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Re: ATTENTION all homeopaths - Very Important- DTAB

Post by muthu kumar »

Rightly spoken Syed like a true homeopath.
May be they should be called unHomeopathic homeopathy medicines ;-)
May be they should call it ABH - Anything But Homeopathy-
do you think this ABH can be sold in Homeo pharmacies or not? How is
it in Pakistan? Do they sell combination remedies - brand items - in
the homeo pharmacies over there? Are they still called homeopathy?

I know in India the situation is very much like that. And contrary to
opinion it is not necessarily just the lay men who practice this way.
There are many experienced 'homeopaths' also who practise this way.
But the point is they do not practice this way for all their cases.
Sometimes they give the minutest dose of the single remedy based on
the totality of symptoms. sometimes they give combo ABH medicines.
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Re: ATTENTION all homeopaths - Very Important- DTAB

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Just a brief note: BBC "Health Matters" on homeopathy will air onthe 6th Sept. You'll be able to hear it from the Internet as well. I have no idea how it will go after they edit the interviews.
Hello All,
now, as a I stick *my neck* out too with a sticky question. But more in the spirit of a student rather than a challenge.

At 28-08-04 Saturday, Syed wrote:
...They must not be branded and sold as 'homoeopathic remedies'.

With all due respect to Dr. Syed,
I'm looking for a clarification on the definition of "homeopathic medicine".

While I can easily understand that combos are not "homeopathic" in the sense that they have not been *prescribed* homeopathically on the laws of simplex, similia, potency, etc. I still would like to hear a clear (and unemotional) answer as to why they are not "homeopathic medicines".

That is when I read the pharmacopoeia there is clear definition as to how a homeo remedy is prepared & potentised. There is also usually an "authority" on each medicine of when and who discovered or used it first.

But there is nothing enjoined on how to dispense it.

So it seems to me that a substance can be prepared "homeopathically" (eg look at bio-chemics) and therefore be classified as a "homeopathic medicine" no matter how it is employed?
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It reminds me of Shakespeare when he says that rose may be given any name its fragrance shall remain unchanged.
I will once again repeat what I stated in my last mail. "If majority of the people start telling lies, 'truth' shall never
become 'untrue".

Syed Mohsin Rizvi, Pakistan.

hahnemannian2002 wrote:
Rightly spoken Syed like a true homeopath.
May be they should be called unHomeopathic homeopathy medicines ;-)
May be they should call it ABH - Anything But Homeopathy-
do you think this ABH can be sold in Homeo pharmacies or not? How is
it in Pakistan? Do they sell combination remedies - brand items - in
the homeo pharmacies over there? Are they still called homeopathy?

I know in India the situation is very much like that. And contrary to
opinion it is not necessarily just the lay men who practice this way.
There are many experienced 'homeopaths' also who practise this way.
But the point is they do not practice this way for all their cases.
Sometimes they give the minutest dose of the single remedy based on
the totality of symptoms. sometimes they give combo ABH medicines.
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, Homoeopathic Help Line
wrote:
COMBOS can be any thing, may be very effective, but are
not 'homoeopathic remedies'.
become 'untrue'.
me
and
is
in
of
seeing
homeopath
+
one
same
way
a
get

only
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Re: ATTENTION all homeopaths - Very Important- DTAB

Post by Rosemary C Hyde PhD »

Hi, Didi.

Very nicely phrased and important question: "So it seems to me that a substance can be prepared "homeopathically" (eg look at bio-chemics) and therefore be classified as a "homeopathic medicine" no matter how it is employed?"

Actually, I suspect the most accurate answer to the question parallels Hahnemann's stipulation in the Organon that the physician must know both what is to be cured in the patient and the curative nature of potentized substances (obviously not a direct quote).

Substances can be "prepared homeopathically" -- e.g. potentized through dilution and succussion. This is one side of the equation.

For the healing interaction of the potentized substance and the patient to be "homeopathic," the substance must also have been chosen according to the principles of homeopathic cure.

Herein lies the "rub" for most combination remedies. There is no research on what they can cause in healthy individuals, as a combination, and therefore no possibility of selecting them homeopathically. So essentially, they are homeopathically prepared substances that people use generally in a palliative way (i.e. suppressing symptoms temporarily rather than attempting to cure based on a totality.)

Interestingly, this doesn't mean that combination remedies have no potential truly homeopathic use. I would personally classify Causticum or Hepar sulph as "combinations" that have received true homeopathic provings and have a track record of homeopathic clinical use, as substances in their own right. Witness, for instance, the differences between Calc-s and Hep-s, which started out as the same two substances combined under different circumstances.

Hope that helps a bit.

Rosemary


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Sure at the same time there are so many "synthetic remedies" which
had no proving and are used only because their action is assumed
based on periodic table; or meditative provings;So many remedies were
introduced based on clinical usage. If a particular combination in
clinical usage is proven useful can this be taken as a clinical
proving and still be used till proper "hepar sulph" like proving is
available. There are so many remedies that are used in modern age
homeopathy that have not gone thru strict Hahnemannian proving or the
usage is based not on the actual symptom produced but on the implied
reason behind the symptom ( delusion or whatever) or metaphoric.

What do we do with this?

Once again I am not advising out-right combinations. I am just saying
that there are uses for combinations at a low level at least. What is
the mistake in a patient taking a homeo combination instead of
Ayurveda medicines ( which are mostly combinations) or any other
modality or taking an over the counter allopathic medicine. Why
should we proscribe that?
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that a substance can be prepared "homeopathically" (eg look at bio-
chemics) and therefore be classified as a "homeopathic medicine" no
matter how it is employed?"
parallels Hahnemann's stipulation in the Organon that the physician
must know both what is to be cured in the patient and the curative
nature of potentized substances (obviously not a direct quote).
through dilution and succussion. This is one side of the equation.
patient to be "homeopathic," the substance must also have been chosen
according to the principles of homeopathic cure.
research on what they can cause in healthy individuals, as a
combination, and therefore no possibility of selecting them
homeopathically. So essentially, they are homeopathically prepared
substances that people use generally in a palliative way (i.e.
suppressing symptoms temporarily rather than attempting to cure based
on a totality.)
potential truly homeopathic use. I would personally classify
Causticum or Hepar sulph as "combinations" that have received true
homeopathic provings and have a track record of homeopathic clinical
use, as substances in their own right. Witness, for instance, the
differences between Calc-s and Hep-s, which started out as the same
two substances combined under different circumstances.
DTAB
onthe 6th Sept. You'll be able to hear it from the Internet as well.
I have no idea how it will go after they edit the interviews.
more in the spirit of a student rather than a challenge.
medicine".
in the sense that they have not been *prescribed* homeopathically on
the laws of simplex, similia, potency, etc. I still would like to
hear a clear (and unemotional) answer as to why they are
not "homeopathic medicines".
as to how a homeo remedy is prepared & potentised. There is also
usually an "authority" on each medicine of when and who discovered or
used it first.
prepared "homeopathically" (eg look at bio-chemics) and therefore be
classified as a "homeopathic medicine" no matter how it is employed?
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Kannan A
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Dear Patricia Hatherly,

Thank you for telling us about the report, I will get
the report from the website you had mentioned & try to
workout something similar in India.

rega
Dr.A.Kannan MD(Hom)

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Kannan A
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Post by Kannan A »

What ever explanation be given, Combinations does not
become homeopathy. If anyone wants to make
combination, let it not come with a homeopathic label.

In India we don't want these to be tought in textbooks
of colleges to the new generation.
Hahnemann would not have coined the term "Mongrel
Sect" but for few who tried adopt such mixopathy
(mixing of medicine) even those days.

If they don't have the patience to select the
similimum, they should not feel hurt if hahnemann
calls them Mangrel sect.

So when it is clear that these combinations are not
related to homeopathy, Big manufacturing units with
there money power should not try to misuse the name of
homeopathy & fool the ailing sick.
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Can anyone show me an authetic literature in
homeopathy were Hahnemann has mentioned the use of
Combinations.

If it is not mentioned anywhere in homeopathic
literature, how can anyone claim it is homeopathy. let
them label it as Mixopathy & manufacture there drugs.

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Kannan A
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Re: ATTENTION all homeopaths - Very Important- DTAB

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I agree with syed. there were no regulation to
regulate the sale of ABH medicines so even pharmacies
termed homeopathic sold them. Now when there is a move
in the part of the Govt. to regulate these practice,
it becomes the duty of every homeopath to protect his
system from being adultrated.
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Christine Wyndham-Thomas
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Re: ATTENTION all homeopaths - Very Important- DTAB

Post by Christine Wyndham-Thomas »

Of course it's Mixopathy, and what amazes me is how anybody who's serious
about homeopathy can accept them. Even if we acept the argument that had
Hahnemann lived he may himself have used them, the fact remains he would
have experimented with them on himself and volunteers initially He would
have made meticulous notes that other homeopaths could refer to, and he
would have fully explained in the Organon why their use was important. But,
of course, we've got none of that have we.

Where are the provings done on HEALTHY people to determine their symptoms so
that such combos can be matched to clients exhibiting the same symptoms? Or
are ILL and unsuspecting clients the experimental guinea-pigs? These
combos are based on 'the assumption of what such symptoms may be', not on
actually knowing, and that in itself should make the true and serious
homeopath skeptical about their efficacy.

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