Interesting that Calc and Sulph are listed - Calc so stubborn and Sulphur
just hoards stuff.
Joy
www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
on 25/8/04 3:06 PM, rochelle at rochelle@ntlworld.com wrote:
RU, Mind; anxiety; hypochondriacal; mania to read medical books: (see
MIRILLI'S THEMES; P; disease:), calc[3](30), nux-v[2](30), puls[2](30),
staph[1](30), sulph[1](30)
Hope this is helpful
Rochelle
www.rochellemarsden.co.uk
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Hyperparathyroid
Re: Hyperparathyroid
As I see it, small amounts encourage the leaching out but large amounts seem
to find a balance but in the long term this is/could be exacerbating the
overall dysfunctioning parathyroids.
I would encourage you to learn as much as possible about the condition, not
so you can choose the characteristic sx - her whole case will you give you
those - but more so that it is knowledge about how specific organs work. I
personally think we have a duty to know as much about pathology as possible.
Inevitably the simillimum will have an affinity to the parathyroid glands
(assuming this is truly what is dysfunctional) but must also cover all
aspects of what needs to be cured.
Maybe, if you can be objective enough, try taking the case without any
reference to disease names and see what evolves. For example the
'collecting' issues - how do you sort this out? Is it the subject matter,
i.e. 'health'; is it the hoarding and all that it entails; is it the
sorting; is it a designed distraction from other things, is there some
confusion which she is trying to resolve; etc etc. You need to know the
driving force behind this. Certainly my clients both had a painful anxiety
about their health that drove them to utter despair at times and just like
when the thyroid gland is hyperactive a similar kind of
nervousness/irritability and anxiety emerges. So I think you might find that
it is linked but it is only relevant here because she is showing this as a
symptom. But she will have her own personal and individual/characteristic
explanation of this.
I would definitely include the sx of the scoliosis, even though it is common
in hyperparathyroidism - lots of joint problems are common as are Marfan
like appearances, but within these 'common to the disease sx' you will find
her own characteristic ones. Do you see what I mean by this?
Try and take the case as objectively as possible and remember - location,
sensation, extension, causation and modalities for each presenting sx and
try to block out all preconceptions.
If, as part of your studying, you are gathering together remedies that have
an affinity to the parathyroid glands I would include O A Julian's
parathyroid hormone.
Best wishes, Joy
www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
on 25/8/04 2:54 PM, Bob&Shannon at shannonnelson@tds.net wrote:
Oops, I hope I didn't say that her cramps subsided when she took Vitamin D
-- that had no effect whatever on them, tho she has been taking Vitamin D
for many years and her blood levels of that are normal. But when she takes
2,000 mg daily of *calcium* she has no cramps, altho small amounts aggravate
the cramps. I am trying to understand that part...
Another question -- do I need to be familiar with anything about
hyperparathyroidism in order to choose my characterizing symptoms? I
realize there are sort of "two schools of thought" re casetaking, with some
folks saying you can forget diagnosis, just go with the symptom picture; and
others saying that symptoms which are common to the disease are not so
useful for prescribing. And others saying that symptoms "of the disease"
are the only ones we should prescribe on at all, sigh... I would try that
approach if I could recognize a characterizing picture within the disease
symptoms (aka basis for choosing a remedy!).
A specific example: One of her presently huge symptoms is a sort of
obsessiveness about certain things (and there are other ars-like aspects
too, but ars does not seem to have helped so far) -- she subscribes to (gag)
about 20 health newsletters, and also gets *enormous* quantities of
advertising and catalogues, such that (according to her) a huge proportion
of her time goes to dealing with it (sorting, bagging, and reading some of
the advertising and catalogs). She does not have time to actually *read*
much of it (to the point that social calls have become a harrassment,
instead of the pleasure she used to take in them), so we've begged her to
unsubscribe from most of the newsletters and request to be taken off most of
the mailing lists, but she flatly, adamantly and sometimes furiously
refuses. I'm being told (or at least it's being suggested/implied?) that
this could be part of the hyparparathyroid/ hyhpercalcemia symptom picture,
tho I haven't read this anywhere. Do you know? Have either of your
patients had any similar symptoms?
She is also I would say full of "fixed ideas".
She has extreme scoliosis -- but since this is (at least mostly?) from the
spinal effects of the osteoporosis, maybe this isn't a prescribing symptom
either?
Thankyou!
Shannon
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to find a balance but in the long term this is/could be exacerbating the
overall dysfunctioning parathyroids.
I would encourage you to learn as much as possible about the condition, not
so you can choose the characteristic sx - her whole case will you give you
those - but more so that it is knowledge about how specific organs work. I
personally think we have a duty to know as much about pathology as possible.
Inevitably the simillimum will have an affinity to the parathyroid glands
(assuming this is truly what is dysfunctional) but must also cover all
aspects of what needs to be cured.
Maybe, if you can be objective enough, try taking the case without any
reference to disease names and see what evolves. For example the
'collecting' issues - how do you sort this out? Is it the subject matter,
i.e. 'health'; is it the hoarding and all that it entails; is it the
sorting; is it a designed distraction from other things, is there some
confusion which she is trying to resolve; etc etc. You need to know the
driving force behind this. Certainly my clients both had a painful anxiety
about their health that drove them to utter despair at times and just like
when the thyroid gland is hyperactive a similar kind of
nervousness/irritability and anxiety emerges. So I think you might find that
it is linked but it is only relevant here because she is showing this as a
symptom. But she will have her own personal and individual/characteristic
explanation of this.
I would definitely include the sx of the scoliosis, even though it is common
in hyperparathyroidism - lots of joint problems are common as are Marfan
like appearances, but within these 'common to the disease sx' you will find
her own characteristic ones. Do you see what I mean by this?
Try and take the case as objectively as possible and remember - location,
sensation, extension, causation and modalities for each presenting sx and
try to block out all preconceptions.
If, as part of your studying, you are gathering together remedies that have
an affinity to the parathyroid glands I would include O A Julian's
parathyroid hormone.
Best wishes, Joy
www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
on 25/8/04 2:54 PM, Bob&Shannon at shannonnelson@tds.net wrote:
Oops, I hope I didn't say that her cramps subsided when she took Vitamin D
-- that had no effect whatever on them, tho she has been taking Vitamin D
for many years and her blood levels of that are normal. But when she takes
2,000 mg daily of *calcium* she has no cramps, altho small amounts aggravate
the cramps. I am trying to understand that part...
Another question -- do I need to be familiar with anything about
hyperparathyroidism in order to choose my characterizing symptoms? I
realize there are sort of "two schools of thought" re casetaking, with some
folks saying you can forget diagnosis, just go with the symptom picture; and
others saying that symptoms which are common to the disease are not so
useful for prescribing. And others saying that symptoms "of the disease"
are the only ones we should prescribe on at all, sigh... I would try that
approach if I could recognize a characterizing picture within the disease
symptoms (aka basis for choosing a remedy!).
A specific example: One of her presently huge symptoms is a sort of
obsessiveness about certain things (and there are other ars-like aspects
too, but ars does not seem to have helped so far) -- she subscribes to (gag)
about 20 health newsletters, and also gets *enormous* quantities of
advertising and catalogues, such that (according to her) a huge proportion
of her time goes to dealing with it (sorting, bagging, and reading some of
the advertising and catalogs). She does not have time to actually *read*
much of it (to the point that social calls have become a harrassment,
instead of the pleasure she used to take in them), so we've begged her to
unsubscribe from most of the newsletters and request to be taken off most of
the mailing lists, but she flatly, adamantly and sometimes furiously
refuses. I'm being told (or at least it's being suggested/implied?) that
this could be part of the hyparparathyroid/ hyhpercalcemia symptom picture,
tho I haven't read this anywhere. Do you know? Have either of your
patients had any similar symptoms?
She is also I would say full of "fixed ideas".
She has extreme scoliosis -- but since this is (at least mostly?) from the
spinal effects of the osteoporosis, maybe this isn't a prescribing symptom
either?
Thankyou!
Shannon
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Re: Hyperparathyroid
Yes, I was charmed by that rubric! 
We've already used (based on various indications) calc, nux and sulph; and
staph is a ***very*** interesting possibility (she expresses *so* much
indignation over what suddenly strike me as very staph-related issues!)
Hmmmm, I think I didn't give staph the thought that I ought to, so thanks
for this!
Shannon
on 8/25/04 9:06 AM, rochelle at rochelle@ntlworld.com wrote:
We've already used (based on various indications) calc, nux and sulph; and
staph is a ***very*** interesting possibility (she expresses *so* much
indignation over what suddenly strike me as very staph-related issues!)
Hmmmm, I think I didn't give staph the thought that I ought to, so thanks
for this!
Shannon
on 8/25/04 9:06 AM, rochelle at rochelle@ntlworld.com wrote:
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Re: Hyperparathyroid
She's got a *LOT* of sulphur qualities, but it has never seemed to act.
Calc acted extremely well for a time, then stopped.
(It's quite possible that the "right" remedy has been used but posology has
been the problem. We've been using low potencies, mostly in liquid.)
on 8/25/04 9:30 AM, J Lucas at j.lucas@ntlworld.com wrote:
Calc acted extremely well for a time, then stopped.
(It's quite possible that the "right" remedy has been used but posology has
been the problem. We've been using low potencies, mostly in liquid.)
on 8/25/04 9:30 AM, J Lucas at j.lucas@ntlworld.com wrote:
Re: Hyperparathyroid
With that age group I would also be using low potencies as a water potency!!
Rochelle
www.rochellemarsden.co.uk
Rochelle
www.rochellemarsden.co.uk
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Re: Hyperparathyroid
I recall a case where this was the chief complaint- It was also in an
elderly lady
I gave calc-phos 6x tds which cured
I chose the remedy based on my perception of her 'character' - I was
into the scholtenesque minerals approach at the time
I later found calc-phos as the only remedy for this Sx in the repertory
somewhere- no I can't remember and I'm not going to look it up
regards
Simon King LCPH MARH
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elderly lady
I gave calc-phos 6x tds which cured
I chose the remedy based on my perception of her 'character' - I was
into the scholtenesque minerals approach at the time
I later found calc-phos as the only remedy for this Sx in the repertory
somewhere- no I can't remember and I'm not going to look it up
regards
Simon King LCPH MARH
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Re: Hyperparathyroid
Dear Joy,
I just wanted to say how thoughtful and useful I thought your mailing
was. At its best this site contains inspirational wisdom and your
posting was one of those! I am not a homeopath but this is very much my
approach to a case, including similar cases to the one being described.
Thank you,
Angela
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Director
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I just wanted to say how thoughtful and useful I thought your mailing
was. At its best this site contains inspirational wisdom and your
posting was one of those! I am not a homeopath but this is very much my
approach to a case, including similar cases to the one being described.
Thank you,
Angela
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Re: Hyperparathyroid
There was an article long ago in the SOH Journal when it was still A5,
(it'll be in referenceworks for those with the time)
in which a successful prescription was given of calc-sulph in a case
with both calc and sulph characteristics.
Might be of interest
regards
Simon King LCPH MARH
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(it'll be in referenceworks for those with the time)
in which a successful prescription was given of calc-sulph in a case
with both calc and sulph characteristics.
Might be of interest
regards
Simon King LCPH MARH
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Re: Hyperparathyroid
Hi Shannon,
A couple of analyses fwiw in case helpful:
refworks F search
(rem means same remedy as)
(sen means same sentence as)
Anxiety [sen] health
same [rem]
parathyroid/neck/gland
same [rem]
cramp [sen] calf [sen] night/bed/sleep
same [rem]
(spine/back [sen] curvature/deformation)/scoliosis/kyphosis:
arg.149, arg-n.36, ars.8, 2bell.8, bry.8, 3Calc.8, caust.8, cocc.8,
crot-h.8, hep.8, ign.8, kali-c.8, lach.8, 2lyc.36, med.8, merc.8,
2nat-c.8, nit-ac.8, nux-v.8, sep.8, 2sil.8, 2staph.8, sulph.8
Another view:
Complete 2000
MIND; AVARICE (38) : alum., ARS., bar-c., bry., calc., calc-f.,
carb-an., carb-v., carc., caust., cina, coloc., con., dulc., graph.,
hep., hyos., lach., lap-mar-c., lyc., med., meli., merc., nat-c.,
nat-m., nit-ac., nux-v., petr., ph-ac., phos., plat., Puls., rheum,
sep., Sil., stann., staph., sulph.
BACK; CURVATURE of spine; general (63) : acon., aesc., agar., am-c.,
ant-c., asaf., aur., bac., bar-c., bar-m., bell., bry., bufo, Calc.,
Calc-f., calc-hp., calc-i., calc-p., Calc-s., carb-v., carbn-s.,
caust., cic., clem., coloc., con., dros., dulc., ferr., ferr-i., get.,
graph., hep., iod., ip., lach., lyc., mang., merc., Merc-c., mez.,
nat-m., nit-ac., op., petr., Ph-ac., phos., plb., psor., Puls., rhod.,
Rhus-t., ruta, sabin., sep., Sil., staph., Sulph., syph., tarent.,
ther., thuj., tub.
EXTREMITIES; CRAMPS; lower limbs; legs; calves; bed, in (23) : allox.,
androc., ars., bov., Calc., Carbn-s., caust., eupi., ferr., ferr-m.,
graph., hep., ign., kali-c., lac-ac., lachn., mag-c., nux-v., phys.,
Rhus-t., sep., sil., Sulph.
Elimination: Calc., caust., graph., hep., sep., Sil., Sulph.
Once heard a biodynamic farming lecture re: the polarities of various
elements as they relate to agriculture. Calcium(fruiting and soft
tissue) and Silica (fiber and structural rigidity) are endmembers on a
polar continuum, according to Steinerian folks. This seems to have
been well verified by the BD farmers in empiric experience.
If Calc rx have been tried or eliminated for other reasons in this
case, then Silica or a silica compound (eg calc-sil, with both end
members in same rx) may be an avenue to investigate. She has a bit of
the stinginess of Sil (ars); and some of the vehemence on being
challenged. The calf cramps at night and the spinal curvature are in
there for Sil.
Silica has a marked effect on Cervical glands of several types and
glands in general, usually inflammation, but other derangements
certainly not ruled out.
Maybe you already looked at Sil, if so, please forgive me. I am
jumping in at a late point.
Also, as Joy pointed out, Parathyroid hormone; or (Parathyroid gland
in about 4C potency) could be considered as possible intercurrents or
starting points also.
Best to all,
Andy
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A couple of analyses fwiw in case helpful:
refworks F search
(rem means same remedy as)
(sen means same sentence as)
Anxiety [sen] health
same [rem]
parathyroid/neck/gland
same [rem]
cramp [sen] calf [sen] night/bed/sleep
same [rem]
(spine/back [sen] curvature/deformation)/scoliosis/kyphosis:
arg.149, arg-n.36, ars.8, 2bell.8, bry.8, 3Calc.8, caust.8, cocc.8,
crot-h.8, hep.8, ign.8, kali-c.8, lach.8, 2lyc.36, med.8, merc.8,
2nat-c.8, nit-ac.8, nux-v.8, sep.8, 2sil.8, 2staph.8, sulph.8
Another view:
Complete 2000
MIND; AVARICE (38) : alum., ARS., bar-c., bry., calc., calc-f.,
carb-an., carb-v., carc., caust., cina, coloc., con., dulc., graph.,
hep., hyos., lach., lap-mar-c., lyc., med., meli., merc., nat-c.,
nat-m., nit-ac., nux-v., petr., ph-ac., phos., plat., Puls., rheum,
sep., Sil., stann., staph., sulph.
BACK; CURVATURE of spine; general (63) : acon., aesc., agar., am-c.,
ant-c., asaf., aur., bac., bar-c., bar-m., bell., bry., bufo, Calc.,
Calc-f., calc-hp., calc-i., calc-p., Calc-s., carb-v., carbn-s.,
caust., cic., clem., coloc., con., dros., dulc., ferr., ferr-i., get.,
graph., hep., iod., ip., lach., lyc., mang., merc., Merc-c., mez.,
nat-m., nit-ac., op., petr., Ph-ac., phos., plb., psor., Puls., rhod.,
Rhus-t., ruta, sabin., sep., Sil., staph., Sulph., syph., tarent.,
ther., thuj., tub.
EXTREMITIES; CRAMPS; lower limbs; legs; calves; bed, in (23) : allox.,
androc., ars., bov., Calc., Carbn-s., caust., eupi., ferr., ferr-m.,
graph., hep., ign., kali-c., lac-ac., lachn., mag-c., nux-v., phys.,
Rhus-t., sep., sil., Sulph.
Elimination: Calc., caust., graph., hep., sep., Sil., Sulph.
Once heard a biodynamic farming lecture re: the polarities of various
elements as they relate to agriculture. Calcium(fruiting and soft
tissue) and Silica (fiber and structural rigidity) are endmembers on a
polar continuum, according to Steinerian folks. This seems to have
been well verified by the BD farmers in empiric experience.
If Calc rx have been tried or eliminated for other reasons in this
case, then Silica or a silica compound (eg calc-sil, with both end
members in same rx) may be an avenue to investigate. She has a bit of
the stinginess of Sil (ars); and some of the vehemence on being
challenged. The calf cramps at night and the spinal curvature are in
there for Sil.
Silica has a marked effect on Cervical glands of several types and
glands in general, usually inflammation, but other derangements
certainly not ruled out.
Maybe you already looked at Sil, if so, please forgive me. I am
jumping in at a late point.
Also, as Joy pointed out, Parathyroid hormone; or (Parathyroid gland
in about 4C potency) could be considered as possible intercurrents or
starting points also.
Best to all,
Andy
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Re: Hyperparathyroid
You mean further diluted rather than just from the bottle of liquid? She
has had no problem with any of her doses, wet or dry -- and very good
response to a few remedies (particularly sepia, which has had a longlasting
benefit on the M/E level). Because she finds it a big deal to add anything
to her routine, and to remember/get around to it, I have found it urgently
important not to complicate anything beyond what I have to! I ***WISH*** I
could use high potencies on her and just get by the need for frequent
repetition, but clearly that would not be a good plan, sigh... Usually,
tho, she only needs to repeat about twice weekly in order to keep up
improvement.
I have wondered whether some of the remedies might simply need longer time
and/or more aggressive dosing to do their work, but haven't felt the
confidence I would want in order to ramp up dosing past what is *clearly*
appropriate. ???
on 8/25/04 2:32 PM, rochelle at rochelle@ntlworld.com wrote:
has had no problem with any of her doses, wet or dry -- and very good
response to a few remedies (particularly sepia, which has had a longlasting
benefit on the M/E level). Because she finds it a big deal to add anything
to her routine, and to remember/get around to it, I have found it urgently
important not to complicate anything beyond what I have to! I ***WISH*** I
could use high potencies on her and just get by the need for frequent
repetition, but clearly that would not be a good plan, sigh... Usually,
tho, she only needs to repeat about twice weekly in order to keep up
improvement.
I have wondered whether some of the remedies might simply need longer time
and/or more aggressive dosing to do their work, but haven't felt the
confidence I would want in order to ramp up dosing past what is *clearly*
appropriate. ???
on 8/25/04 2:32 PM, rochelle at rochelle@ntlworld.com wrote: