In einer eMail vom 15.07.04 05:14:15 (MEZ) - Mitteleurop. Sommerzeit schreibt
shannonnelson@tds.net:
<< I have both had and given sepia as a "layer", and been profoundly grateful
for it! But neither I nor the other person seems to "be sepia" in a deep
way.
But I am interested to hear why you feel it cannot be a "layer"?
Shannon
15.7.4.
Sepia, although being only tuberculinic and not trimiasmatic like Lycopodium,
is a very big remedy, very complex almost like Lycopodium, too big to be a
layer. It has layers before itself - Ph, Na-mur, Iodum, or so. All these
sea-related remedies.
Sepia is always constitutional and it is authentic, from birth, or becomes
Sepia usually after Pulsatilla in the younger years.
It is quite often, mainly women. The Pulsatilla-Sepia development is frequent.
Sepia is very interesting and quite easy because it has many specifics. The
derangement, the idea, lies in the disturbance of sexuality/sexual hormones and
the consequences.
Vitiligo, back to this, is definitely a luesinic sign and has nothing to do
with Sepia or whatever was offered here. Sepia is tuberculinic or under
"tuberculinic" roof.
Kind regards, Dr.medic. Viorel V. Bucur (www.dr-bucur.com).
materia medica
Re: materia medica
I share your frustration, Rhonda, after trying to do a differential on
psoriasis. Such paltry descriptions-- and all over the place--with very
little to distinguish among them. Still, you might look more closely at
Sanicula aq., which can look like Nat-m. mixed with other minerals.
Peace,
Cinnabar
psoriasis. Such paltry descriptions-- and all over the place--with very
little to distinguish among them. Still, you might look more closely at
Sanicula aq., which can look like Nat-m. mixed with other minerals.
Peace,
Cinnabar
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Re: materia medica
Oh dear, terminology problems again...
on 7/15/04 4:50 AM, VBLUES@aol.com at VBLUES@aol.com wrote:
...
But if Sep has developed out of Puls, then once Sep has done all it can do
for that person, they will (presumably, following the path of returning old
symptoms) heal back into the prior Puls state. By my understanding, then,
Sepia was a "layer" on top of Puls. What is your meaning of "layer"?
???
Shannon
on 7/15/04 4:50 AM, VBLUES@aol.com at VBLUES@aol.com wrote:
...
But if Sep has developed out of Puls, then once Sep has done all it can do
for that person, they will (presumably, following the path of returning old
symptoms) heal back into the prior Puls state. By my understanding, then,
Sepia was a "layer" on top of Puls. What is your meaning of "layer"?
???
Shannon
Re: materia medica
In einer eMail vom 16.07.04 00:50:02 (MEZ) - Mitteleurop. Sommerzeit schreibt
shannonnelson@tds.net:
<< Oh dear, terminology problems again...
on 7/15/04 4:50 AM, VBLUES@aol.com at VBLUES@aol.com wrote:
...
But if Sep has developed out of Puls, then once Sep has done all it can do
for that person, they will (presumably, following the path of returning old
symptoms) heal back into the prior Puls state. By my understanding, then,
Sepia was a "layer" on top of Puls. What is your meaning of "layer"?
???
Shannon
16.7.4.
There is no such thing backwards. Pulsatilla becoming or switching (a better
term) to Sepia is frequent, usually happening when these persons, mostly
women, are around their forties, so between 35 and 45. Why it is so, I do not know,
of course, so I do not know why Ca-ca becomes Lycopodium or Ph Carcinosynum
(a Schmidt remedy, actually ... we just had him) or Ph to Graphites, etc., etc.
We operate (still) empirical, so are taking something into account,
observating it meticulously but cannot explain WHY it happens as such. It IS just so -
period.
The thing with returning of symptoms is different. This is the Hering law,
applying IN the case, while the constitutional switch happens above or under
this level, in THE level of that person, in the core of it. He/she just changes
as a person, as a whole, while the Hering law, usually going back up to 10-12
years or so in the persons life, is "inside" not "outside". This observation
was great and extremely lucid, my favourite term. Meeting this person 10-15
years later, gievs you the impression he is but somehow he or she is not the same
anymore. Something has changed.
You have to know that the whole health/disease/medicine thing - no matter
what medicine we are talking about - is a matter of memory, of recording
somewhere in the body, at some level. So, for ex., if a non-smoker smokes just 1
cigarette once and never again, this cigarette will be remembered in the body
somewhere, so he will never be like a true nonsmoker ever after as he was before. A
line will be drawn somewhere in the system. This cigarette will not make him
sick (unless he gets acute nicotine intoxication) but she will be noted
somewhere.
So this is what Hering obviously THEN understood, which was very far away for
the time he was living in.
I admit that there is a "grey" zone in this switch and that the case-taking
in a Pulsatilla-Sepia thing for ex., must be carefully made to understand WHEN
the switch took place and what symptom belongs to which remedy. The change in
sexuality and some other habits would be, well, essential. This is difficult.
LAYER is something overlapped on the constitutional thing. There may be 1 or
2 or even 3 sometimes. But there is always something else BEHIND coming up.
Kind regards, Dr.medic. Viorel V. Bucur (www.dr-bucur.com).
shannonnelson@tds.net:
<< Oh dear, terminology problems again...
on 7/15/04 4:50 AM, VBLUES@aol.com at VBLUES@aol.com wrote:
...
But if Sep has developed out of Puls, then once Sep has done all it can do
for that person, they will (presumably, following the path of returning old
symptoms) heal back into the prior Puls state. By my understanding, then,
Sepia was a "layer" on top of Puls. What is your meaning of "layer"?
???
Shannon
16.7.4.
There is no such thing backwards. Pulsatilla becoming or switching (a better
term) to Sepia is frequent, usually happening when these persons, mostly
women, are around their forties, so between 35 and 45. Why it is so, I do not know,
of course, so I do not know why Ca-ca becomes Lycopodium or Ph Carcinosynum
(a Schmidt remedy, actually ... we just had him) or Ph to Graphites, etc., etc.
We operate (still) empirical, so are taking something into account,
observating it meticulously but cannot explain WHY it happens as such. It IS just so -
period.
The thing with returning of symptoms is different. This is the Hering law,
applying IN the case, while the constitutional switch happens above or under
this level, in THE level of that person, in the core of it. He/she just changes
as a person, as a whole, while the Hering law, usually going back up to 10-12
years or so in the persons life, is "inside" not "outside". This observation
was great and extremely lucid, my favourite term. Meeting this person 10-15
years later, gievs you the impression he is but somehow he or she is not the same
anymore. Something has changed.
You have to know that the whole health/disease/medicine thing - no matter
what medicine we are talking about - is a matter of memory, of recording
somewhere in the body, at some level. So, for ex., if a non-smoker smokes just 1
cigarette once and never again, this cigarette will be remembered in the body
somewhere, so he will never be like a true nonsmoker ever after as he was before. A
line will be drawn somewhere in the system. This cigarette will not make him
sick (unless he gets acute nicotine intoxication) but she will be noted
somewhere.
So this is what Hering obviously THEN understood, which was very far away for
the time he was living in.
I admit that there is a "grey" zone in this switch and that the case-taking
in a Pulsatilla-Sepia thing for ex., must be carefully made to understand WHEN
the switch took place and what symptom belongs to which remedy. The change in
sexuality and some other habits would be, well, essential. This is difficult.
LAYER is something overlapped on the constitutional thing. There may be 1 or
2 or even 3 sometimes. But there is always something else BEHIND coming up.
Kind regards, Dr.medic. Viorel V. Bucur (www.dr-bucur.com).
Re: materia medica
In einer eMail vom 13.07.04 06:04:04 (MEZ) - Mitteleurop. Sommerzeit schreibt
hahnemannian2002@yahoo.com:
>
16.7.4.
This is absolute bogus - I am sorry and it is NOT personal meant, but
exclusively stuff oriented arguing, to make it clear. So please do NOT get it in the
wrong way.
You can not state that if Sepia is a colour in nature or used as such, it
must have a relationship with vitilligo, a pigment skin derangement with which it
has no homeopathical relationsship, due to the fact that Sepia is
tuberculinic and Vitilligo is a typical luesinic sign= THIS is real homeopathy,
observations, for hundreds of years and not fantasy or something.
THIS kind of rationing, of thinking and of linking things, produces nothing
but confusion and puts everything that deals with homeopathy, in the opinion of
the others, in a strange light not to say suspicious ...
As one can not state that if Ph is yellow, it produces jaundice. It was seen
in Sweden in the match factories, that workers in contact with a lot of Ph got
liver diseases with jaundice, because Ph is toxic in bigger quantities for
the liver - THIS is a different argument than the first one in case of Ph. And
so on.
Sepia has skin problems sometimes, in the face, on the cheeks as it has a
little to fatty skin, sometimes even shiny, so these women usually use a lot of
powder to cover this. But this is a totally different thing, approach.
There are similar stories with Lycopodium, which actually is used in making
allopathic medicine, the powder of it, in the fabrication of tablets and pills,
but the homeopathical Lycopodium is a totally different story.
Should we maybe say that Lycopodium, BECAUSE being used in the fabrication of
all sorts of allopathic tablets, is a good remedy with such a wide range?
God, no! No such link, please.
(Very) kind regards otherwise, Dr.medic. Viorel V. Bucur (www.dr-bucur.com).
hahnemannian2002@yahoo.com:
>
16.7.4.
This is absolute bogus - I am sorry and it is NOT personal meant, but
exclusively stuff oriented arguing, to make it clear. So please do NOT get it in the
wrong way.
You can not state that if Sepia is a colour in nature or used as such, it
must have a relationship with vitilligo, a pigment skin derangement with which it
has no homeopathical relationsship, due to the fact that Sepia is
tuberculinic and Vitilligo is a typical luesinic sign= THIS is real homeopathy,
observations, for hundreds of years and not fantasy or something.
THIS kind of rationing, of thinking and of linking things, produces nothing
but confusion and puts everything that deals with homeopathy, in the opinion of
the others, in a strange light not to say suspicious ...
As one can not state that if Ph is yellow, it produces jaundice. It was seen
in Sweden in the match factories, that workers in contact with a lot of Ph got
liver diseases with jaundice, because Ph is toxic in bigger quantities for
the liver - THIS is a different argument than the first one in case of Ph. And
so on.
Sepia has skin problems sometimes, in the face, on the cheeks as it has a
little to fatty skin, sometimes even shiny, so these women usually use a lot of
powder to cover this. But this is a totally different thing, approach.
There are similar stories with Lycopodium, which actually is used in making
allopathic medicine, the powder of it, in the fabrication of tablets and pills,
but the homeopathical Lycopodium is a totally different story.
Should we maybe say that Lycopodium, BECAUSE being used in the fabrication of
all sorts of allopathic tablets, is a good remedy with such a wide range?
God, no! No such link, please.
(Very) kind regards otherwise, Dr.medic. Viorel V. Bucur (www.dr-bucur.com).
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Re: materia medica
16.7.4.
[...]
Sepia is tuberculinic and Vitilligo is a typical luesinic sign= THIS is real
homeopathy
[...]
Dear Dr. Bucur:
I very much enjoy reading your mails. Nevertheless, from time to time some
question pops up in my mind, just as in this case.
You stated that "Sepia is tuberculinic." Well, I have also seen it
classified differently (sycotic). As you are well aware, the concept of
miasms could be so useful in therapy and for remedy finding, if there were a
clear-cut, commonly agreed upon concept. Unfortunately, this does not
exist.
There are people who consider miasms as being "infectious diseases" in their
nature, others postulate that miasms can be transmitted horizontally
(infection/infestation) and vertically (inheritance). Others consider them
to merely be intellectual concepts (without substance in reality) helping us
to classify remedies and to reduce our workload in finding of the
simillimum. Some believe that miasms are inclinations, tendencies,
dispositions, "Anlagen" or whatever, that is, neither infectious nor
horizontally transmissible.
The crux is that there is not even some agreement on the number of miasms.
Some stick to the three or four original ones, others have developed systems
of 10 (or perhaps even more?) varieties.Others even appear to be quite happy
without wasting a single thought about them.
So, when you state, "this or that symptom is syphilitic or sycotic," what
are your criteria? What is your definition? Do you recognize miasms such as
acute, cancer, AIDS, typhoid, malarial, ringworm, etc.? How do you classify
remedies according to miasms? Does one single remedy only pertain to one
single miasm or may they be poly-miasmatic in their nature (Calc, Lyc?).
So, we find ourselves (at least I do) in a situation that when somebody
takes the word "miasm" in their mouth, we actually have to ask, "what do you
mean by this?"
I would appreciate very much if you could enlarge on the subject.
Best regards,
Hans
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[...]
Sepia is tuberculinic and Vitilligo is a typical luesinic sign= THIS is real
homeopathy
[...]
Dear Dr. Bucur:
I very much enjoy reading your mails. Nevertheless, from time to time some
question pops up in my mind, just as in this case.
You stated that "Sepia is tuberculinic." Well, I have also seen it
classified differently (sycotic). As you are well aware, the concept of
miasms could be so useful in therapy and for remedy finding, if there were a
clear-cut, commonly agreed upon concept. Unfortunately, this does not
exist.
There are people who consider miasms as being "infectious diseases" in their
nature, others postulate that miasms can be transmitted horizontally
(infection/infestation) and vertically (inheritance). Others consider them
to merely be intellectual concepts (without substance in reality) helping us
to classify remedies and to reduce our workload in finding of the
simillimum. Some believe that miasms are inclinations, tendencies,
dispositions, "Anlagen" or whatever, that is, neither infectious nor
horizontally transmissible.
The crux is that there is not even some agreement on the number of miasms.
Some stick to the three or four original ones, others have developed systems
of 10 (or perhaps even more?) varieties.Others even appear to be quite happy
without wasting a single thought about them.
So, when you state, "this or that symptom is syphilitic or sycotic," what
are your criteria? What is your definition? Do you recognize miasms such as
acute, cancer, AIDS, typhoid, malarial, ringworm, etc.? How do you classify
remedies according to miasms? Does one single remedy only pertain to one
single miasm or may they be poly-miasmatic in their nature (Calc, Lyc?).
So, we find ourselves (at least I do) in a situation that when somebody
takes the word "miasm" in their mouth, we actually have to ask, "what do you
mean by this?"
I would appreciate very much if you could enlarge on the subject.
Best regards,
Hans
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Re: materia medica
At 7:00 AM -0400 7/16/04, VBLUES@aol.com wrote:
[snip]
It is the lycopodium SPORES that are used for making pilkls-- more in
the older times than now-- when a compound of medicine was rolled in
lycopodium to give it a "slippery" coating to make it go down easier.
A few years ago I saw an item in the news that they were using
lycopodium powder (spores) to coat latex condoms so they would unroll
easily-- and that the company that was doing so stopped after a
number of complaints from users that it was giving them a bad rash on
their penis.
Most interesting, and somewhat amusing, when one thinks of the
"picture" of lycopodium!
JW
[snip]
It is the lycopodium SPORES that are used for making pilkls-- more in
the older times than now-- when a compound of medicine was rolled in
lycopodium to give it a "slippery" coating to make it go down easier.
A few years ago I saw an item in the news that they were using
lycopodium powder (spores) to coat latex condoms so they would unroll
easily-- and that the company that was doing so stopped after a
number of complaints from users that it was giving them a bad rash on
their penis.
Most interesting, and somewhat amusing, when one thinks of the
"picture" of lycopodium!
JW
Re: materia medica
In einer eMail vom 16.07.04 17:59:12 (MEZ) - Mitteleurop. Sommerzeit schreibt
cecitor@etapaonline.net.ec:
<< 16.7.4.
[...]
Sepia is tuberculinic and Vitilligo is a typical luesinic sign= THIS is real
homeopathy
[...]
Dear Dr. Bucur:
I very much enjoy reading your mails. Nevertheless, from time to time some
question pops up in my mind, just as in this case.
You stated that "Sepia is tuberculinic." Well, I have also seen it
classified differently (sycotic). As you are well aware, the concept of
miasms could be so useful in therapy and for remedy finding, if there were a
clear-cut, commonly agreed upon concept. Unfortunately, this does not
exist.
There are people who consider miasms as being "infectious diseases" in their
nature, others postulate that miasms can be transmitted horizontally
(infection/infestation) and vertically (inheritance). Others consider them
to merely be intellectual concepts (without substance in reality) helping us
to classify remedies and to reduce our workload in finding of the
simillimum. Some believe that miasms are inclinations, tendencies,
dispositions, "Anlagen" or whatever, that is, neither infectious nor
horizontally transmissible.
The crux is that there is not even some agreement on the number of miasms.
Some stick to the three or four original ones, others have developed systems
of 10 (or perhaps even more?) varieties.Others even appear to be quite happy
without wasting a single thought about them.
So, when you state, "this or that symptom is syphilitic or sycotic," what
are your criteria? What is your definition? Do you recognize miasms such as
acute, cancer, AIDS, typhoid, malarial, ringworm, etc.? How do you classify
remedies according to miasms? Does one single remedy only pertain to one
single miasm or may they be poly-miasmatic in their nature (Calc, Lyc?).
So, we find ourselves (at least I do) in a situation that when somebody
takes the word "miasm" in their mouth, we actually have to ask, "what do you
mean by this?"
I would appreciate very much if you could enlarge on the subject.
Best regards,
Hans
19.7.4.
Thank you for your kind comment, in the first place.
Well, I see miasms as vertical inheritance ("Anlage" is good term) and
Carcinosynum seems to be a miasm for itself. So, Sepia is tuberculinic because it
has all the signs in common with the other tuberculinic remedies - a common
base, a common bunch of signs - plus the own, specific ones.
Vitilligo is a luesinic sign. This is, to me at least, basic knowledge. This
is the reason why I wrote that "this is homeopathy", because it belongs to the
basic knowledge somebody learns or should learn at the very beginning or at
least I did so.
The mono -bi -tri- miasmatic remedies - yes, here I have a problem too.
Lycopodium, probably the widest from them all, usually classified as "trimiasmatic"
therefore.
Things are unclear to myself - didactical - when we are coming to the
evolvement of Ph to Carcinosynum. Ph, in the past classic tuberculinic, is also a
big tumor remedy nowadays, so clearly luesinic or becomes Carcinosynum, a new
miasm for itself. We would have a miasm switch from tuberculinic to carcinosinic
or maybe we have also original, authentic carcinosinics as early as
childhood, something some distinguished homepaths already state. There are signs in
this direction already described like the eyes, early extreme sensitivity, early
extreme musicality, etc.
This debate is academic and with restrained practical importance in the first
place, because if the case is Carcinosynum or Ph or Lycopodium, than he gets
the remedy, no matter of the miasm. But it is interesting to follow.
I believe that the best approach in the non-miasmatic one, just finding out
the remedy no matter which one it is and use the miasm theory and things around
it just for orientation in the first place, for a only rude, blurred
classification of a patient - which big group he might belong to, as an additional
information for solving the case but not more.
Kind regards, Dr.medic. Viorel V. Bucur (www.dr-bucur.com).
cecitor@etapaonline.net.ec:
<< 16.7.4.
[...]
Sepia is tuberculinic and Vitilligo is a typical luesinic sign= THIS is real
homeopathy
[...]
Dear Dr. Bucur:
I very much enjoy reading your mails. Nevertheless, from time to time some
question pops up in my mind, just as in this case.
You stated that "Sepia is tuberculinic." Well, I have also seen it
classified differently (sycotic). As you are well aware, the concept of
miasms could be so useful in therapy and for remedy finding, if there were a
clear-cut, commonly agreed upon concept. Unfortunately, this does not
exist.
There are people who consider miasms as being "infectious diseases" in their
nature, others postulate that miasms can be transmitted horizontally
(infection/infestation) and vertically (inheritance). Others consider them
to merely be intellectual concepts (without substance in reality) helping us
to classify remedies and to reduce our workload in finding of the
simillimum. Some believe that miasms are inclinations, tendencies,
dispositions, "Anlagen" or whatever, that is, neither infectious nor
horizontally transmissible.
The crux is that there is not even some agreement on the number of miasms.
Some stick to the three or four original ones, others have developed systems
of 10 (or perhaps even more?) varieties.Others even appear to be quite happy
without wasting a single thought about them.
So, when you state, "this or that symptom is syphilitic or sycotic," what
are your criteria? What is your definition? Do you recognize miasms such as
acute, cancer, AIDS, typhoid, malarial, ringworm, etc.? How do you classify
remedies according to miasms? Does one single remedy only pertain to one
single miasm or may they be poly-miasmatic in their nature (Calc, Lyc?).
So, we find ourselves (at least I do) in a situation that when somebody
takes the word "miasm" in their mouth, we actually have to ask, "what do you
mean by this?"
I would appreciate very much if you could enlarge on the subject.
Best regards,
Hans
19.7.4.
Thank you for your kind comment, in the first place.
Well, I see miasms as vertical inheritance ("Anlage" is good term) and
Carcinosynum seems to be a miasm for itself. So, Sepia is tuberculinic because it
has all the signs in common with the other tuberculinic remedies - a common
base, a common bunch of signs - plus the own, specific ones.
Vitilligo is a luesinic sign. This is, to me at least, basic knowledge. This
is the reason why I wrote that "this is homeopathy", because it belongs to the
basic knowledge somebody learns or should learn at the very beginning or at
least I did so.
The mono -bi -tri- miasmatic remedies - yes, here I have a problem too.
Lycopodium, probably the widest from them all, usually classified as "trimiasmatic"
therefore.
Things are unclear to myself - didactical - when we are coming to the
evolvement of Ph to Carcinosynum. Ph, in the past classic tuberculinic, is also a
big tumor remedy nowadays, so clearly luesinic or becomes Carcinosynum, a new
miasm for itself. We would have a miasm switch from tuberculinic to carcinosinic
or maybe we have also original, authentic carcinosinics as early as
childhood, something some distinguished homepaths already state. There are signs in
this direction already described like the eyes, early extreme sensitivity, early
extreme musicality, etc.
This debate is academic and with restrained practical importance in the first
place, because if the case is Carcinosynum or Ph or Lycopodium, than he gets
the remedy, no matter of the miasm. But it is interesting to follow.
I believe that the best approach in the non-miasmatic one, just finding out
the remedy no matter which one it is and use the miasm theory and things around
it just for orientation in the first place, for a only rude, blurred
classification of a patient - which big group he might belong to, as an additional
information for solving the case but not more.
Kind regards, Dr.medic. Viorel V. Bucur (www.dr-bucur.com).
-
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Re: materia medica
Dear Dr. Bucur:
Thank you very much.
So, you stick to (I think it was) Hering's pragmatic approach who stated
something like: why bother about miasms if you have to find the simillimum
anyway?
>
It becomes important when we consider the advice of opening or closing a
chronic case *always* with a nosode (or use it as an intercurrent). So, when
using such a nosode, you have to have quite a clear idea of the miasm.
Unfortunately, even the classification of nosodes according to miasms is not
so clear at all. Is Medorrhinum sycotic or tubercular or both? In any case,
what has gonorrhea to do with the figwart disease...
Best regards,
Hans
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Thank you very much.
So, you stick to (I think it was) Hering's pragmatic approach who stated
something like: why bother about miasms if you have to find the simillimum
anyway?
>
It becomes important when we consider the advice of opening or closing a
chronic case *always* with a nosode (or use it as an intercurrent). So, when
using such a nosode, you have to have quite a clear idea of the miasm.
Unfortunately, even the classification of nosodes according to miasms is not
so clear at all. Is Medorrhinum sycotic or tubercular or both? In any case,
what has gonorrhea to do with the figwart disease...
Best regards,
Hans
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