Or at least that is what this 5 yr old mum calls it!! Ever since birth she has had period of time when her tongue gets patches where it is red, without the surface layer on . It isn't cracked, it doesn't bleed and causes discomfit to the child when she eats or drinks anything sour. Other than that she seems a healthy child and I am finding difficulty coming up with a constitutional rx.
During Mum's pregnancy with her all sorts went wrong. She became diabetic and had to go on insulin., She was very stressed as her father was diagnosed as having cancer and although she returned from abroad and lived with her parents he died a month before the birth. She said that staying at her parents was very stressful because her mother blamed everything on her and she had never been able to answer back to her mother (Staph?). During a routine scan it was noticed that this child had an enlarged kidney and for the first 6 months of her life was on a low dose antibiotic. When born - forceps - this child had a feeding tube for 24 hours as they wanted to check the child's blood sugar contantly because of the insulin Mum had been on. The child was breast fed for 6 months . She was also given a cream to make the entrance to the urethra larger although she did appear to pass urine OK.
Milestones - late, no teeth until 14 months, walked at 14 months, talked a lot later. There appeared to be a time when she stopped trying to talking a move when she was about 18 months.
She has a opaque white round spot in her sclera which goes a little into the iris. It is being monitored.
No fears, loves animals and bugs crawling on her. Has to have company , even if it is an animal. Initially shy and then fine. She didn't appear to be able to cope with the normal educational toys I have for children of her age. Doesn't read yet but seemed to know her alphabet. She could write her name. Mum doesn't think her concentration or memory is that good. Is a very loyal friend- walks away if her younger sister fights with her. Very sensitive inthat she gets upset if in trouble and wants to be helpful and a good girl. Loves climbing and is a dare devil.. No temper- doesn't flare up- can be whingy.
The last 2 years at change of season- mum was vague about when , but possibly autumn , she has got a night cough and panicked about it. Mum thinks the panic was because she was hospitalised twice when she was 1 or 2 for croup.
Her stool has habitually been sheep droppings type but of late more diarrhoea.
Basically she seems one healthy looking child to me - with red lips.
Has anyone come across a tongue like this before. It has been suggested to me that she may need extra vitamins of Magnesium and zinc. There is only one remedy I can find for a denuded tongue but I am not sure if this is what it is.
Regards
Rochelle
www.rochellemarsden.co.uk
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case of the geographic tongue
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Rosemary C Hyde PhD
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Re: case of the geographic tongue
"Mapped tongue" is the ribric for this. Hope this helps. Rosemary
MOUTH - MAPPED tongue
agar.b2.de,bg2,vk1 alum.b2.de,bg2,vk1 am-m.b2.de,bg2,vk1 ant-c.k,vk1 ant-t.b2.de,bg2,vk1 Ars.b2.de,bg2,k,mtf33,tl1,vk1 BAC.al2,bn borx.b2.de,bg2,vk1 calc.b2.de,bg2,vk1 carb-v.b2.de,bg2,vk1 cham.k,vk1 colch.b2.de,bg2,vk1 crot-h.vk1 cupr.b2.de,bg2,vk1 dulc.bg3,ptk1 Gins.lp Graph.b2.de,bg2,mtf33,vk1 hydr.bg2,ptk1,vk1 Kali-bi.bg2,k,lp,vk1 kali-chl.bg3 kali-i.bg2,vk1 kali-m.bg3,c1,k2 lac-c.bg2,vk1 Lach.b2.de,bg2,hr1,k,mtf33,vk1 lil-t.bg1,bg2,vk1 lyc.b2.de,bg2,k,vk1 manc.bg2,lp,vk1 med.bg2,vk1 merc.b2.de,bg2,bro1,c2,k,mtf33,vk1 Merc-c.bg2,ptk1,vk1 mur-ac.b2.de,bg2,vk1 Nat-m.b2.de,bg2,hr1,k,mtf33,tl1,vk1 nit-ac.b2.de,bg2,k,vk1 ox-ac.bg2,bro1,vk1 pert-vc.vk9 Phos.b2.de,bg2,mtf33,vk1 phyt.bg2,bro1,vk1 pitu-a.vml2 ran-b.tl1 Ran-s.bg2,c2,hr1,k,tl1,vk1 Rhus-t.b2.de,bg2,k,tl1,vk1 sep.bg3,lmj,ptk1,sne sul-ac.b2.de,bg2,k,vk1 sulph.b2.de,bg2,vk1 syph.mtf11,ptk1 tab.bg2,vk1 TARAX.b2.de,bg2,br1,c2,hr1,k,mrr1,tl1,vk1 Ter.k,vk1 thuj.b2.de,bg2,k,vk1 tub.mtf11,mtf33,ptk1,ser,st
MOUTH - MAPPED tongue
agar.b2.de,bg2,vk1 alum.b2.de,bg2,vk1 am-m.b2.de,bg2,vk1 ant-c.k,vk1 ant-t.b2.de,bg2,vk1 Ars.b2.de,bg2,k,mtf33,tl1,vk1 BAC.al2,bn borx.b2.de,bg2,vk1 calc.b2.de,bg2,vk1 carb-v.b2.de,bg2,vk1 cham.k,vk1 colch.b2.de,bg2,vk1 crot-h.vk1 cupr.b2.de,bg2,vk1 dulc.bg3,ptk1 Gins.lp Graph.b2.de,bg2,mtf33,vk1 hydr.bg2,ptk1,vk1 Kali-bi.bg2,k,lp,vk1 kali-chl.bg3 kali-i.bg2,vk1 kali-m.bg3,c1,k2 lac-c.bg2,vk1 Lach.b2.de,bg2,hr1,k,mtf33,vk1 lil-t.bg1,bg2,vk1 lyc.b2.de,bg2,k,vk1 manc.bg2,lp,vk1 med.bg2,vk1 merc.b2.de,bg2,bro1,c2,k,mtf33,vk1 Merc-c.bg2,ptk1,vk1 mur-ac.b2.de,bg2,vk1 Nat-m.b2.de,bg2,hr1,k,mtf33,tl1,vk1 nit-ac.b2.de,bg2,k,vk1 ox-ac.bg2,bro1,vk1 pert-vc.vk9 Phos.b2.de,bg2,mtf33,vk1 phyt.bg2,bro1,vk1 pitu-a.vml2 ran-b.tl1 Ran-s.bg2,c2,hr1,k,tl1,vk1 Rhus-t.b2.de,bg2,k,tl1,vk1 sep.bg3,lmj,ptk1,sne sul-ac.b2.de,bg2,k,vk1 sulph.b2.de,bg2,vk1 syph.mtf11,ptk1 tab.bg2,vk1 TARAX.b2.de,bg2,br1,c2,hr1,k,mrr1,tl1,vk1 Ter.k,vk1 thuj.b2.de,bg2,k,vk1 tub.mtf11,mtf33,ptk1,ser,st
Re: case of the geographic tongue
Yes I did know this rubric but there are sooo many Rx . The interesting ones I found were
Murphy, Tongue; DENUDED, spots, ran-s[1]
RU, Mouth; denuded tongue, in spots: (see excoriation; general; tongue:), hell[2], ran-s[1], spig[1], tarax[2] and I wondered if these were relevant!!
Rochelle
www.rochellemarsden.co.uk
Murphy, Tongue; DENUDED, spots, ran-s[1]
RU, Mouth; denuded tongue, in spots: (see excoriation; general; tongue:), hell[2], ran-s[1], spig[1], tarax[2] and I wondered if these were relevant!!
Rochelle
www.rochellemarsden.co.uk
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Alva Irish
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Re: case of the geographic tongue
Wouldn't this be Glossitis. I would also put some emphasis on her slowish
learning abilities.
The B vitamin group contribute a lot to the state of one's tongue. What is
her diet like?
Best, Joy
www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
on 11/8/04 4:51 PM, rochelle at rochelle@ntlworld.com wrote:
Or at least that is what this 5 yr old mum calls it!! Ever since birth she
has had period of time when her tongue gets patches where it is red, without
the surface layer on . It isn't cracked, it doesn't bleed and causes
discomfit to the child when she eats or drinks anything sour. Other than
that she seems a healthy child and I am finding difficulty coming up with a
constitutional rx.
During Mum's pregnancy with her all sorts went wrong. She became diabetic
and had to go on insulin., She was very stressed as her father was
diagnosed as having cancer and although she returned from abroad and lived
with her parents he died a month before the birth. She said that staying at
her parents was very stressful because her mother blamed everything on her
and she had never been able to answer back to her mother (Staph?). During a
routine scan it was noticed that this child had an enlarged kidney and for
the first 6 months of her life was on a low dose antibiotic. When born -
forceps - this child had a feeding tube for 24 hours as they wanted to check
the child's blood sugar contantly because of the insulin Mum had been on.
The child was breast fed for 6 months . She was also given a cream to make
the entrance to the urethra larger although she did appear to pass urine OK.
Milestones - late, no teeth until 14 months, walked at 14 months, talked a
lot later. There appeared to be a time when she stopped trying to talking a
move when she was about 18 months.
She has a opaque white round spot in her sclera which goes a little into the
iris. It is being monitored.
No fears, loves animals and bugs crawling on her. Has to have company , even
if it is an animal. Initially shy and then fine. She didn't appear to be
able to cope with the normal educational toys I have for children of her
age. Doesn't read yet but seemed to know her alphabet. She could write her
name. Mum doesn't think her concentration or memory is that good. Is a very
loyal friend- walks away if her younger sister fights with her. Very
sensitive inthat she gets upset if in trouble and wants to be helpful and a
good girl. Loves climbing and is a dare devil.. No temper- doesn't flare up-
can be whingy.
The last 2 years at change of season- mum was vague about when , but
possibly autumn , she has got a night cough and panicked about it. Mum
thinks the panic was because she was hospitalised twice when she was 1 or 2
for croup.
Her stool has habitually been sheep droppings type but of late more
diarrhoea.
Basically she seems one healthy looking child to me - with red lips.
Has anyone come across a tongue like this before. It has been suggested to
me that she may need extra vitamins of Magnesium and zinc. There is only
one remedy I can find for a denuded tongue but I am not sure if this is what
it is.
Regards
Rochelle
www.rochellemarsden.co.uk
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learning abilities.
The B vitamin group contribute a lot to the state of one's tongue. What is
her diet like?
Best, Joy
www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
on 11/8/04 4:51 PM, rochelle at rochelle@ntlworld.com wrote:
Or at least that is what this 5 yr old mum calls it!! Ever since birth she
has had period of time when her tongue gets patches where it is red, without
the surface layer on . It isn't cracked, it doesn't bleed and causes
discomfit to the child when she eats or drinks anything sour. Other than
that she seems a healthy child and I am finding difficulty coming up with a
constitutional rx.
During Mum's pregnancy with her all sorts went wrong. She became diabetic
and had to go on insulin., She was very stressed as her father was
diagnosed as having cancer and although she returned from abroad and lived
with her parents he died a month before the birth. She said that staying at
her parents was very stressful because her mother blamed everything on her
and she had never been able to answer back to her mother (Staph?). During a
routine scan it was noticed that this child had an enlarged kidney and for
the first 6 months of her life was on a low dose antibiotic. When born -
forceps - this child had a feeding tube for 24 hours as they wanted to check
the child's blood sugar contantly because of the insulin Mum had been on.
The child was breast fed for 6 months . She was also given a cream to make
the entrance to the urethra larger although she did appear to pass urine OK.
Milestones - late, no teeth until 14 months, walked at 14 months, talked a
lot later. There appeared to be a time when she stopped trying to talking a
move when she was about 18 months.
She has a opaque white round spot in her sclera which goes a little into the
iris. It is being monitored.
No fears, loves animals and bugs crawling on her. Has to have company , even
if it is an animal. Initially shy and then fine. She didn't appear to be
able to cope with the normal educational toys I have for children of her
age. Doesn't read yet but seemed to know her alphabet. She could write her
name. Mum doesn't think her concentration or memory is that good. Is a very
loyal friend- walks away if her younger sister fights with her. Very
sensitive inthat she gets upset if in trouble and wants to be helpful and a
good girl. Loves climbing and is a dare devil.. No temper- doesn't flare up-
can be whingy.
The last 2 years at change of season- mum was vague about when , but
possibly autumn , she has got a night cough and panicked about it. Mum
thinks the panic was because she was hospitalised twice when she was 1 or 2
for croup.
Her stool has habitually been sheep droppings type but of late more
diarrhoea.
Basically she seems one healthy looking child to me - with red lips.
Has anyone come across a tongue like this before. It has been suggested to
me that she may need extra vitamins of Magnesium and zinc. There is only
one remedy I can find for a denuded tongue but I am not sure if this is what
it is.
Regards
Rochelle
www.rochellemarsden.co.uk
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Re: case of the geographic tongue
I am not so sure about the relevance of the 'mapped tongue' rubric - this
usually means the whole tongue is contoured and split off into parts with
lines or fissures separating the parts, just like a 3D map. But you could
cross reference if you feel it does fit.
Joy
www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
on 11/8/04 5:44 PM, rochelle at rochelle@ntlworld.com wrote:
Yes I did know this rubric but there are sooo many Rx . The interesting
ones I found were
Murphy, Tongue; DENUDED, spots, ran-s[1]
RU, Mouth; denuded tongue, in spots: (see excoriation; general; tongue:),
hell[2], ran-s[1], spig[1], tarax[2] and I wondered if these were relevant!!
Rochelle
www.rochellemarsden.co.uk
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usually means the whole tongue is contoured and split off into parts with
lines or fissures separating the parts, just like a 3D map. But you could
cross reference if you feel it does fit.
Joy
www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
on 11/8/04 5:44 PM, rochelle at rochelle@ntlworld.com wrote:
Yes I did know this rubric but there are sooo many Rx . The interesting
ones I found were
Murphy, Tongue; DENUDED, spots, ran-s[1]
RU, Mouth; denuded tongue, in spots: (see excoriation; general; tongue:),
hell[2], ran-s[1], spig[1], tarax[2] and I wondered if these were relevant!!
Rochelle
www.rochellemarsden.co.uk
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: case of the geographic tongue
Rochelle,
In additon to the mapped tongue rubric sent by Rosemary, you might also look
at:
MOUTH - MUCOUS MEMBRANE - excoriation - Tongue
agar.;1;bg1 agar.;1;bg2 apis;1;k2 ars.;1;bg2 ars.;1;k ars-s-f.;1;k2
arum-t.;1;k2 aur.;2;k aur-m.;1;k2 bac.;1;bn bapt.;1;k2 calc.;2;k
canth.;2;bg2 canth.;2;k carb-ac.;2;k carb-v.;1;bg1 carb-v.;1;bg2
carb-v.;1;h2 cic.;1;bg2 cist.;2;k dig.;1;bg2 dig.;1;c1 kali-ar.;1;k
kali-c.;1;bg2 lach.;2;bg1 lach.;2;bg2 lach.;2;vh lyc.;1;bg2 lyc.;1;h2
merc.;3;bg2 merc.;3;k merc-c.;2;k mez.;1;bg2 moni.;1;rfm1 mur-ac.;2;bg2
mur-ac.;2;k nat-c.;1;bg2 nat-m.;1;bg2 nit-ac.;2;bg2 nit-ac.;2;k nux-v.;2;bg1
nux-v.;2;bg2 nux-v.;2;vh nux-v.;2;vh/dg nux-v.;2;vhx3 op.;1;bg2 ox-ac.;1;k
ph-ac.;1;bg2 phos.;2;bg1 phos.;2;bg2 phos.;2;vh ran-s.;2;k rhus-t.;1;k2
sabad.;1;bg2 sep.;3;bg2 sep.;3;k sil.;2;bg1 sil.;2;bg2 sil.;2;h2 sil.;2;vh
sil.;2;vh/dg sil.;2;vhx3 sul-ac.;1;bg2 sul-ac.;1;k sulph.;1;k syph.;1;k2
tarax.;1;k tarax.;1;mrr1
Peace,
Cinnabar
In additon to the mapped tongue rubric sent by Rosemary, you might also look
at:
MOUTH - MUCOUS MEMBRANE - excoriation - Tongue
agar.;1;bg1 agar.;1;bg2 apis;1;k2 ars.;1;bg2 ars.;1;k ars-s-f.;1;k2
arum-t.;1;k2 aur.;2;k aur-m.;1;k2 bac.;1;bn bapt.;1;k2 calc.;2;k
canth.;2;bg2 canth.;2;k carb-ac.;2;k carb-v.;1;bg1 carb-v.;1;bg2
carb-v.;1;h2 cic.;1;bg2 cist.;2;k dig.;1;bg2 dig.;1;c1 kali-ar.;1;k
kali-c.;1;bg2 lach.;2;bg1 lach.;2;bg2 lach.;2;vh lyc.;1;bg2 lyc.;1;h2
merc.;3;bg2 merc.;3;k merc-c.;2;k mez.;1;bg2 moni.;1;rfm1 mur-ac.;2;bg2
mur-ac.;2;k nat-c.;1;bg2 nat-m.;1;bg2 nit-ac.;2;bg2 nit-ac.;2;k nux-v.;2;bg1
nux-v.;2;bg2 nux-v.;2;vh nux-v.;2;vh/dg nux-v.;2;vhx3 op.;1;bg2 ox-ac.;1;k
ph-ac.;1;bg2 phos.;2;bg1 phos.;2;bg2 phos.;2;vh ran-s.;2;k rhus-t.;1;k2
sabad.;1;bg2 sep.;3;bg2 sep.;3;k sil.;2;bg1 sil.;2;bg2 sil.;2;h2 sil.;2;vh
sil.;2;vh/dg sil.;2;vhx3 sul-ac.;1;bg2 sul-ac.;1;k sulph.;1;k syph.;1;k2
tarax.;1;k tarax.;1;mrr1
Peace,
Cinnabar
Re: case of the geographic tongue
Dear Joy,
A mapped tongue to me is one that looks full or line and crevices - like a map so I agree with you here. This child's tongue is pink and smooth with just one very small red patch to be seen. That's why I wondered about the Denuded rubric.
Regards
Rochelle
www.rochellemarsden.co.uk
A mapped tongue to me is one that looks full or line and crevices - like a map so I agree with you here. This child's tongue is pink and smooth with just one very small red patch to be seen. That's why I wondered about the Denuded rubric.
Regards
Rochelle
www.rochellemarsden.co.uk
Re: case of the geographic tongue
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I don't think this is an inflammation in the true sense of the word. However I found this on a Dr Lockie site:-
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Glossitis
Sore tongue caused by temporary absence of papillae, the tiny protrusions that contain the taste buds; denuded of papillae, the tongue becomes dark red and inflamed; hot, spicy, acidic, or scratchy foods should be avoided. Occasionally condition is a symptom of iron-deficient Anaemia, or a lack of Vitamin Bl2, B3, biotin, or folate. Supplying the deficiency usually re-establishes normal growth of papillae.
Specific remedies to be taken 4 times daily for up to 5 days
a.. Sore, burning tongue wide red tip and red streak in middle Arsenicum 30c
b.. Whole mouth and tongue hot, dry, and red Belladonna 30c
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OK the description sounds correct but not the remedies for those reasons!!!
I also found Mum seemed to think it was a genetic problem,.
Oh well it looks as if it is a constitutional job - if I can find it!!
Regards
Rochelle
www.rochellemarsden.co.uk
I don't think this is an inflammation in the true sense of the word. However I found this on a Dr Lockie site:-
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Glossitis
Sore tongue caused by temporary absence of papillae, the tiny protrusions that contain the taste buds; denuded of papillae, the tongue becomes dark red and inflamed; hot, spicy, acidic, or scratchy foods should be avoided. Occasionally condition is a symptom of iron-deficient Anaemia, or a lack of Vitamin Bl2, B3, biotin, or folate. Supplying the deficiency usually re-establishes normal growth of papillae.
Specific remedies to be taken 4 times daily for up to 5 days
a.. Sore, burning tongue wide red tip and red streak in middle Arsenicum 30c
b.. Whole mouth and tongue hot, dry, and red Belladonna 30c
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
OK the description sounds correct but not the remedies for those reasons!!!
I also found Mum seemed to think it was a genetic problem,.
Oh well it looks as if it is a constitutional job - if I can find it!!
Regards
Rochelle
www.rochellemarsden.co.uk
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Patricia Hatherly
- Posts: 176
- Joined: Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:00 pm
Re: case of the geographic tongue
Dear Rochelle
This case "speaks" to me of possible cancer miasm: the spot on the iris;
love of animals; desire to be good; sensitive to reprimand ("desires the
good opinion of others", and, of course, the genetics!.
The gut/stool symptoms suggest IBS, and the denuding on the tongue is
possibly an extension of the gut topography which isn't going to be
excellent since the "good" that 6 months of breastfeeding would have
achieved was probably obviated by the antibiotics.
Agreed, the unusual tongue symptom could point to the Rx. You've been sent a
comprehensive list for geographic tongue and lac-c is there. That means you
can place lac-h there also (I find that where lac-c is in most physical
general rubrics lac-h is also a possibility).
Since you've said that no obvious constitutional Rx is apparent I'd be
inclined to attempt to restore gut function and her little personality will
then shine through. Diet restrictions/regime is an obvious desirability.
However, keeping in mind that Lac-h is a sarcode it can be used to restore
gut function if used in the lower potencies. In this situation I use LMs and
move up gradually.
However I know you don't use them, so 7C would be OK given as a NMN dose
every new moon and full moon for several months. Lac-h (like Carc) is tied
to moon phases (ie ). I've had several cases of restoration of gut
function in this way, also restoring mental function The Chinese have a
lovely saying that the stomach is the second mind and it's always lovely to
witness mental acumen improve when gut function is restored.
BTW Lac-h also has affinity for the kidneys.
If you can come up with nothing more specific I think this would be worth a
try.
kind regards
Patricia
This case "speaks" to me of possible cancer miasm: the spot on the iris;
love of animals; desire to be good; sensitive to reprimand ("desires the
good opinion of others", and, of course, the genetics!.
The gut/stool symptoms suggest IBS, and the denuding on the tongue is
possibly an extension of the gut topography which isn't going to be
excellent since the "good" that 6 months of breastfeeding would have
achieved was probably obviated by the antibiotics.
Agreed, the unusual tongue symptom could point to the Rx. You've been sent a
comprehensive list for geographic tongue and lac-c is there. That means you
can place lac-h there also (I find that where lac-c is in most physical
general rubrics lac-h is also a possibility).
Since you've said that no obvious constitutional Rx is apparent I'd be
inclined to attempt to restore gut function and her little personality will
then shine through. Diet restrictions/regime is an obvious desirability.
However, keeping in mind that Lac-h is a sarcode it can be used to restore
gut function if used in the lower potencies. In this situation I use LMs and
move up gradually.
However I know you don't use them, so 7C would be OK given as a NMN dose
every new moon and full moon for several months. Lac-h (like Carc) is tied
to moon phases (ie ). I've had several cases of restoration of gut
function in this way, also restoring mental function The Chinese have a
lovely saying that the stomach is the second mind and it's always lovely to
witness mental acumen improve when gut function is restored.
BTW Lac-h also has affinity for the kidneys.
If you can come up with nothing more specific I think this would be worth a
try.
kind regards
Patricia