Chicken or Egg?
If you take a healthy body and deprive of sleep, food, etc, it will soon
become sick.
Rgds
Soroush
Message: 10
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 22:53:58 +0200
From: "Paul Booyse"
Subject: Re: miasm
No, - when it's susceptible, it becomes stressed.
' 31
The inimical forces, partly psychical, partly physical, to which our
terrestrial existence is exposed, which are termed morbific noxious agents,
do not possess the power of morbidly deranging the health of man
unconditionally1; but we are made ill by them only when our organism is
sufficiently disposed and susceptible to attack of the morbific cause that
may be present, and to be altered in its health, deranged and made to
undergo abnormal sensations and functions - hence they do not produce
disease in every one nor at all times.
They cause susceptibility - to stressors or morbific noxious agents.
regards,
Paul
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Miasm
Re: Miasm
Finrod wrote:
Chicken or Egg?
Agreed. But are you not speaking only of regimen? Inherent in the discussion below by Paul and others are three ideas--
1. *inherited* or miasmatic susceptibility
2. susceptibility from *regimen* (sleep, nutrition, exercise)
3. susceptibility from *circumstance* (mental or emotional stressors or external alteration (eg. poisoning, etc)).
Is this accurate?
Susceptibility is present due to inheritance in all cases. There is also a "design capacity" of the subsystems of the body.
--Practices (regimen) and life circumstances (stress) can trigger inherited susceptibility, causing illness (strain).
--Inherited susceptibility alone can cause illness.
--Circumstances or inheritance can cause damage irrevocable by the body and its stimulation by the resonant remedy.
--Practices and life circumstances alone can create susceptibility to other stressors and result in illness (strain) irregardless of inherited susceptibility.
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PERMUTATIONS OF SUSCEPTIBILITY (from the perspective of homeopathic practitioner)
A. INHERITED SUSCEPTIBILITY EXCITED BY DEFECTIVE REGIMEN OR TROUBLING CIRCUMSTANCES
****Morbidity can arise from that susceptibility being excited (exciting cause) by defective regimen or circumstantial stresses (mental or emotional).
--Defective regimen or troubling events or demands cause the client to fail at the weak link of their inherited susceptibility--giving the chief complaint(s). Reinstatement of a good regimen can be helpful or even fix the problem (hygienic solution); and/or the resonant characteristic homeopathic remedy can bolster the natural weaknesses and eliminate the *tendency* to problems. Both measures are indicated in a typical case, as the inherited susceptibility can lead to bad regimen, as well as being itself excited by that poor regimen. This can appear to be a
"chicken or egg" conundrum, but the inherited susceptibility is at the root in this case.
As well, other hygienic modalities (hydrotherapy, massage, elimination of toxins (fasting, etc) may assist.
B. INHERITED SUSCEPTIBILITY ALONE CAUSES ILLNESS
****inherited susceptibility can result in morbidity without defective regimen or significant circumstantial stressors.
--the regimen is fine and the illness is created from inherited susceptibility alone. An infection is "caught"; or an organismal dysfunction arises with no apparent causation. Then it is mainly the resonant remedy which can be of help, if the problem is such that the body is capable of ameliorating it (ie the body is whole).
C. CIRCUMSTANCES OR INHERITANCE MAKE TREATMENT OF SUSCEPTIBILITY IRRELEVANT TO THE CHIEF COMPLAINT
**** the susceptibility is amenable to a resonant remedy, but the damage is irrevocable
--In other cases circumstance (accident or injury, iatrogenesis, "defective miasmatic disease", congenital defect, poisoning, ) has caused irrevocable damage or removal of part of the functioning body. If the body is not whole, then palliatives, adjuncts, biochemical crutches, corrective surgery, etc. may be needed. In this case susceptibility is no longer the relevant variable for the problem at hand, although future complications or other problems; and improvement in quality of life, may be helped by the resonant remedy (if the disease is not in the category of
"defective".)
D. DEFECTIVE REGIMEN OR CIRCUMSTANTIAL STRESSORS SIMPLY OVERPOWER THE ORGANISM CAPACITY AND CREATE SUSCEPTIBILITY UNRELATED TO INHERITANCE
**** Regimen or stresses are the only problem
--morbidity can arise from defective regimen or circumstantial stressors that (irregardless and not in excitation of natural susceptibility); simply override the "design capacities" of the human body or one of its subsystems and thus make it susceptible to invasion or injury. The organism becomes ill by overload of an organ system or component. Correction of regimen and/or removal of stressors is indicated. The overall remedy may help repair damage, as may an organ remedy or more specific rx in low or herbal potency aimed at the burned out subsystem. Other
adjuncts may help.
This answer is not referring to the Organon/CD. If someone wishes to answer the same point in that way, that is invited and would be useful and appreciated. But otherwise, are these the most common permutations encountered, in the order of frequency seen(?).
Best,
Andy
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Chicken or Egg?
Agreed. But are you not speaking only of regimen? Inherent in the discussion below by Paul and others are three ideas--
1. *inherited* or miasmatic susceptibility
2. susceptibility from *regimen* (sleep, nutrition, exercise)
3. susceptibility from *circumstance* (mental or emotional stressors or external alteration (eg. poisoning, etc)).
Is this accurate?
Susceptibility is present due to inheritance in all cases. There is also a "design capacity" of the subsystems of the body.
--Practices (regimen) and life circumstances (stress) can trigger inherited susceptibility, causing illness (strain).
--Inherited susceptibility alone can cause illness.
--Circumstances or inheritance can cause damage irrevocable by the body and its stimulation by the resonant remedy.
--Practices and life circumstances alone can create susceptibility to other stressors and result in illness (strain) irregardless of inherited susceptibility.
=========================================================
PERMUTATIONS OF SUSCEPTIBILITY (from the perspective of homeopathic practitioner)
A. INHERITED SUSCEPTIBILITY EXCITED BY DEFECTIVE REGIMEN OR TROUBLING CIRCUMSTANCES
****Morbidity can arise from that susceptibility being excited (exciting cause) by defective regimen or circumstantial stresses (mental or emotional).
--Defective regimen or troubling events or demands cause the client to fail at the weak link of their inherited susceptibility--giving the chief complaint(s). Reinstatement of a good regimen can be helpful or even fix the problem (hygienic solution); and/or the resonant characteristic homeopathic remedy can bolster the natural weaknesses and eliminate the *tendency* to problems. Both measures are indicated in a typical case, as the inherited susceptibility can lead to bad regimen, as well as being itself excited by that poor regimen. This can appear to be a
"chicken or egg" conundrum, but the inherited susceptibility is at the root in this case.
As well, other hygienic modalities (hydrotherapy, massage, elimination of toxins (fasting, etc) may assist.
B. INHERITED SUSCEPTIBILITY ALONE CAUSES ILLNESS
****inherited susceptibility can result in morbidity without defective regimen or significant circumstantial stressors.
--the regimen is fine and the illness is created from inherited susceptibility alone. An infection is "caught"; or an organismal dysfunction arises with no apparent causation. Then it is mainly the resonant remedy which can be of help, if the problem is such that the body is capable of ameliorating it (ie the body is whole).
C. CIRCUMSTANCES OR INHERITANCE MAKE TREATMENT OF SUSCEPTIBILITY IRRELEVANT TO THE CHIEF COMPLAINT
**** the susceptibility is amenable to a resonant remedy, but the damage is irrevocable
--In other cases circumstance (accident or injury, iatrogenesis, "defective miasmatic disease", congenital defect, poisoning, ) has caused irrevocable damage or removal of part of the functioning body. If the body is not whole, then palliatives, adjuncts, biochemical crutches, corrective surgery, etc. may be needed. In this case susceptibility is no longer the relevant variable for the problem at hand, although future complications or other problems; and improvement in quality of life, may be helped by the resonant remedy (if the disease is not in the category of
"defective".)
D. DEFECTIVE REGIMEN OR CIRCUMSTANTIAL STRESSORS SIMPLY OVERPOWER THE ORGANISM CAPACITY AND CREATE SUSCEPTIBILITY UNRELATED TO INHERITANCE
**** Regimen or stresses are the only problem
--morbidity can arise from defective regimen or circumstantial stressors that (irregardless and not in excitation of natural susceptibility); simply override the "design capacities" of the human body or one of its subsystems and thus make it susceptible to invasion or injury. The organism becomes ill by overload of an organ system or component. Correction of regimen and/or removal of stressors is indicated. The overall remedy may help repair damage, as may an organ remedy or more specific rx in low or herbal potency aimed at the burned out subsystem. Other
adjuncts may help.
This answer is not referring to the Organon/CD. If someone wishes to answer the same point in that way, that is invited and would be useful and appreciated. But otherwise, are these the most common permutations encountered, in the order of frequency seen(?).
Best,
Andy
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Re: Miasm
Hi Colleagues
The other night I went through the Organon and compiled a listing of all the
mentions of Miasm / Miasmatic in the Organon.
It is in the form of a WORD document.
If you are interested, please contact me directly. NOT VIA MINUTUS!
Rgds
Soroush
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The other night I went through the Organon and compiled a listing of all the
mentions of Miasm / Miasmatic in the Organon.
It is in the form of a WORD document.
If you are interested, please contact me directly. NOT VIA MINUTUS!
Rgds
Soroush
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