hello all list members,
i have a question about a German company(the name will be given if requested) which sells on the market a "flu and cold remedy" which is a combination of 5 remedies(acon D4, bryon D4,lach D12, eupat perfol D3, phos D5). The company claims that it accelerates the cure of colds and flues, reliefs, and strengthens the immune system.
My questions are:
Is it possible to use a mixture of remedies in homeopathy?
And, is it possible to give a remedy for a week(for a chronical problem), then the next day give another remedy(for another problem, for a few days) and then directly continue with the previous remedy(for the chronic problem) ?
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Re: remedy mixture
Hello,
Dr. Eric F Powell was one of the earliest to advocate for the combinations
of homoeo medicines. Thereafter, it sprang up.
Regards,
Vijay Kumar
Dr. Eric F Powell was one of the earliest to advocate for the combinations
of homoeo medicines. Thereafter, it sprang up.
Regards,
Vijay Kumar
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Re: remedy mixture
What reasons did Dr. Eric F Powell advance to justify the use of "combinations"?
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vijay kumar wrote:
Hello,
Dr. Eric F Powell was one of the earliest to advocate for the combinations
of homoeo medicines. Thereafter, it sprang up.
Regards,
Vijay Kumar
Dr. Syed Mohsin Rizvi
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vijay kumar wrote:
Hello,
Dr. Eric F Powell was one of the earliest to advocate for the combinations
of homoeo medicines. Thereafter, it sprang up.
Regards,
Vijay Kumar
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Re: remedy mixture
At 1:26 PM +0530 1/13/05, vijay kumar wrote:
Oh my my!! No, no, no! Read your history! It did NOT spring up AFTER
Powel wrote his "Group Remedy Prescriber." Although the book does
not have a date (the Brits NEVER put publishing dates in their books,
sorry to say) it was published by Health Science Press-- probably in
the 1940s. My copy was the first reprint in 1970. Powell was a
British Naturopath who used Radionics to determine the best remedies.
As far as I know, the first *commercial* combinations were created by
Frederick Humphreys in the early *1850s.* He was kicked out of the
AIH in 1855 for advocating combinations. After that, many companies
offered combinations.
Before THAT, Boenninghausen and Hahnemann, on the advice of Aegidi
experimented with using two remedies at the same time. The practice
was abandoned by all of them prior to the Organon edition of 1833.
To answer Dimitri Rolf, who wrote:
Anything is *possible*. The question is, "does it work?" and the
question from THAT is "how do you know which remedy in the combo
worked?" And THAT brings up all sorts of issues about case management.
Hahnemann spoke *clearly* against the use of combinations, citing the
difficulty of case management and inability to understand exactly
what the combo did-- something that is not a problem with single
remedies.
I have heard of people doing this. In fact, this is not "combining"
but rather rapid alternation. Combining would be giving BOTH remedies
at the same time.
In looking at the above combo:
5 remedies(acon D4, bryon D4,lach D12, eupat perfol D3, phos D5)
Read up on them. See if the symptoms of them would be good for cold and flus.
Aconite, of course, is thought of for sudden onset from exposure to cold.
Bryonia would be a specific kind of "flu" where it hurts upon
movement. There might be chest and respiration sxs with it.
Eup perf is for flus where one feels the pain in their bones.
Phos. has all sorts of cough and chest stuff that *might* relate.
Lach? I'm puzzled by this one. Why is it there?
The answer *might* be that the company that formulated this combo
derived the combination from diagnostics done with a Voll or other
kind of electrical acupuncture machine. That's from where a lot of
the German combo remedies are derived.
Why bother taking such a combo? Most flus have clearly identifiable
symptoms that lead to a single remedy, and many flus and colds have
symptoms that are NOT covered by the above combo-- like Gelsemium,
Ant tart, Baptisia, Ferrum phos, etc.
JW
Oh my my!! No, no, no! Read your history! It did NOT spring up AFTER
Powel wrote his "Group Remedy Prescriber." Although the book does
not have a date (the Brits NEVER put publishing dates in their books,
sorry to say) it was published by Health Science Press-- probably in
the 1940s. My copy was the first reprint in 1970. Powell was a
British Naturopath who used Radionics to determine the best remedies.
As far as I know, the first *commercial* combinations were created by
Frederick Humphreys in the early *1850s.* He was kicked out of the
AIH in 1855 for advocating combinations. After that, many companies
offered combinations.
Before THAT, Boenninghausen and Hahnemann, on the advice of Aegidi
experimented with using two remedies at the same time. The practice
was abandoned by all of them prior to the Organon edition of 1833.
To answer Dimitri Rolf, who wrote:
Anything is *possible*. The question is, "does it work?" and the
question from THAT is "how do you know which remedy in the combo
worked?" And THAT brings up all sorts of issues about case management.
Hahnemann spoke *clearly* against the use of combinations, citing the
difficulty of case management and inability to understand exactly
what the combo did-- something that is not a problem with single
remedies.
I have heard of people doing this. In fact, this is not "combining"
but rather rapid alternation. Combining would be giving BOTH remedies
at the same time.
In looking at the above combo:
5 remedies(acon D4, bryon D4,lach D12, eupat perfol D3, phos D5)
Read up on them. See if the symptoms of them would be good for cold and flus.
Aconite, of course, is thought of for sudden onset from exposure to cold.
Bryonia would be a specific kind of "flu" where it hurts upon
movement. There might be chest and respiration sxs with it.
Eup perf is for flus where one feels the pain in their bones.
Phos. has all sorts of cough and chest stuff that *might* relate.
Lach? I'm puzzled by this one. Why is it there?
The answer *might* be that the company that formulated this combo
derived the combination from diagnostics done with a Voll or other
kind of electrical acupuncture machine. That's from where a lot of
the German combo remedies are derived.
Why bother taking such a combo? Most flus have clearly identifiable
symptoms that lead to a single remedy, and many flus and colds have
symptoms that are NOT covered by the above combo-- like Gelsemium,
Ant tart, Baptisia, Ferrum phos, etc.
JW
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hello Julian,
thanks for your reply, it was very informative.
About your question: "Why bother taking such a combo? Most flus have clearly identifiable
symptoms that lead to a single remedy, and many flus and colds have
symptoms that are NOT covered by the above combo-- like Gelsemium,
Ant tart, Baptisia, Ferrum phos, etc.", you are right!
i also noticed the lack of Gels etc. But for me,an effective flu combo would be wonderful,cause i have relatively frequent colds, poor knowledge of homeopathy, frequent travels and not so much money to give to my homeopathist -50 euro per visit 
.about my question regarding "rapid alternation", i am aware that it is not "remedy combination", but , i have no idea if this method is effective. What is your opinion on this?
thanks again for your reply
dimitri
Julian Winston wrote:
At 1:26 PM +0530 1/13/05, vijay kumar wrote:
Oh my my!! No, no, no! Read your history! It did NOT spring up AFTER
Powel wrote his "Group Remedy Prescriber." Although the book does
not have a date (the Brits NEVER put publishing dates in their books,
sorry to say) it was published by Health Science Press-- probably in
the 1940s. My copy was the first reprint in 1970. Powell was a
British Naturopath who used Radionics to determine the best remedies.
As far as I know, the first *commercial* combinations were created by
Frederick Humphreys in the early *1850s.* He was kicked out of the
AIH in 1855 for advocating combinations. After that, many companies
offered combinations.
Before THAT, Boenninghausen and Hahnemann, on the advice of Aegidi
experimented with using two remedies at the same time. The practice
was abandoned by all of them prior to the Organon edition of 1833.
To answer Dimitri Rolf, who wrote:
Anything is *possible*. The question is, "does it work?" and the
question from THAT is "how do you know which remedy in the combo
worked?" And THAT brings up all sorts of issues about case management.
Hahnemann spoke *clearly* against the use of combinations, citing the
difficulty of case management and inability to understand exactly
what the combo did-- something that is not a problem with single
remedies.
I have heard of people doing this. In fact, this is not "combining"
but rather rapid alternation. Combining would be giving BOTH remedies
at the same time.
In looking at the above combo:
5 remedies(acon D4, bryon D4,lach D12, eupat perfol D3, phos D5)
Read up on them. See if the symptoms of them would be good for cold and flus.
Aconite, of course, is thought of for sudden onset from exposure to cold.
Bryonia would be a specific kind of "flu" where it hurts upon
movement. There might be chest and respiration sxs with it.
Eup perf is for flus where one feels the pain in their bones.
Phos. has all sorts of cough and chest stuff that *might* relate.
Lach? I'm puzzled by this one. Why is it there?
The answer *might* be that the company that formulated this combo
derived the combination from diagnostics done with a Voll or other
kind of electrical acupuncture machine. That's from where a lot of
the German combo remedies are derived.
Why bother taking such a combo? Most flus have clearly identifiable
symptoms that lead to a single remedy, and many flus and colds have
symptoms that are NOT covered by the above combo-- like Gelsemium,
Ant tart, Baptisia, Ferrum phos, etc.
JW
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thanks for your reply, it was very informative.
About your question: "Why bother taking such a combo? Most flus have clearly identifiable
symptoms that lead to a single remedy, and many flus and colds have
symptoms that are NOT covered by the above combo-- like Gelsemium,
Ant tart, Baptisia, Ferrum phos, etc.", you are right!
i also noticed the lack of Gels etc. But for me,an effective flu combo would be wonderful,cause i have relatively frequent colds, poor knowledge of homeopathy, frequent travels and not so much money to give to my homeopathist -50 euro per visit .about my question regarding "rapid alternation", i am aware that it is not "remedy combination", but , i have no idea if this method is effective. What is your opinion on this?thanks again for your reply
dimitri
Julian Winston wrote:
At 1:26 PM +0530 1/13/05, vijay kumar wrote:
Oh my my!! No, no, no! Read your history! It did NOT spring up AFTER
Powel wrote his "Group Remedy Prescriber." Although the book does
not have a date (the Brits NEVER put publishing dates in their books,
sorry to say) it was published by Health Science Press-- probably in
the 1940s. My copy was the first reprint in 1970. Powell was a
British Naturopath who used Radionics to determine the best remedies.
As far as I know, the first *commercial* combinations were created by
Frederick Humphreys in the early *1850s.* He was kicked out of the
AIH in 1855 for advocating combinations. After that, many companies
offered combinations.
Before THAT, Boenninghausen and Hahnemann, on the advice of Aegidi
experimented with using two remedies at the same time. The practice
was abandoned by all of them prior to the Organon edition of 1833.
To answer Dimitri Rolf, who wrote:
Anything is *possible*. The question is, "does it work?" and the
question from THAT is "how do you know which remedy in the combo
worked?" And THAT brings up all sorts of issues about case management.
Hahnemann spoke *clearly* against the use of combinations, citing the
difficulty of case management and inability to understand exactly
what the combo did-- something that is not a problem with single
remedies.
I have heard of people doing this. In fact, this is not "combining"
but rather rapid alternation. Combining would be giving BOTH remedies
at the same time.
In looking at the above combo:
5 remedies(acon D4, bryon D4,lach D12, eupat perfol D3, phos D5)
Read up on them. See if the symptoms of them would be good for cold and flus.
Aconite, of course, is thought of for sudden onset from exposure to cold.
Bryonia would be a specific kind of "flu" where it hurts upon
movement. There might be chest and respiration sxs with it.
Eup perf is for flus where one feels the pain in their bones.
Phos. has all sorts of cough and chest stuff that *might* relate.
Lach? I'm puzzled by this one. Why is it there?
The answer *might* be that the company that formulated this combo
derived the combination from diagnostics done with a Voll or other
kind of electrical acupuncture machine. That's from where a lot of
the German combo remedies are derived.
Why bother taking such a combo? Most flus have clearly identifiable
symptoms that lead to a single remedy, and many flus and colds have
symptoms that are NOT covered by the above combo-- like Gelsemium,
Ant tart, Baptisia, Ferrum phos, etc.
JW
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Re: remedy mixture
At 1:32 PM -0800 1/16/05, dimitri rolf wrote:
snip
Generally, the remedy changes when the symptom picture changes.
Hahnemann spoke of alternating Bryonia and Rhus tox in some cases.
One of the "well used" products during the last century was
"Boenninghausen Croup Powders"-- a package containing 5 envelopes of
Aconite, Hepar, Spongia, Hepar, and Spongia. They were to be given,
*in that order* when the child came down with croup.
The next remedy was given IF the first had no effect.
The late Dr. Masie Panos gave all her patients with newborns the
first three envelopes. She said that in all her years of practice,
few had ever gone to no. 2, and fewer to no. 3. Seems like the
Aconite cleared it up.
I have heard of some practitioners who change remedies quite
frequently. At the meeting of the NZ Council of Homeopaths last year,
Deborah Collins, MD, spoke of giving a number of remedies to a
patient over the period of an hour as she saw changes in their state
emerging.
I am not sure I would agree with this method, but it seems to work for her...
JW
snip
Generally, the remedy changes when the symptom picture changes.
Hahnemann spoke of alternating Bryonia and Rhus tox in some cases.
One of the "well used" products during the last century was
"Boenninghausen Croup Powders"-- a package containing 5 envelopes of
Aconite, Hepar, Spongia, Hepar, and Spongia. They were to be given,
*in that order* when the child came down with croup.
The next remedy was given IF the first had no effect.
The late Dr. Masie Panos gave all her patients with newborns the
first three envelopes. She said that in all her years of practice,
few had ever gone to no. 2, and fewer to no. 3. Seems like the
Aconite cleared it up.
I have heard of some practitioners who change remedies quite
frequently. At the meeting of the NZ Council of Homeopaths last year,
Deborah Collins, MD, spoke of giving a number of remedies to a
patient over the period of an hour as she saw changes in their state
emerging.
I am not sure I would agree with this method, but it seems to work for her...
JW
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Re: remedy mixture
The method adopted by Deborah Collins, MD works for me too. I give 2 to 3 medicines in 24 hours. In majority of the cases, the results are successful.
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Julian Winston wrote:
At 1:32 PM -0800 1/16/05, dimitri rolf wrote:
snip
Generally, the remedy changes when the symptom picture changes.
Hahnemann spoke of alternating Bryonia and Rhus tox in some cases.
One of the "well used" products during the last century was
"Boenninghausen Croup Powders"-- a package containing 5 envelopes of
Aconite, Hepar, Spongia, Hepar, and Spongia. They were to be given,
*in that order* when the child came down with croup.
The next remedy was given IF the first had no effect.
The late Dr. Masie Panos gave all her patients with newborns the
first three envelopes. She said that in all her years of practice,
few had ever gone to no. 2, and fewer to no. 3. Seems like the
Aconite cleared it up.
I have heard of some practitioners who change remedies quite
frequently. At the meeting of the NZ Council of Homeopaths last year,
Deborah Collins, MD, spoke of giving a number of remedies to a
patient over the period of an hour as she saw changes in their state
emerging.
I am not sure I would agree with this method, but it seems to work for her...
JW
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Julian Winston wrote:
At 1:32 PM -0800 1/16/05, dimitri rolf wrote:
snip
Generally, the remedy changes when the symptom picture changes.
Hahnemann spoke of alternating Bryonia and Rhus tox in some cases.
One of the "well used" products during the last century was
"Boenninghausen Croup Powders"-- a package containing 5 envelopes of
Aconite, Hepar, Spongia, Hepar, and Spongia. They were to be given,
*in that order* when the child came down with croup.
The next remedy was given IF the first had no effect.
The late Dr. Masie Panos gave all her patients with newborns the
first three envelopes. She said that in all her years of practice,
few had ever gone to no. 2, and fewer to no. 3. Seems like the
Aconite cleared it up.
I have heard of some practitioners who change remedies quite
frequently. At the meeting of the NZ Council of Homeopaths last year,
Deborah Collins, MD, spoke of giving a number of remedies to a
patient over the period of an hour as she saw changes in their state
emerging.
I am not sure I would agree with this method, but it seems to work for her...
JW
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thanks Vijay,
i'll try to read about his opinion in this
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Dear Soroush and Julian,
a great thanks for your replies. Both were very clear and for someone like me who has just started with homeopathy, is exactly what i needed.
thanks again,
dimitri
Generally, the remedy changes when the symptom picture changes.
Hahnemann spoke of alternating Bryonia and Rhus tox in some cases.
One of the "well used" products during the last century was
"Boenninghausen Croup Powders"-- a package containing 5 envelopes of
Aconite, Hepar, Spongia, Hepar, and Spongia. They were to be given,
*in that order* when the child came down with croup.
The next remedy was given IF the first had no effect.
The late Dr. Masie Panos gave all her patients with newborns the
first three envelopes. She said that in all her years of practice,
few had ever gone to no. 2, and fewer to no. 3. Seems like the
Aconite cleared it up.
I have heard of some practitioners who change remedies quite
frequently. At the meeting of the NZ Council of Homeopaths last year,
Deborah Collins, MD, spoke of giving a number of remedies to a
patient over the period of an hour as she saw changes in their state
emerging.
I am not sure I would agree with this method, but it seems to work for her...
JW
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a great thanks for your replies. Both were very clear and for someone like me who has just started with homeopathy, is exactly what i needed.
thanks again,
dimitri
Generally, the remedy changes when the symptom picture changes.
Hahnemann spoke of alternating Bryonia and Rhus tox in some cases.
One of the "well used" products during the last century was
"Boenninghausen Croup Powders"-- a package containing 5 envelopes of
Aconite, Hepar, Spongia, Hepar, and Spongia. They were to be given,
*in that order* when the child came down with croup.
The next remedy was given IF the first had no effect.
The late Dr. Masie Panos gave all her patients with newborns the
first three envelopes. She said that in all her years of practice,
few had ever gone to no. 2, and fewer to no. 3. Seems like the
Aconite cleared it up.
I have heard of some practitioners who change remedies quite
frequently. At the meeting of the NZ Council of Homeopaths last year,
Deborah Collins, MD, spoke of giving a number of remedies to a
patient over the period of an hour as she saw changes in their state
emerging.
I am not sure I would agree with this method, but it seems to work for her...
JW
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