightes exertion, Aso titer is negtive Rh factor is negative only
there is very very slight increase in uric acid level.

family history of cardica complaints,
personal history of astha in childhood

I would like to know the rubrics which can be take in the case

Thanks you
Nandana

[dusty1197]

Hi Nandana,

You might want to investigate further into the fastidious
cleanliness. It is very characteristic of Ars to be obsessed with
cleanliness, as Ars corresponds quite well to the form of OCD that
fears germs and the transfer of germs and the delusion that one's
hands are contaminated. Ars can be found under mania for
cleanliness, desirous of sour foods and aversion to milk, > by open
air, < drafts, < exertion and change of temperature, and generals,
joint pain. I'm not saying that that's what your client needs, but
it couldn't hurt to look

Toni
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "Nandana T.Pai" wrote:
so?
change cloths )
isnot sour he willnot use it)
into a warm room )
propotion to the
exertion, Aso titer is negtive Rh factor is negative only

[tal inbar]

Hi Nandana and tony
you even don't know if he baths a lot because he is clean or because his
sweat is acrid and painful for his sensitive skin.
that's not a case (nor a patient), it`s just a mere selection of rubrics.
some more investigation would be nice.
tal

[dusty1197]

Yes, Tal, a more comprehensive case is always necessary. I wrote
what I did as a means to suggesting further investigation into the
fastidious cleanliness with Ars as an example worthy of further
study. Because of the hesitance to handle fish, I got a sense that
the man's concern over malodorousness and cleanliness involved more
than the nature of his perspiration.

Toni
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, tal inbar wrote:
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[Nandana T. Pai]

A patient bathes 3-5 times a day , ( expalantion - i sweat a lot so?
Sweat will smell i dont like it , so as soon i sweat i bath. and change
cloths )
he does not take fish if he has to go out as hand will smell
he has an aversion to milk, and milk products like ghee,
and butter ( only milk product he use is curd which is sour if it isnot
sour he will not use it)
and desire sour.
He has sneezing from change in room temperature (i think getting into a
warm room )
He prefer open windows than the fan.

He has urticaria from exposure to and caterpillers, or any allergen
the skin becomes red and itch for some time which is usually out of
proportion to the
allergen.

He has joint pains ( all joints pain tolerable ) after slightest
exertion, Aso titer is negtive Rh factor is negative only
there is very very slight increase in uric acid level.

family history of cardica complaints,
personal history of asthma in childhood

I would like to know the rubrics which can be take in the case

Thanks you
Nandana

[Richard]

Fastidious means: "easily disgusted/carefully selective/hard to
please" from Oxford English dictionary. So it looks as if he is
'easily disgusted'.. fastidious
plus:
aversion to milk
desires sour
desires air
sweat profuse [?true, or just his fastidiousness about normal sweat]

particulars are:
sneeze < change of temp or enter warm room
jts < slight exertion

Using Kent or Complete 4.5 it is difficult to cover with the
information given so I prefer to analyse this case using the
Boenninghausen repertory [G Dimitriadis translation] which gives:

Date of Consultation: 11/02/2005

No. TBR No. Rubric Details

1 1062 Squeamishness (easily disgusted, fastidious)
2 437 Milk, avers.:
3 450 Sour (acidic) things, desires:
4 2068 (Aggr.) Changes of temperature:
5 2310 (Aggr.) Exertion of the body, from:
Remedy Name Count 1 2 3 4 5

Sulfur lotum (5) 4 4 4 1 4
Pulsatilla pratensis (5) 2 4 4 3 1
Phosphorus (5) 4 1 4 2 2
Arsenicum album (4) 4 - 3 4 4
Veratrum album (4) 4 - 4 1 4
Bryonia alba aut dioica (4) 1 4 4 - 4
Ignatia amara (4) 4 4 3 - 1
Arnica montana (4) 1 1 4 - 4
Nux vomica (4) 3 1 - 2 3
Sabina (4) 1 - 2 3 3
Natrum carbonicum (3) 4 4 - - 2
Silicea terra (3) 2 4 - - 3
Sepia succus (3) - 4 3 - 2
Lycopodium clavatum (3) 4 - - 1 4
Calcarea carbonica (3) 2 4 - - 3
Rhus toxicodendron (3) 2 - - 2 4
Carbo vegetabilis (3) 2 2 - 3 -
China officinalis (3) 2 - 3 - 2
Hepar sulfuris calcareum (3) 1 - 4 - 2
Aconitum napellus (3) 3 - 1 - 3

So, my choice would be sulphur, which we know has 'disgust with own
body odours' anyway. It fits the lesions too...
How's that sound?

Richard
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[J Lucas]

Except that Sulphur hate to wash, that is often why they are disgusted at
their own body odours, but they are too lazy or too egotistical to do
anything about it.

There are a great many rx that have sensitivity to odours but my concern is
that if someone has to ask what rubrics to use for the whole case then they
shouldn¹t even be taking the case or even prescribing.

Joy
on 11/2/05 11:48 am, Richard at richardlaing@ntlworld.com wrote:
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[Richard]

In reply to your criticism of my response to this request, Joy, I'd
like to say, firstly, I think to interpret the sulphur disgust as
having a specific reason, which is not itself found in the provings,
is a cardinal error in homeopathy, which limits the usefulness of the
evidence to situations we have constructed in our imagination. Are all
the sulphur prescriptions you give for people ? Does it only work in such people?
Secondly, your harsh rebuke to the sender of the original question is
enough to scare away anyone who dares to send in a request for ideas.
What is a discussion group for? Only the learned and wise who are
above needing any help?
I believe none of us can too often go over the basics. A case in
point: I recently came across a Kent-era item at
http://www.homeoint.org/books2/bidwhow/ on how to use the repertory.
My first thought was, I already know all this. Further study showed me
how valuable Bidwell's essay was for me. Perhaps you would see this
appreciation for something so elementary as a disgrace!

In the spirit of constructive debate,
Richard
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disgusted at
concern is
then they

[J Lucas]

I didn't write anything critical of your response, I was just writing about
Sulphur as a remedy.

We used to discuss a great many full cases on this list, contributed by
people who were willing to share these cases (sometimes they were difficult
cases) and I was one of the people who helped instigate that process, it was
always enlightening to share these cases (in my opinion anyway), but when
someone dumps fragments of a case to the list that includes symptoms that
are fundamentally basic and easy to repertorise, but they need help in
repping those easy sx then I have great concerns about HOW it is people get
to be practising homeopathy. Don't you have those concerns? It is possibly
why no-one else replied to the post.

Joy

http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com

[Ellen Madono]

Dear Joy,
I really would like to discuss cases in full, but I hesitate because I don't often see what is my idea of a very full description of cases. The detail that one sees in the presentations of Mangialavori or Sankaran are in my eyes ideal. They present their cases always with a specific teaching point. When I am troubled by a case, I lack that theretical or clinical rubric building content. For that reason, I normally would only present the aspect of the case that might be of general interest, or a sx that can't find a rubric... Never a full case. I don't know how others feel. Is there an ettiquette for presenting a case that one is having trouble with? Is it helpful to post sx's, or to describe situations in detail? Or is this all just a matter of common sense and taste? If lots of people reply to a case, usually its because there is some juicy content. I am not sure the number of replies is a measure of good case presentation of a full case.
Blessings,
Ellen