reposted for clarity
rochelle wrote:
===================================================== * =====================================================
More accurate would probably be calling it Centripetal force (?), as the
effect of the simple centrifuge is to accelerate the sample
centripetally (away from the axis of spin), applying that force to the
sample (as it is also held from flying away by the arm of the centrifuge
and the edge of the sample holder--the centrifugal component). Maybe a
physicist in the group can back me up or correct me on this and comment
with more authority on this....
Re: using the name Time---off the top of my head, as time in PLANETARY
life (could in the sense of the newtonian forces involved without the
context of the non-newtonian ones) be defined by rotatory motion in
combination with revolutionary motion, then the name "Time" is probably
not strictly correct at least for earth, (if Nuala only used a simple
centrifuge). It would be a generalized time perhaps, but not specific to
our earth time, although the only way to know if the methodology in
making the remedy would make a significant difference would be to use a
different method and
compare. Rotation in general may provide an sufficient approximation(?)
Revolutionary motion and the non-coplanar axes of the earth's rotation
and the axis of revolution are missing elements. I agree with Rochelle
and Julian that the present rx should possibly be renamed according to
the force applied to it; without making an excursionary leap to a
multifactorial entity which is greater than a single newtonian force.
But maybe there is more information that we don't know about the making
of the rx.
A more tenable method to approximate what she is after may be to use a
centrifuging sample (motion 1, representing planetary ROTATION) that is
in turn attached to a track device which moves the attached centrifuge
in the appropriate elliptical path (motion 2, representing planetary
REVOLUTION). The track device would be better than a second centrifuge.
The difference between circular and elliptical is the speedup of
revolution around the poles of the ellipse, an important factor which we
experience; and should not be overlooked. Also, the centrifuge
(rotation) would need to
be offset in space relative to the plane of rotation, mimicking the
earth's tilt angle (which on the actual earth has the effect of creating
seasonal variation in addition to other effects); and also the relation
of that tilt angle to the position in the orbit. Precession of the tilt
axis need not be included in a remedy made for the present tilt
relationship and angle. But making another version of the remedy which
included an entire cycle of precession of the tilt axis ( in reality a
cycle of 25, 850 years) would be interesting, as it would encompass a
simulation of what is
called a "Great Year" in terms of the forces involved in such a cycle.
The resulting approximation of revolutionary AND rotatory motion
simultaneously would more closely approximate the motion of the planet
in a system which provides the context for what we experience as TIME.
The appropriately scaled actual and relative rotation RATES and rotatory
SENSES of both types of motion would need to be employed to accurate
mimic of planetary motion. The experiment location if done without
shielding would of course be bathed in all other forces we experience
here (electromagnetic, newtonian, and thermodynamic; and the various
etheric valences and
non-hertzian forces;--thus making it a pretty accurate portrayal of what
we experience here on earth as motion through space, which arguably IS
the forcing function for "Time". I would like to see her make the
remedy in the latter way, and call it "Earth Motion" or "Planetary
Motion"; or, (after more research and the blessing of someone like John
Hagelin, particle physicist formerly of CERN and now at Maharishi
University in Iowa) perhaps "Time".
rochelle wrote:
================================================== * ==================================================
These are inventive provings; and provide very intriguing possibilities.
Many of the rx introduced by Nuala Eising have already proven very
useful (Granite-Connaught, Vacuum, Fire (Ignis) (the best rx for burns
in many cases, equalling or surpassing Cantharis as a first
measure)--to mention just a few of her provings.).
===========================
The Validity of Remedies made from Physical Sources (emanations or
forces) (As distinct from Chemical Sources)
===========================
Nuala has very interesting ideas and proves many physically based
remedies of basic forces and influences. Personally I see this as
exciting and absolutely needed. I see no reason (especially in
homeopathy, based as much on physical chemistry principles than
valence-based chemistry) why we should overlook remedies made from
physical processes and emanations. That they should be called
"imponderables" shows a materialistic bias which is not only
incongruous, but prejudiced---freedom from which is demanded by true
science, true justice in law, and proper social intercourse--and
which is of course paramount in successful case taking and analysis.
Sunlight, moonlight, fire, and centripetal force, for example; are no
more imponderable than any chemical. We could ponder their absence
without any scientific inquiry (!) as it would be very noticeable. So
why are they "imponderable"? The discipline of physics has pondered
these and many other physical processes to the nth degree for centuries
and knows as much about them as we do about chemicals. The name was
appended by someone apologetically; with the bias of medicine and
society in mind, and it is a
materialistic bias indeed. Life is ceaselessly bathed in physical (and
what are termed metaphysical) processes. Nuala is perfectly correct in
expanding the materia medica in this fashion, and I would say that it is
past due.
============================
Remedies made from Meta-physical Sources
============================
What now might be called imponderable by some on a bit more logical
grounds are remedies such as Berlin Wall, made from non-hertzian
emanations in the absence of reference to the physical substance that
contains them. Berlin Wall considers the chemical component of the wall
material to be only a carrier (alcohol set on top of the wall during its
dismantling might have been more accurate). All remedies made on earth
are exposed to non-hertzian emanations (some might call them
astrological forcing functions). The Berlin Wall is an attempt to
successfully capture emanations from
a mass of human beings in a particular context. The premise is
probably that the intensive mass thought forms over a few decades that
related to the boundary that the wall created between two halves of the
same german public were collected in the wall. Mass recognition of the
boundary and its meaning is assumed to have been captured in the
structure of the wall. The idea was to then attempt to categorize the
tone of the emanations via doing provings (I believe a proving at least
of some type if not fully Hahnemannian was done with this rx) and
gaining clinical experience
with the remedy. Probably the expectation was that the proved rx action
on humans would somehow involve the theme of limitation of freedom of
travel, political limitations, etc and thus be applicable in such
clients (oppression and limitation, perceived or real are not an
uncommon clinical situation of course). As well, the physical maladies
associated with such a state could potentially become known via the
provings and clinical experience.
See http://www.biolumanetics.net/tantalus/C ... inWall.htm
for a quality exposition of clinical experience with Berlin Wall, which
seems to bear out the hypothesis that some thematic emanation was indeed
captured in it which seems to have overshadowed the chemical
composition---the intensity of its ascribed meaning.
Non-hertzian emanations (certainly one category of meta-physical
emanations)--for many people (for example astrologers) are not at all
imponderable. Astrologers use astronomical information to know the
relative and absolute timing of the interferometry of planetary
emanations which are not at the moment widely measured by instruments,
nor even considered to exist by the current religion of the dominant
cultures of the race. But study of these emanations (in the hands of
the right methods and practitioner) can describe the thematic nature and
timing of someone's "fate program"
(events, constitutional susceptibility, illnesses, etc). Such
emanations are quite amenable to investigation and ponderable by
INFERENCE. Astrological inference is similar in some ways to
homeopathic inference, which uses outward symptoms, signs, and
psychological comparison between a client and proving/clinical data. We
cannot see the "spirit-like" dynamis that we are affecting, yet we can
use our knowledge of patterns to identify a matrix of symptoms that may
be usable clues and match a remedy to it that has a facsimile of that pattern.
In similar fashion, astrological inferential science, some 3000 years
old, has empirically made meaningful connections between the planetary
positions and patterns in a particular timeframe and their expression
over time in a human life, life of a nation, or any other living entity.
The inference extends to the understanding of the nature of the
non-hertzian emanation of each planet, how each apparent sky sector
modifies that emanation, and how each sector on the planet receives the
pattern as it has been expressed in the organs and meridians of the
human, and their "field" of
activity. An organism during birth and gestation takes on
characteristics of the field in force during that time as a "fate
program"--this program becomes triggered by the planetary emanation
fields during its lifetime--- each unique pattern is impacted by the
march of "time" (planetary motion). As in any science, the value of the
information derived is only as good as its interpreter or analyzer. The
homeopathic science is testable in seeing the client-remedy match bear
out in results on the observed "complaints" and measurable diseases,
with statistical significance. The
astrological science is testable in seeing expected constitutional
susceptibilities bear out in disease; and by observing events unfold
that match what is expected by the indications of that discipline, also
with statistical significance.
So, in reality, even meta-physical emanations (thought forms, emotions,
expressions of life force, geomantic remedies)--are not necessarily "imponderable".
Calling any remedy made from widely studied forces "imponderable"
prejudicially, when our own pharmaceutical method is barely understood,
is illogical. We widely give remedies which are an energetic imprint
within physical structure instead of the physical structure itself.
Our (potentized) remedies are more physical than chemical, and are
likely to be non-hertzian (meta-physical) in nature. What we are
treating (the "spirit-like" dynamis) is certainly considered
meta-physical. It is POOR TERMINOLOGY to call a remedy exponent any
more imponderable than the pharmaceutical
method we ourselves use and the medium we are affecting with our
treatment. And-- our pharmaceutical technique is in fact also quite
ponderable, and is the subject of many books such as those recently
cited all in one place by "Dr. J" of our list:
- Bellavite and Signori: The Emerging Science of Homeopathy
- Delinick: Homeotherapeutics
- Michel Schiff: The Memory of Water
- Madeleine Bastide: books and articles
- Endler and Schulte: Ultra High dilutions
- Doutrempuich: Ultra Low doses
- Resch & Gutman: Scientific Foundations of Homeopathy
and articles including :
http://www.hpathy.com/RESEARCH/how_does ... y_work.asp
(by list member Brian Connolly)
The topic of the human "spirit -like" energetic constitution has been
manipulated via acupuncture and moxibustion; and studied and pondered
by Chinese medicine practitioners for perhaps some 5000 years, just as
one example. Parts of the human spiritual form are viewable in real
time or photograph with a kirlian camera and other methods. So the
human energetic constitution is not "imponderable", either.
I suggest we eliminate the term "imponderable" from use in homeopathic
science, as it is anachronistic and prejudiced to a way of understanding
reality that is not congruent with the mechanism we use every day.
Before it is proved or used clinically as a potentized remedy, even
table salt is "imponderable", having characteristic effects not obvious
nor expected. Use of the term "imponderable" only to designate remedies
that are not chemical in origin is a categorization error that is
illogical to the point of creating a contradiction for new students of homeopathy.
Probably better terms would be (for example):
===========================
Existing Terms:
===============
*Biological
--Animals
--Plants
--Fungi
--Nosodes, Pathogens, and Microorganisms (Bacteria, Protozoans, Viruses,
Prions, etc)
--Sarcodes and biochemicals
*Elemental
--Elements and Compounds
--Mineral Complexes (rocks and waters)
*Imponderables
=============================
Proposed Change:
================
Substitute for "Imponderables" by creating a category "Forces" and
breaking it into two categories:
--Physical Forces
--Metaphysical Forces
=============
*Forces
=============
==============
Physical Forces:
==============
--Electromagnetic Spectrum (ex. Fire; x-Ray; Venus (planet reflected
light through telescope-this has a proving BTW (quality of it unknown) at
http://www.btinternet.com/~wellmother/venusbase.htm
--Newtonian Force (ex. Centripetal Force)
--Other Force categories as applicable (e.g. other atomic forces not
covered by the above; subatomic "particles" (quarks, positrons, etc)) if
not covered by the above Cosmic forces like muons, etc)
=============
================
Metaphysical (eg Non-Hertzian) Forces:
===============
--Thought form (e.g. projected thought images or feeling tone
intensities (e.g. anger, love etc); focused by a mind or minds-- or
otherwise captured on a vial of alcohol or other carrier maybe Berlin
Wall is partly in this category)
--Geomantic (e.g. physical landscape components with alleged or actual
inherent energetic significance that may override their actual
chemistry-- ex.--Berlin Wall or Stonehenge)
--Other Force categories as applicable (such as "paranormal" phenomena, etc)
================
I propose that the term "imponderable" is an apology to materialist
thinkers, is somewhat anti-intellectual and anti-scientific, and should
not be perpetuated as a term in the science of Homeopathy. Whether or
not it is "politically correct" in helping or hindering the acceptance
of homeopathic medicine, changes of this nature should be embraced to
update our terminology and make it more logically consistent.
Best to All,
Andy
Repost for Clarity: The Rx Time and a Proposed Re-Classification of Imponderables
Re: Repost for Clarity: The Rx Time and a Proposed Re-Classification of Imponderables
reposted for clarity
rochelle wrote:
===================================================== * =====================================================
More accurate would probably be calling it Centripetal force (?), as the
effect of the simple centrifuge is to accelerate the sample
centripetally (away from the axis of spin), applying that force to the
sample (as it is also held from flying away by the arm of the centrifuge
and the edge of the sample holder--the centrifugal component). Maybe a
physicist in the group can back me up or correct me on this and comment
with more authority on this....
Re: using the name Time---off the top of my head, as time in PLANETARY
life (could in the sense of the newtonian forces involved without the
context of the non-newtonian ones) be defined by rotatory motion in
combination with revolutionary motion, then the name "Time" is probably
not strictly correct at least for earth, (if Nuala only used a simple
centrifuge). It would be a generalized time perhaps, but not specific to
our earth time, although the only way to know if the methodology in
making the remedy would make a significant difference would be to use a
different method and
compare. Rotation in general may provide an sufficient approximation(?)
Revolutionary motion and the non-coplanar axes of the earth's rotation
and the axis of revolution are missing elements. I agree with Rochelle
and Julian that the present rx should possibly be renamed according to
the force applied to it; without making an excursionary leap to a
multifactorial entity which is probably more complex than a single
newtonian spinning force. But maybe there is more information that we
don't know about the making of the rx.
A more tenable method to approximate what she is after may be to use a
centrifuging sample (motion 1, representing planetary ROTATION) that is
in turn attached to a track device which moves the attached centrifuge
in the appropriate elliptical path (motion 2, representing planetary
REVOLUTION). The track device would be better than a second centrifuge.
The difference between circular and elliptical is the speedup of
revolution around the poles of the ellipse, an important factor which we
experience; and should not be overlooked. Also, the centrifuge
(rotation) would need to
be offset in space relative to the plane of rotation, mimicking the
earth's tilt angle (which on the actual earth has the effect of creating
seasonal variation in addition to other effects); and also the relation
of that tilt angle to the position in the orbit. Precession of the tilt
axis need not be included in a remedy made for the present tilt
relationship and angle. But making another version of the remedy which
included an entire cycle of precession of the tilt axis ( in reality a
cycle of 25, 850 years) would be interesting, as it would encompass a
simulation of what is
called a "Great Year" in terms of the forces involved in such a cycle.
The resulting approximation of revolutionary AND rotatory motion
simultaneously would more closely approximate the motion of the planet
in a system which provides the context for what we experience as TIME.
The appropriately scaled actual and relative rotation RATES and rotatory
SENSES of both types of motion would need to be employed to accurate
mimic of planetary motion. The experiment location if done without
shielding would of course be bathed in all other forces we experience
here (electromagnetic, newtonian, and thermodynamic; and the various
etheric valences and
non-hertzian forces;--thus making it a pretty accurate portrayal of what
we experience here on earth as motion through space, which arguably IS
the forcing function for "Time". I would like to see her make the
remedy in the latter way, and call it "Earth Motion" or "Planetary
Motion"; or, (after more research and the blessing of someone like John
Hagelin, particle physicist formerly of CERN and now at Maharishi
University in Iowa) perhaps "Time".
rochelle wrote:
================================================== * ==================================================
These are inventive provings; and provide very intriguing possibilities.
Many of the rx introduced by Nuala Eising have already proven very
useful (Granite-Connaught, Vacuum, Fire (Ignis) (the best rx for burns
in many cases, equalling or surpassing Cantharis as a first
measure)--to mention just a few of her provings.).
===========================
The Validity of Remedies made from Physical Sources (emanations or
forces) (As distinct from Chemical Sources)
===========================
Nuala has very interesting ideas and proves many physically based
remedies of basic forces and influences. Personally I see this as
exciting and absolutely needed. I see no reason (especially in
homeopathy, based as much on physical chemistry principles than
valence-based chemistry) why we should overlook remedies made from
physical processes and emanations. That they should be called
"imponderables" shows a materialistic bias which is not only
incongruous, but prejudiced---freedom from which is demanded by true
science, true justice in law, and proper social intercourse--and
which is of course paramount in successful case taking and analysis.
Sunlight, moonlight, fire, and centripetal force, for example; are no
more imponderable than any chemical. We could ponder their absence
without any scientific inquiry (!) as it would be very noticeable. So
why are they "imponderable"? The discipline of physics has pondered
these and many other physical processes to the nth degree for centuries
and knows as much about them as we do about chemicals. The name was
appended by someone apologetically; with the bias of medicine and
society in mind, and it is a
materialistic bias indeed. Life is ceaselessly bathed in physical (and
what are termed metaphysical) processes. Nuala is perfectly correct in
expanding the materia medica in this fashion, and I would say that it is
past due.
============================
Remedies made from Meta-physical Sources
============================
What now might be called imponderable by some on a bit more logical
grounds are remedies such as Berlin Wall, made from non-hertzian
emanations in the absence of reference to the physical substance that
contains them. Berlin Wall considers the chemical component of the wall
material to be only a carrier (alcohol set on top of the wall during its
dismantling might have been more accurate). All remedies made on earth
are exposed to non-hertzian emanations (some might call them
astrological forcing functions). The Berlin Wall is an attempt to
successfully capture emanations from
a mass of human beings in a particular context. The premise is
probably that the intensive mass thought forms over a few decades that
related to the boundary that the wall created between two halves of the
same german public were collected in the wall. Mass recognition of the
boundary and its meaning is assumed to have been captured in the
structure of the wall. The idea was to then attempt to categorize the
tone of the emanations via doing provings (I believe a proving at least
of some type if not fully Hahnemannian was done with this rx) and
gaining clinical experience
with the remedy. Probably the expectation was that the proved rx action
on humans would somehow involve the theme of limitation of freedom of
travel, political limitations, etc and thus be applicable in such
clients (oppression and limitation, perceived or real are not an
uncommon clinical situation of course). As well, the physical maladies
associated with such a state could potentially become known via the
provings and clinical experience.
See http://www.biolumanetics.net/tantalus/C ... inWall.htm
for a quality exposition of clinical experience with Berlin Wall, which
seems to bear out the hypothesis that some thematic emanation was indeed
captured in it which seems to have overshadowed the chemical
composition---the intensity of its ascribed meaning.
Non-hertzian emanations (certainly one category of meta-physical
emanations)--for many people (for example astrologers) are not at all
imponderable. Astrologers use astronomical information to know the
relative and absolute timing of the interferometry of planetary
emanations which are not at the moment widely measured by instruments,
nor even considered to exist by the current religion of the dominant
cultures of the race. But study of these emanations (in the hands of
the right methods and practitioner) can describe the thematic nature and
timing of someone's "fate program"
(events, constitutional susceptibility, illnesses, etc). Such
emanations are quite amenable to investigation and ponderable by
INFERENCE. Astrological inference is similar in some ways to
homeopathic inference, which uses outward symptoms, signs, and
psychological comparison between a client and proving/clinical data. We
cannot see the "spirit-like" dynamis that we are affecting, yet we can
use our knowledge of patterns to identify a matrix of symptoms that may
be usable clues and match a remedy to it that has a facsimile of that pattern.
In similar fashion, astrological inferential science, some 3000 years
old, has empirically made meaningful connections between the planetary
positions and patterns in a particular timeframe and their expression
over time in a human life, life of a nation, or any other living entity.
The inference extends to the understanding of the nature of the
non-hertzian emanation of each planet, how each apparent sky sector
modifies that emanation, and how each sector on the planet receives the
pattern as it has been expressed in the organs and meridians of the
human, and their "field" of
activity. An organism during birth and gestation takes on
characteristics of the field in force during that time as a "fate
program"--this program becomes triggered by the planetary emanation
fields during its lifetime--- each unique pattern is impacted by the
march of "time" (planetary motion). As in any science, the value of the
information derived is only as good as its interpreter or analyzer. The
homeopathic science is testable in seeing the client-remedy match bear
out in results on the observed "complaints" and measurable diseases,
with statistical significance. The
astrological science is testable in seeing expected constitutional
susceptibilities bear out in disease; and by observing events unfold
that match what is expected by the indications of that discipline, also
with statistical significance.
So, in reality, even meta-physical emanations (thought forms, emotions,
expressions of life force, geomantic remedies)--are not necessarily "imponderable".
Calling any remedy made from widely studied forces "imponderable"
prejudicially, when our own pharmaceutical method is barely understood,
is illogical. We widely give remedies which are an energetic imprint
within physical structure instead of the physical structure itself.
Our (potentized) remedies are more physical than chemical, and are
likely to be non-hertzian (meta-physical) in nature. What we are
treating (the "spirit-like" dynamis) is certainly considered
meta-physical. It is POOR TERMINOLOGY to call a remedy exponent any
more imponderable than the pharmaceutical
method we ourselves use and the medium we are affecting with our
treatment. And-- our pharmaceutical technique is in fact also quite
ponderable, and is the subject of many books such as those recently
cited all in one place by "Dr. J" of our list:
- Bellavite and Signori: The Emerging Science of Homeopathy
- Delinick: Homeotherapeutics
- Michel Schiff: The Memory of Water
- Madeleine Bastide: books and articles
- Endler and Schulte: Ultra High dilutions
- Doutrempuich: Ultra Low doses
- Resch & Gutman: Scientific Foundations of Homeopathy
and articles including :
http://www.hpathy.com/RESEARCH/how_does ... y_work.asp
(by list member Brian Connolly)
The topic of the human "spirit -like" energetic constitution has been
manipulated via acupuncture and moxibustion; and studied and pondered
by Chinese medicine practitioners for perhaps some 5000 years, just as
one example. Parts of the human spiritual form are viewable in real
time or photograph with a kirlian camera and other methods. So the
human energetic constitution is not "imponderable", either.
I suggest we eliminate the term "imponderable" from use in homeopathic
science, as it is anachronistic and prejudiced to a way of understanding
reality that is not congruent with the mechanism we use every day.
Before it is proved or used clinically as a potentized remedy, even
table salt is "imponderable", having characteristic effects not obvious
nor expected. Use of the term "imponderable" only to designate remedies
that are not chemical in origin is a categorization error that is
illogical to the point of creating a contradiction for new students of homeopathy.
Probably better terms would be (for example):
===========================
Existing Terms:
===============
*Biological
--Animals
--Plants
--Fungi
--Nosodes, Pathogens, and Microorganisms (Bacteria, Protozoans, Viruses,
Prions, etc)
--Sarcodes and biochemicals
*Elemental
--Elements and Compounds
--Mineral Complexes (rocks and waters)
*Imponderables
=============================
Proposed Change:
================
Substitute for "Imponderables" by creating a category "Forces" and
breaking it into two categories:
--Physical Forces
--Metaphysical Forces
=============
*Forces
=============
==============
Physical Forces:
==============
--Electromagnetic Spectrum (ex. Fire; x-Ray; Venus (planet reflected
light through telescope-this has a proving BTW (quality of it unknown) at
http://www.btinternet.com/~wellmother/venusbase.htm
--Newtonian Force (ex. Centripetal Force)
--Other Force categories as applicable (e.g. other atomic forces not
covered by the above; subatomic "particles" (quarks, positrons, etc)) if
not covered by the above Cosmic forces like muons, etc)
=============
================
Metaphysical (eg Non-Hertzian) Forces:
===============
--Thought form (e.g. projected thought images or feeling tone
intensities (e.g. anger, love etc); focused by a mind or minds-- or
otherwise captured on a vial of alcohol or other carrier maybe Berlin
Wall is partly in this category)
--Geomantic (e.g. physical landscape components with alleged or actual
inherent energetic significance that may override their actual
chemistry-- ex.--Berlin Wall or Stonehenge)
--Other Force categories as applicable (such as "paranormal" phenomena, etc)
================
I propose that the term "imponderable" is an apology to materialist
thinkers, is somewhat anti-intellectual and anti-scientific, and should
not be perpetuated as a term in the science of Homeopathy. Whether or
not it is "politically correct" in helping or hindering the acceptance
of homeopathic medicine, changes of this nature should be embraced to
update our terminology and make it more logically consistent.
Best to All,
Andy
rochelle wrote:
===================================================== * =====================================================
More accurate would probably be calling it Centripetal force (?), as the
effect of the simple centrifuge is to accelerate the sample
centripetally (away from the axis of spin), applying that force to the
sample (as it is also held from flying away by the arm of the centrifuge
and the edge of the sample holder--the centrifugal component). Maybe a
physicist in the group can back me up or correct me on this and comment
with more authority on this....
Re: using the name Time---off the top of my head, as time in PLANETARY
life (could in the sense of the newtonian forces involved without the
context of the non-newtonian ones) be defined by rotatory motion in
combination with revolutionary motion, then the name "Time" is probably
not strictly correct at least for earth, (if Nuala only used a simple
centrifuge). It would be a generalized time perhaps, but not specific to
our earth time, although the only way to know if the methodology in
making the remedy would make a significant difference would be to use a
different method and
compare. Rotation in general may provide an sufficient approximation(?)
Revolutionary motion and the non-coplanar axes of the earth's rotation
and the axis of revolution are missing elements. I agree with Rochelle
and Julian that the present rx should possibly be renamed according to
the force applied to it; without making an excursionary leap to a
multifactorial entity which is probably more complex than a single
newtonian spinning force. But maybe there is more information that we
don't know about the making of the rx.
A more tenable method to approximate what she is after may be to use a
centrifuging sample (motion 1, representing planetary ROTATION) that is
in turn attached to a track device which moves the attached centrifuge
in the appropriate elliptical path (motion 2, representing planetary
REVOLUTION). The track device would be better than a second centrifuge.
The difference between circular and elliptical is the speedup of
revolution around the poles of the ellipse, an important factor which we
experience; and should not be overlooked. Also, the centrifuge
(rotation) would need to
be offset in space relative to the plane of rotation, mimicking the
earth's tilt angle (which on the actual earth has the effect of creating
seasonal variation in addition to other effects); and also the relation
of that tilt angle to the position in the orbit. Precession of the tilt
axis need not be included in a remedy made for the present tilt
relationship and angle. But making another version of the remedy which
included an entire cycle of precession of the tilt axis ( in reality a
cycle of 25, 850 years) would be interesting, as it would encompass a
simulation of what is
called a "Great Year" in terms of the forces involved in such a cycle.
The resulting approximation of revolutionary AND rotatory motion
simultaneously would more closely approximate the motion of the planet
in a system which provides the context for what we experience as TIME.
The appropriately scaled actual and relative rotation RATES and rotatory
SENSES of both types of motion would need to be employed to accurate
mimic of planetary motion. The experiment location if done without
shielding would of course be bathed in all other forces we experience
here (electromagnetic, newtonian, and thermodynamic; and the various
etheric valences and
non-hertzian forces;--thus making it a pretty accurate portrayal of what
we experience here on earth as motion through space, which arguably IS
the forcing function for "Time". I would like to see her make the
remedy in the latter way, and call it "Earth Motion" or "Planetary
Motion"; or, (after more research and the blessing of someone like John
Hagelin, particle physicist formerly of CERN and now at Maharishi
University in Iowa) perhaps "Time".
rochelle wrote:
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These are inventive provings; and provide very intriguing possibilities.
Many of the rx introduced by Nuala Eising have already proven very
useful (Granite-Connaught, Vacuum, Fire (Ignis) (the best rx for burns
in many cases, equalling or surpassing Cantharis as a first
measure)--to mention just a few of her provings.).
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The Validity of Remedies made from Physical Sources (emanations or
forces) (As distinct from Chemical Sources)
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Nuala has very interesting ideas and proves many physically based
remedies of basic forces and influences. Personally I see this as
exciting and absolutely needed. I see no reason (especially in
homeopathy, based as much on physical chemistry principles than
valence-based chemistry) why we should overlook remedies made from
physical processes and emanations. That they should be called
"imponderables" shows a materialistic bias which is not only
incongruous, but prejudiced---freedom from which is demanded by true
science, true justice in law, and proper social intercourse--and
which is of course paramount in successful case taking and analysis.
Sunlight, moonlight, fire, and centripetal force, for example; are no
more imponderable than any chemical. We could ponder their absence
without any scientific inquiry (!) as it would be very noticeable. So
why are they "imponderable"? The discipline of physics has pondered
these and many other physical processes to the nth degree for centuries
and knows as much about them as we do about chemicals. The name was
appended by someone apologetically; with the bias of medicine and
society in mind, and it is a
materialistic bias indeed. Life is ceaselessly bathed in physical (and
what are termed metaphysical) processes. Nuala is perfectly correct in
expanding the materia medica in this fashion, and I would say that it is
past due.
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Remedies made from Meta-physical Sources
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What now might be called imponderable by some on a bit more logical
grounds are remedies such as Berlin Wall, made from non-hertzian
emanations in the absence of reference to the physical substance that
contains them. Berlin Wall considers the chemical component of the wall
material to be only a carrier (alcohol set on top of the wall during its
dismantling might have been more accurate). All remedies made on earth
are exposed to non-hertzian emanations (some might call them
astrological forcing functions). The Berlin Wall is an attempt to
successfully capture emanations from
a mass of human beings in a particular context. The premise is
probably that the intensive mass thought forms over a few decades that
related to the boundary that the wall created between two halves of the
same german public were collected in the wall. Mass recognition of the
boundary and its meaning is assumed to have been captured in the
structure of the wall. The idea was to then attempt to categorize the
tone of the emanations via doing provings (I believe a proving at least
of some type if not fully Hahnemannian was done with this rx) and
gaining clinical experience
with the remedy. Probably the expectation was that the proved rx action
on humans would somehow involve the theme of limitation of freedom of
travel, political limitations, etc and thus be applicable in such
clients (oppression and limitation, perceived or real are not an
uncommon clinical situation of course). As well, the physical maladies
associated with such a state could potentially become known via the
provings and clinical experience.
See http://www.biolumanetics.net/tantalus/C ... inWall.htm
for a quality exposition of clinical experience with Berlin Wall, which
seems to bear out the hypothesis that some thematic emanation was indeed
captured in it which seems to have overshadowed the chemical
composition---the intensity of its ascribed meaning.
Non-hertzian emanations (certainly one category of meta-physical
emanations)--for many people (for example astrologers) are not at all
imponderable. Astrologers use astronomical information to know the
relative and absolute timing of the interferometry of planetary
emanations which are not at the moment widely measured by instruments,
nor even considered to exist by the current religion of the dominant
cultures of the race. But study of these emanations (in the hands of
the right methods and practitioner) can describe the thematic nature and
timing of someone's "fate program"
(events, constitutional susceptibility, illnesses, etc). Such
emanations are quite amenable to investigation and ponderable by
INFERENCE. Astrological inference is similar in some ways to
homeopathic inference, which uses outward symptoms, signs, and
psychological comparison between a client and proving/clinical data. We
cannot see the "spirit-like" dynamis that we are affecting, yet we can
use our knowledge of patterns to identify a matrix of symptoms that may
be usable clues and match a remedy to it that has a facsimile of that pattern.
In similar fashion, astrological inferential science, some 3000 years
old, has empirically made meaningful connections between the planetary
positions and patterns in a particular timeframe and their expression
over time in a human life, life of a nation, or any other living entity.
The inference extends to the understanding of the nature of the
non-hertzian emanation of each planet, how each apparent sky sector
modifies that emanation, and how each sector on the planet receives the
pattern as it has been expressed in the organs and meridians of the
human, and their "field" of
activity. An organism during birth and gestation takes on
characteristics of the field in force during that time as a "fate
program"--this program becomes triggered by the planetary emanation
fields during its lifetime--- each unique pattern is impacted by the
march of "time" (planetary motion). As in any science, the value of the
information derived is only as good as its interpreter or analyzer. The
homeopathic science is testable in seeing the client-remedy match bear
out in results on the observed "complaints" and measurable diseases,
with statistical significance. The
astrological science is testable in seeing expected constitutional
susceptibilities bear out in disease; and by observing events unfold
that match what is expected by the indications of that discipline, also
with statistical significance.
So, in reality, even meta-physical emanations (thought forms, emotions,
expressions of life force, geomantic remedies)--are not necessarily "imponderable".
Calling any remedy made from widely studied forces "imponderable"
prejudicially, when our own pharmaceutical method is barely understood,
is illogical. We widely give remedies which are an energetic imprint
within physical structure instead of the physical structure itself.
Our (potentized) remedies are more physical than chemical, and are
likely to be non-hertzian (meta-physical) in nature. What we are
treating (the "spirit-like" dynamis) is certainly considered
meta-physical. It is POOR TERMINOLOGY to call a remedy exponent any
more imponderable than the pharmaceutical
method we ourselves use and the medium we are affecting with our
treatment. And-- our pharmaceutical technique is in fact also quite
ponderable, and is the subject of many books such as those recently
cited all in one place by "Dr. J" of our list:
- Bellavite and Signori: The Emerging Science of Homeopathy
- Delinick: Homeotherapeutics
- Michel Schiff: The Memory of Water
- Madeleine Bastide: books and articles
- Endler and Schulte: Ultra High dilutions
- Doutrempuich: Ultra Low doses
- Resch & Gutman: Scientific Foundations of Homeopathy
and articles including :
http://www.hpathy.com/RESEARCH/how_does ... y_work.asp
(by list member Brian Connolly)
The topic of the human "spirit -like" energetic constitution has been
manipulated via acupuncture and moxibustion; and studied and pondered
by Chinese medicine practitioners for perhaps some 5000 years, just as
one example. Parts of the human spiritual form are viewable in real
time or photograph with a kirlian camera and other methods. So the
human energetic constitution is not "imponderable", either.
I suggest we eliminate the term "imponderable" from use in homeopathic
science, as it is anachronistic and prejudiced to a way of understanding
reality that is not congruent with the mechanism we use every day.
Before it is proved or used clinically as a potentized remedy, even
table salt is "imponderable", having characteristic effects not obvious
nor expected. Use of the term "imponderable" only to designate remedies
that are not chemical in origin is a categorization error that is
illogical to the point of creating a contradiction for new students of homeopathy.
Probably better terms would be (for example):
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Existing Terms:
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*Biological
--Animals
--Plants
--Fungi
--Nosodes, Pathogens, and Microorganisms (Bacteria, Protozoans, Viruses,
Prions, etc)
--Sarcodes and biochemicals
*Elemental
--Elements and Compounds
--Mineral Complexes (rocks and waters)
*Imponderables
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Proposed Change:
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Substitute for "Imponderables" by creating a category "Forces" and
breaking it into two categories:
--Physical Forces
--Metaphysical Forces
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*Forces
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Physical Forces:
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--Electromagnetic Spectrum (ex. Fire; x-Ray; Venus (planet reflected
light through telescope-this has a proving BTW (quality of it unknown) at
http://www.btinternet.com/~wellmother/venusbase.htm
--Newtonian Force (ex. Centripetal Force)
--Other Force categories as applicable (e.g. other atomic forces not
covered by the above; subatomic "particles" (quarks, positrons, etc)) if
not covered by the above Cosmic forces like muons, etc)
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Metaphysical (eg Non-Hertzian) Forces:
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--Thought form (e.g. projected thought images or feeling tone
intensities (e.g. anger, love etc); focused by a mind or minds-- or
otherwise captured on a vial of alcohol or other carrier maybe Berlin
Wall is partly in this category)
--Geomantic (e.g. physical landscape components with alleged or actual
inherent energetic significance that may override their actual
chemistry-- ex.--Berlin Wall or Stonehenge)
--Other Force categories as applicable (such as "paranormal" phenomena, etc)
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I propose that the term "imponderable" is an apology to materialist
thinkers, is somewhat anti-intellectual and anti-scientific, and should
not be perpetuated as a term in the science of Homeopathy. Whether or
not it is "politically correct" in helping or hindering the acceptance
of homeopathic medicine, changes of this nature should be embraced to
update our terminology and make it more logically consistent.
Best to All,
Andy