Dear List --
Any vets or dog breeders out there have a successful protocol for treating
heartworm in dogs? Some years ago I treated my Lab with black walnut
tincture, but he retained some microfilaria. I'd like to get rid of
these -- or at least prevent them from growing into adult worms. Commercial
anti-heartworm meds are not an option.
Has anyone used the heartworm nosode in an infected dog? What potency and
dosing schedule should be followed when the nosode is not being used for
prophylaxis?
I'd appreciate any help you can give. This poor dog has had a rough year
(lymphoma, spinal cord injury, a sore paw), but he bears it with great
dignity and sweetness.
Peace,
Cinnabar
Heartworm
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Magda Aguila
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Re: Heartworm
Cinnabar,
I have treated many dogs with heartworm. You can use the nosode, and in
conjunction, Paratox. Here is a link to a website to Dr. Werner, a vet in
Florida who has used this protocol with many rescue operations in Florida
with great success.
http://www.nbwi.org/holisticvetclinic.html
Magda Aguila
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I have treated many dogs with heartworm. You can use the nosode, and in
conjunction, Paratox. Here is a link to a website to Dr. Werner, a vet in
Florida who has used this protocol with many rescue operations in Florida
with great success.
http://www.nbwi.org/holisticvetclinic.html
Magda Aguila
Aquiline
Animal Nutrition and
Homeopathic Consultations
Ask me about Juice Plus
http://www.juiceplus.com/+ma21937
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Patti Mount
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Re: Heartworm
so Magda, as you tell us all the time that you are STRICTLY a Classical
Homeopath who only teaches from the 6th Organon and the use of LM potency
and here you are using this protocol? Please enlighten us.
My fondest & respectful regards, Patti Mount
Homeopath who only teaches from the 6th Organon and the use of LM potency
and here you are using this protocol? Please enlighten us.
My fondest & respectful regards, Patti Mount
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mbernard2424
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Re: Heartworm
I used the Paratox treatment on a dog and was not satisfied with the
results nor would I recommend it.
The Paratox treatment uses a combination homeopathic remedy that you
need to give daily and then weekly and then monthly, HW Nosode, again
over a long period of time, Diatomaceous Earth and I can't remember
what else. It was very involved and if you have a dog that is not
feeling well, as the one I was working with did not, it's difficult
to get the medicine into her.
I was told that I could put the combo homeopathic remedy in a
communal water bowl and that "it would not hurt the other animals,"
which of course I did not. I had to administer the liquid directly
to the dog.
While I understand this treatment has been successful in shelters, I
find it hard to believe that foster families would have the time to
do all that needs to be done for this treatment plan.
I recognize that this is a far cheaper alternative to either a
homeopathic veterinarian or the conventional treatment, unless the
dog is in good shape, the treatment plan is followed to the letter,
the dog is fed a raw diet, etc., but personally, I can't see it being
terribly successful.
Heartworm disease sucks and I know it's very common in the Southern
states, due to the lack of care most dogs receive in the South, of
course coupled with the warmer temperaments that allow mosquitoes to
survive long enough to pass on HW.
Anyway, Cinnabar, I think you'd be best served in consulting with a
good homeopathic vet and use a constitutional remedy, in conjunction
with raw diet, to treat your dog. A healthy dog should not have
issues with HW and good constitutional treatment will help your dog
to become healthier.
The Whole Dog had an excellent article on treating HW back in 2002 I
believe. If you can't find it, let me know and I'll dig it out.
Michelle T. Bernard
BLAKKATZ Naturally Raised American Shorthairs
http://www.blakkatz.com
Author of Raising Cats Naturally
http://www.raisingcatsnaturally.com
results nor would I recommend it.
The Paratox treatment uses a combination homeopathic remedy that you
need to give daily and then weekly and then monthly, HW Nosode, again
over a long period of time, Diatomaceous Earth and I can't remember
what else. It was very involved and if you have a dog that is not
feeling well, as the one I was working with did not, it's difficult
to get the medicine into her.
I was told that I could put the combo homeopathic remedy in a
communal water bowl and that "it would not hurt the other animals,"
which of course I did not. I had to administer the liquid directly
to the dog.
While I understand this treatment has been successful in shelters, I
find it hard to believe that foster families would have the time to
do all that needs to be done for this treatment plan.
I recognize that this is a far cheaper alternative to either a
homeopathic veterinarian or the conventional treatment, unless the
dog is in good shape, the treatment plan is followed to the letter,
the dog is fed a raw diet, etc., but personally, I can't see it being
terribly successful.
Heartworm disease sucks and I know it's very common in the Southern
states, due to the lack of care most dogs receive in the South, of
course coupled with the warmer temperaments that allow mosquitoes to
survive long enough to pass on HW.
Anyway, Cinnabar, I think you'd be best served in consulting with a
good homeopathic vet and use a constitutional remedy, in conjunction
with raw diet, to treat your dog. A healthy dog should not have
issues with HW and good constitutional treatment will help your dog
to become healthier.
The Whole Dog had an excellent article on treating HW back in 2002 I
believe. If you can't find it, let me know and I'll dig it out.
Michelle T. Bernard
BLAKKATZ Naturally Raised American Shorthairs
http://www.blakkatz.com
Author of Raising Cats Naturally
http://www.raisingcatsnaturally.com
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Magda Aguila
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Re: Heartworm
I don't particularly like the protocol, but the dogs I have treated are in
rescue operations and these places are not open to homeopathic treatment.
There is no possibility for me to treat these dogs in a constitutional
manner. It takes "too long" and it is "too much trouble" to stay in touch
with me and report every few days. All they want me to do (and approve for
me to do) is to "get rid of the heartworm". This protocol beats the
allopathic treatment with drugs and massive amounts of arsenic, which MANY
TIMES kills the dogs. The use of Paratox and HW nosode is safe, and fairly
fast. I DO NOT USE his protocol as far as the repetition of the remedies,
but I do use the HW nosode and the Paratox. I debated with this issue long
and hard and felt that if I could open some eyes and minds to the
possibility of using Homeopathy to treat some of these very sick animals, it
was better to compromise a bit as long as the protocol was not excessive.
So, I adjust the doses and have treated and cured many of these animals. In
return, several rescue operations have now approved for me to treat some
cases, and those do get treated with the strictest of Hahnemann's advanced
methods protocol and posology.
When a private owner contacts me to treat their HW positive dog, I do not
use the "mechanistic" approach of Dr. Wener.
Magda Aguila
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rescue operations and these places are not open to homeopathic treatment.
There is no possibility for me to treat these dogs in a constitutional
manner. It takes "too long" and it is "too much trouble" to stay in touch
with me and report every few days. All they want me to do (and approve for
me to do) is to "get rid of the heartworm". This protocol beats the
allopathic treatment with drugs and massive amounts of arsenic, which MANY
TIMES kills the dogs. The use of Paratox and HW nosode is safe, and fairly
fast. I DO NOT USE his protocol as far as the repetition of the remedies,
but I do use the HW nosode and the Paratox. I debated with this issue long
and hard and felt that if I could open some eyes and minds to the
possibility of using Homeopathy to treat some of these very sick animals, it
was better to compromise a bit as long as the protocol was not excessive.
So, I adjust the doses and have treated and cured many of these animals. In
return, several rescue operations have now approved for me to treat some
cases, and those do get treated with the strictest of Hahnemann's advanced
methods protocol and posology.
When a private owner contacts me to treat their HW positive dog, I do not
use the "mechanistic" approach of Dr. Wener.
Magda Aguila
Aquiline
Animal Nutrition and
Homeopathic Consultations
Ask me about Juice Plus
http://www.juiceplus.com/+ma21937
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Magda Aguila
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Re: Heartworm
Like everything Michelle, it is up to us as Homeopaths to use our knowledge
and experience. While I do use Paratox for the animals in the rescue
operation, I make it clear that it is to be given ONLY to the affected dog.
I prepare medicinal solutions/split doses and DO NOT use it daily or weekly.
The HW nosode I use only once. The product is effective if not used
indiscriminately and if used following Hahnemann's teachings.
Magda Aguila
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and experience. While I do use Paratox for the animals in the rescue
operation, I make it clear that it is to be given ONLY to the affected dog.
I prepare medicinal solutions/split doses and DO NOT use it daily or weekly.
The HW nosode I use only once. The product is effective if not used
indiscriminately and if used following Hahnemann's teachings.
Magda Aguila
Aquiline
Animal Nutrition and
Homeopathic Consultations
Ask me about Juice Plus
http://www.juiceplus.com/+ma21937
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mbernard2424
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Re: Heartworm
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "Magda Aguila" wrote:
Which is exactly why I went with my gut instinct and treated
constitutionally. When recommending Paratox, perhaps it would be
better if you stated what you state above instead of giving a random
approval of the treatment.
You state in another message that "I don't particularly like the
protocol," yet you recommend it, which was why I tried it. I agree,
its far better than injecting a dog with arsenic, but I am still not
convinced the protocol, as detailed in the instructions you get from
Dr. Wener, works with any reliability. I agree, it is mechanistic,
and most people are not going to keep up with the dosing and
everything else that goes along with it.
I commend you in attempting to treat shelter dogs and I hope you are
successful in opening eyes, but as you say in another e-mail, people
just want the HW gone and if homeopathy doesn't work quickly enough,
they'll opt for the conventional method of treatment. Perhaps the
most upsetting thing behind HW infestation is that it doesn't have to
happen, if these dogs were reasonably healthy to begin with, they
wouldn't have a problem with HW. Most of the dogs that go through
shelters today are not healthy, in any sense of the word.
Most of the pet-owning public are never going to understand what it
means to keep an animal healthy, that it isn't about opening a bag of
dry dog food and using all the preventative methods recommended by
conventional veterinarians. Drug and pet food manufacturers have
unlimited money to invest in advertising. Look at all the
commercials they run today. They're right up their with car dealer
and human drug commercials. Most of the general public is brain
washed into thinking you can "restore health and vitality" with
Science Diet's newest formula; that you can order HW, etc. drugs on
the Internet without ever having to go to your vet, that you need to
vaccinate your animal to prevent all the horrible diseases he may
catch, etc., etc.
Michelle T. Bernard
BLAKKATZ Naturally Raised American Shorthairs
http://www.blakkatz.com
Author of Raising Cats Naturally
http://www.raisingcatsnaturally.com
Which is exactly why I went with my gut instinct and treated
constitutionally. When recommending Paratox, perhaps it would be
better if you stated what you state above instead of giving a random
approval of the treatment.
You state in another message that "I don't particularly like the
protocol," yet you recommend it, which was why I tried it. I agree,
its far better than injecting a dog with arsenic, but I am still not
convinced the protocol, as detailed in the instructions you get from
Dr. Wener, works with any reliability. I agree, it is mechanistic,
and most people are not going to keep up with the dosing and
everything else that goes along with it.
I commend you in attempting to treat shelter dogs and I hope you are
successful in opening eyes, but as you say in another e-mail, people
just want the HW gone and if homeopathy doesn't work quickly enough,
they'll opt for the conventional method of treatment. Perhaps the
most upsetting thing behind HW infestation is that it doesn't have to
happen, if these dogs were reasonably healthy to begin with, they
wouldn't have a problem with HW. Most of the dogs that go through
shelters today are not healthy, in any sense of the word.
Most of the pet-owning public are never going to understand what it
means to keep an animal healthy, that it isn't about opening a bag of
dry dog food and using all the preventative methods recommended by
conventional veterinarians. Drug and pet food manufacturers have
unlimited money to invest in advertising. Look at all the
commercials they run today. They're right up their with car dealer
and human drug commercials. Most of the general public is brain
washed into thinking you can "restore health and vitality" with
Science Diet's newest formula; that you can order HW, etc. drugs on
the Internet without ever having to go to your vet, that you need to
vaccinate your animal to prevent all the horrible diseases he may
catch, etc., etc.
Michelle T. Bernard
BLAKKATZ Naturally Raised American Shorthairs
http://www.blakkatz.com
Author of Raising Cats Naturally
http://www.raisingcatsnaturally.com
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Magda Aguila
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Re: Heartworm
Michelle,
I am sure you are aware of my stance on mechanistic Homeopathy and as Patti
called it , my purist attitude. I don't see the point in getting into a
long discussion of this particular issue since I have already clarified how
I use it and why. Cinnabar, the original poster has plenty of experience
with Homeopathy. I am sure that she would have asked questions if she felt
she needed to. It was a link to a curative treatment. Your personal
experience with the treatment may not have been successful, but the fact
still remains that Dr. Werner's protocol, excessive as it may be, for
purists like me, does work, otherwise, it would not have been largely
approved by many rescue operations in Florida and other states.
Treating a patient based on the totality of the symptoms IS Homeopathy. It
is the best way and IMO the only way. HW, like Lymes disease is a chronic
miasmatic disease that uses a zoological vector to infect the animal. While
I am working (slowly) on a group anamnesis or Genius Epidemicus remedies for
the treatment of HW, there are times when my hands are tied as to how I
approach these cases because I am not being asked to help by the animals'
owners, but by rescue operations that most of the time have huge problems
with anything non allopathic. Most of these operations have in house
allopathic vets and the mention of any alternative treatment sends everyone
running around looking for the sky to fall! This is doubly so with a lay
practitioner!!!. If I see the opportunity to treat an animal with
Homeopathy (even if it is somewhat mechanistic) instead of allopathic drugs,
I will. I hope soon to be able to have even a small group of Genius
Epidemicus remedies that I can rely upon to treat these animals, but with my
limited time, I use what I can!
Magda Aguila
Aquiline
Animal Nutrition and
Homeopathic Consultations
Ask me about Juice Plus
http://www.juiceplus.com/+ma21937
I am sure you are aware of my stance on mechanistic Homeopathy and as Patti
called it , my purist attitude. I don't see the point in getting into a
long discussion of this particular issue since I have already clarified how
I use it and why. Cinnabar, the original poster has plenty of experience
with Homeopathy. I am sure that she would have asked questions if she felt
she needed to. It was a link to a curative treatment. Your personal
experience with the treatment may not have been successful, but the fact
still remains that Dr. Werner's protocol, excessive as it may be, for
purists like me, does work, otherwise, it would not have been largely
approved by many rescue operations in Florida and other states.
Treating a patient based on the totality of the symptoms IS Homeopathy. It
is the best way and IMO the only way. HW, like Lymes disease is a chronic
miasmatic disease that uses a zoological vector to infect the animal. While
I am working (slowly) on a group anamnesis or Genius Epidemicus remedies for
the treatment of HW, there are times when my hands are tied as to how I
approach these cases because I am not being asked to help by the animals'
owners, but by rescue operations that most of the time have huge problems
with anything non allopathic. Most of these operations have in house
allopathic vets and the mention of any alternative treatment sends everyone
running around looking for the sky to fall! This is doubly so with a lay
practitioner!!!. If I see the opportunity to treat an animal with
Homeopathy (even if it is somewhat mechanistic) instead of allopathic drugs,
I will. I hope soon to be able to have even a small group of Genius
Epidemicus remedies that I can rely upon to treat these animals, but with my
limited time, I use what I can!
Magda Aguila
Aquiline
Animal Nutrition and
Homeopathic Consultations
Ask me about Juice Plus
http://www.juiceplus.com/+ma21937
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mbernard2424
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Re: Heartworm
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "Magda Aguila" wrote:
Magda, no one is asking you to discuss anything.
Would you be kind enough to provide said evidence?
You will get no argument from me.
And as you said to me in a previous message sent privately:
"From: "Magda Aguila"
Date: 2004/07/30 Fri AM 08:31:57 EDT
To:
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Re: Heartworm
You want to get into a pissing contest with me on the list? I
suggest you stay in your little hole and stay away from me.
Otherwise you will regret it. I would LOVE nothing but to embarrass
the crap out of you on the list!"
I am not pissing and I do not live in a hole and you can only
embarrass who chose to be embarrassed. I have nothing to be
embarrassed about. I've been very successful in what I've done with
my cats and those of others. I'm into third generation naturally
raised cats (non vaccinated and treated extensively with homeopathy,
no conventional medicine) and have finally been able to reap the
benefits of all the ground work I've done. I may not have the
extensive knowledge that you do, but I do just fine with what I do.
I disagree with the mechanical means of eliminating HW via use of
Paratox and that's my stance on the matter. I'm sorry to disagree
with you, I know how much you hate that, but tough. Go find someone
else to threaten.
Michelle T. Bernard
BLAKKATZ Naturally Raised American Shorthairs
http://www.blakkatz.com
Author of Raising Cats Naturally
http://www.raisingcatsnaturally.com
Magda, no one is asking you to discuss anything.
Would you be kind enough to provide said evidence?
You will get no argument from me.
And as you said to me in a previous message sent privately:
"From: "Magda Aguila"
Date: 2004/07/30 Fri AM 08:31:57 EDT
To:
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Re: Heartworm
You want to get into a pissing contest with me on the list? I
suggest you stay in your little hole and stay away from me.
Otherwise you will regret it. I would LOVE nothing but to embarrass
the crap out of you on the list!"
I am not pissing and I do not live in a hole and you can only
embarrass who chose to be embarrassed. I have nothing to be
embarrassed about. I've been very successful in what I've done with
my cats and those of others. I'm into third generation naturally
raised cats (non vaccinated and treated extensively with homeopathy,
no conventional medicine) and have finally been able to reap the
benefits of all the ground work I've done. I may not have the
extensive knowledge that you do, but I do just fine with what I do.
I disagree with the mechanical means of eliminating HW via use of
Paratox and that's my stance on the matter. I'm sorry to disagree
with you, I know how much you hate that, but tough. Go find someone
else to threaten.
Michelle T. Bernard
BLAKKATZ Naturally Raised American Shorthairs
http://www.blakkatz.com
Author of Raising Cats Naturally
http://www.raisingcatsnaturally.com
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Rosemary C Hyde PhD
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Re: Heartworm
Dear Magda. I hope you are planning to publish your "Genus epidemicus" analysis -- that will be valuable information indeed, and you are to be commended for working on it. Rosemary