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jill_j2804
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Re: Dyspraxia Case

Post by jill_j2804 »

Dear Minutus Members,
I would appreciate some help with a difficult case. I have the
parent's permission to present this case.
8 year old female diagnosed with dyspraxia. Mother told that
orthodox treament cannot help and daughter goes to the hospital
occasionally for occupational therapy. Mother has just had a second
opinion from another Specialist and child is booked in to have an MRI.
Symptoms - Poor co-ordination skills. Trips and falls easily.
Always covered in bruises. Difficulty judging distances and always
banging into things. Clumsy.
Drops things. Messy eater - misses her mouth with a spoon.
Problems tying shoe laces, zips and buttons. Difficulty retaining
things, especially maths - learns by rote. Messy writer. Reads
well. Listening skills ok, but doesn't always concentrate. Fine
motor skills ok. Does not appear to feel pain.
Walks with a wide gait, body and head thrust forward with arms
stretched out in front. Walks heavy and quickly. Muscle tone
weak. Right leg reflex not as strong as left side. Right side
floppier. Sits on the floor with thighs together and right arm bent
into her body. Hypermobility of hips. Left handed. Mother said
she has a protruding tongue but I didn't notice this sx.
Pregnancy unexpected - very anti for the whole 9/12 and she suffered
from morning sickness for 9 months. Daughter born 38 weeks, water
broke, 36 hr. labour. No forceps. 6lb. Born floppy and purple.
Apgar 4 or 5, and went up to 8 when given oxygen. Mother
haemorrhaged so was out to it.(Doctor forgot to give her an injection
to prevent haemorrhaging - she had haemorrhaged with previous
pregnancies). Breast fed 6/12. Baby suffered from chronic reflux
and was hospitalised and given an endoscopy. Reflux stopped when
9/12 old. Never complained.
Youngest of 4 children. Likes time to herself. Imagination -
makes up own game with 1 toy for hours and talks to herself when
playing. Well behaved in class - teacher said she is a delight to
have in the class. Not shy. Hopeless at sport. Loves the
water, but poor co-ordination swimming.
Fear of falling and loud noises. Not afraid of the dark - does not
like light in her eyes.
Not affectionate. Mother has to ask for a hug.
Doesn't need a lot of sleep. Wakes happy. Cold feet and hands in
bed. Tendency to colds - developed mild asthma at 12 months. Gets
exhausted after working on the trampoline or having her legs
massaged. No adverse reactions to vaccinations according to her
mother.
Family history - Paternal side - cancer. Maternal side - heart,
R.A. Parkinsons.
This young girl's brother has ADHD, one male cousin has ADHD and 2
male cousins have Aspergers.
Have tried Causticum, Calc Carb and Hellebore with no reaction. Any
suggestions would be most appreciated.
Many thanks, Jay


d_barbara_hamilton
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Re: Dyspraxia Case

Post by d_barbara_hamilton »

Hi Jay,

If Caust is there, sometimes they are confused with Phos? He sounds
more phossy on reading, but I haven't been in his presence.
These rubrics, on an elimination, give Phos as the only remedy -

MIND; AWKWARDNESS (G8) (71)
MIND; FEAR; general; noise, from (K7, K46, SRI-86, SRI-514, G6,
G37) (55)
MIND; FEAR; general; falling, of (K45, SRI-499, G36) (59)
MIND; INDIFFERENCE, apathy; surroundings, to (SRI-621) (22)

but maybe needs something like Op. first ? (Not 'aware').

L; Limbs; AWKWARDNESS, of; awkwardness, legs; knocks against
things. (8) ***

Other remedies strongly indicated are Stram, Med, Agar and Bar-c
(except the latter is affectionate).

Out-on-a-limb remedies (if you are into Madeline Evans) would include
Okou and Clay, and maybe look at Zinc and possible defiiciency.

Some ideas anyway ... best of luck :-) Barbara

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J Lucas
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Re: Dyspraxia Case

Post by J Lucas »

Sounds a bit like Onosmodium but I think you still need substantial
information to confirm this or any other of the group of 'inco-ordination'
remedies, such as Conium, Aragallus, Oxytropis, Astragalus, to name but a
few - remedies that have a connection between the brain and the lack of
movement control.

What does she look like, her build, how does she sound and talk. How is her
appetite and thirst, are there any cravings, what are bowels and bladder
function like, does she perspire etc etc. Plus some more mental and
emotional sx such as dreams, what makes her cry, does she have a temper and
how does she express her emotions. She likes to be alone but how does she
interact with others. What is it about noise that she fears. What are her
ambitions in life (even 8 year olds have these)

She has some photophobia do you know the reason for this?

Knowing what the common sx of Dyspraxia are is important but you also need
to get outside of that dx to 'see' the characteristics of the individual
underneath..

Hope useful, best wishes, Joy

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Rochelle
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Re: Dyspraxia Case

Post by Rochelle »

The gait and the FH/O Parkinson's made me think of Plumbum. Have just read up about Onosmodium, a remedy I was not familiar with . Very interesting.
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indu masoor
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Re: Dyspraxia Case

Post by indu masoor »

This type of cases donot indicate single simillimum.Disease is deep seated .genitically inherited MIASMATIC combination .It has to be treated along with growth of child .Needs deep acting nosode initially.Then one can try to find right Simillimum. I prescribe deep acting Carcinosin for some time.My method is giving Carcinosin once in month as below.
1st day carcinosin 30 Morning ,Afternoon and Night
2nd day Carcinosin 200,---"as above
3rd day carcinosin 1M ---as above ,
Wait for month and repeat,
In between treat any symptom as develops with low potency of indicated drug
Child shows improvement after 6-8 cycles
Ihope it helps
Ramachandra,
Hyderabad ,INDIA

jill_j2804 wrote:
Dear Minutus Members,

I would appreciate some help with a difficult case. I have the
parent's permission to present this case.

8 year old female diagnosed with dyspraxia. Mother told that
orthodox treament cannot help and daughter goes to the hospital
occasionally for occupational therapy. Mother has just had a second
opinion from another Specialist and child is booked in to have an MRI.

Symptoms - Poor co-ordination skills. Trips and falls easily.
Always covered in bruises. Difficulty judging distances and always
banging into things. Clumsy.
Drops things. Messy eater - misses her mouth with a spoon.
Problems tying shoe laces, zips and buttons. Difficulty retaining
things, especially maths - learns by rote. Messy writer. Reads
well. Listening skills ok, but doesn't always concentrate. Fine
motor skills ok. Does not appear to feel pain.

Walks with a wide gait, body and head thrust forward with arms
stretched out in front. Walks heavy and quickly. Muscle tone
weak. Right leg reflex not as strong as left side. Right side
floppier. Sits on the floor with thighs together and right arm bent
into her body. Hypermobility of hips. Left handed. Mother said
she has a protruding tongue but I didn't notice this sx.

Pregnancy unexpected - very anti for the whole 9/12 and she suffered
from morning sickness for 9 months. Daughter born 38 weeks, water
broke, 36 hr. labour. No forceps. 6lb. Born floppy and purple.
Apgar 4 or 5, and went up to 8 when given oxygen. Mother
haemorrhaged so was out to it.(Doctor forgot to give her an injection
to prevent haemorrhaging - she had haemorrhaged with previous
pregnancies). Breast fed 6/12. Baby suffered from chronic reflux
and was hospitalised and given an endoscopy. Reflux stopped when
9/12 old. Never complained.

Youngest of 4 children. Likes time to herself. Imagination -
makes up own game with 1 toy for hours and talks to herself when
playing. Well behaved in class - teacher said she is a delight to
have in the class. Not shy. Hopeless at sport. Loves the
water, but poor co-ordination swimming.

Fear of falling and loud noises. Not afraid of the dark - does not
like light in her eyes.

Not affectionate. Mother has to ask for a hug.

Doesn't need a lot of sleep. Wakes happy. Cold feet and hands in
bed. Tendency to colds - developed mild asthma at 12 months. Gets
exhausted after working on the trampoline or having her legs
massaged. No adverse reactions to vaccinations according to her
mother.

Family history - Paternal side - cancer. Maternal side - heart,
R.A. Parkinsons.
This young girl's brother has ADHD, one male cousin has ADHD and 2
male cousins have Aspergers.

Have tried Causticum, Calc Carb and Hellebore with no reaction. Any
suggestions would be most appreciated.

Many thanks, Jay
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Shannon Nelson
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Dyspraxia Case

Post by Shannon Nelson »

Hi Ramachandra,

Since my training didn't include this sort of repetition, I feel confused
when I hear it suggested. Carcinosin *is* a deep-acting remedy, and I don't
understand why these multiple repetitions of multiple potencies would be
more appropriate than a single dose of 200, let it run and see whether or
when more is needed? Do you have reason to think that a single dose of 200
would fail to act, or that this regimen will act more quickly or ?? Purely
for my curiosity and desire to understand, could you tel me--do you
*sometimes* give only single doses with a "wait and watch" approach but feel
it's not appropriate for this situation, or do you use multiple doses by
first choice?

Thanks so much!
Shannon

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J Lucas
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Re: Dyspraxia Case

Post by J Lucas »

It is never wise to prescribe on theory like this - the only way is to
prescribe on the indicating symptoms and if there is only ever one single
simillimum (how could there be more than one?) then so be it, however deep
seated it may be.

Encouraging routine prescribing on 'types' of cases is misleading and
unnecessary.

Joy

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jill_j2804
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Re: Dyspraxia Case

Post by jill_j2804 »

Dear Dr Ramachandra

Thank you very much for your advice. It is very much appreciated.
Your suggestion to try Carcinosin is appropriate as I do agree that
it is a Miasmatic problem. However, I am a little apprehensive in
administering Carcinosin so frequently. After discussing the case
with other colleagues (as well as considering your advice) I am
proposing to administer one 200C Carcinosin and reassess the case in
one month's time. This approach is to determine whether the patient
responds appropriately.

Unfortunately it is difficult to establish additional symptoms from
the child as her responses are usually "I don't know" (quietly
spoken). This is where the mother's input has become invaluable.
Additionally, her condition at school is not monitored which hampers
the situation in acquiring further information about her symptoms and
herself. Therefore, it is difficult to establish whether her symptoms
at school are just as bad as they are at home. However, there have
been occasions when she has had a very bad fall and her mother has
been called to collect her from school.

I appreciate the input in this very complex case. It is important
for any family to be proactive with a disorder that affects a child's
learning and co-ordination skills as research has demonstrated that
these children if left untreated become victims of bullies and can
eventually succumb to adolescent depression resulting from poor self
perception. Therefore this family should be commended in their
endeavours in seeking treatment for their child.

I will keep you informed of her progress.

Best wishes, Jay


indu masoor
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Re: Dyspraxia Case

Post by indu masoor »

J Lucas,
I would suggest to refere Aphorisms162 to170.Most of this type of congenital cases does not fit into one single simillimum.These are all one sided Diseases.What ever symptoms ,mental- physical symptoms are depend on -ONE cause ie congenital.Normal at birth ,itself is ABNORMAL. Most of time U may have to treat on miasmatic basis depending on Family history alone .And improvement will not be fast .Improvement comes along with growth of individual.Deapth of disease deepest.Normal polycrests will not be able to change any way.,if at all any change ,will not hold on .I have seen number of cases tried on available symptoms with out considering deapth of disease by other Homoeopaths,failed not only homoeopaths but homoeopathy itself.
I dont know what is Ur experience in treating this type of cases,but with grace of GOD ,
I have treated number of cases of Cerebral Palsy,ADHDs,Mentally backward children,Autistic chldren quite success fully.where Allopathic physicians asked parents to discard the childrens as they are no way useful.
I am of openion we should adopt any technique with out violating basie rules .Medicine applied is SINGLE, in POTENCY only variation U may find ,variation on selection and REPEATION which depends on one's Experience .I found in most of cases medicine's action exhausts much faster compared to normal disease condition .These prescription are rutine because is same that is miasmatic graft and congenital.
Pl feel free to contest.
WithGoodWishes
Ramachandra,
Hyderabad ,INDIA

J Lucas wrote:
It is never wise to prescribe on theory like this - the only way is to
prescribe on the indicating symptoms and if there is only ever one single
simillimum (how could there be more than one?) then so be it, however deep
seated it may be.

Encouraging routine prescribing on 'types' of cases is misleading and
unnecessary.

Joy

http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
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indu masoor
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Re: Dyspraxia Case

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J Lucas,
I would suggest to refere Aphorisms162 to170.Most of this type of congenital cases does not fit into one single simillimum.These are all one sided Diseases.What ever symptoms ,mental- physical symptoms are depend on -ONE cause ie congenital.Normal at birth ,itself is ABNORMAL. Most of time U may have to treat on miasmatic basis depending on Family history alone .And improvement will not be fast .Improvement comes along with growth of individual.Deapth of disease deepest.Normal polycrests will not be able to change any way.,if at all any change ,will not hold on .I have seen number of cases tried on available symptoms with out considering deapth of disease by other Homoeopaths,failed not only homoeopaths but homoeopathy itself.
I dont know what is Ur experience in treating this type of cases,but with grace of GOD ,
I have treated number of cases of Cerebral Palsy,ADHDs,Mentally backward children,Autistic chldren quite success fully.where Allopathic physicians asked parents to discard the childrens as they are no way useful.
I am of openion we should adopt any technique with out violating basie rules .Medicine applied is SINGLE, in POTENCY only variation U may find ,variation on selection and REPEATION which depends on one's Experience .I found in most of cases medicine's action exhausts much faster compared to normal disease condition .These prescription are rutine because is same that is miasmatic graft and congenital.
Pl feel free to contest.
WithGoodWishes
Ramachandra,
Hyderabad ,INDIA

J Lucas wrote:
It is never wise to prescribe on theory like this - the only way is to
prescribe on the indicating symptoms and if there is only ever one single
simillimum (how could there be more than one?) then so be it, however deep
seated it may be.

Encouraging routine prescribing on 'types' of cases is misleading and
unnecessary.

Joy

http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
Clinical Guidance for Homeopaths and Students of Homeopathy!
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