VERY different case

[Alva Irish]

Hi,
I have been approached to help a serial killer.
How should I treat this man?
He is in good health, but is a proven murderer, necrophiliac, cannibal, and ritual corpse mutilator.
He is obsessed with death, and says when he eats human flesh he feels like he has touched God and is not a member of the human race anymore.
Here is his story.
Let me know.
Thanks,
Alva

http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_kill ... tml?sect=3

[Shannon Nelson]

Wow...
How did this come to you, and do you know know what it is he wants help
with, and how he feels about these, er, activities? Is that what he wants
help with, or other things?

Well, I would think you'd be drawing from a small remedy group...
Just for a starting point I did an extraction of rubrics from Androctonos,
because I know it can have *some* of those elements (tho of course can also
be needed for a "regular person" with some painful issues), and was looking
for both rubric and remedy possibilities.

I think Androctonos is definitely worth a look -- do you have information on
that, or want me/us to send some? But you'd definitely want to stay open to
other possibilities too.

Alva, I hope you'll let us know what happens with this!
Best,
Shannon

Some rubrics that seem especially key:

MIND; DESTRUCTIVENESS*: agar., anan., androc., apis, bac., bell., bufo,
calc., camph., cand-a., canth., carbn-s., carc., cham., chlol., cimx., con.,
cupr., cur., fl-ac., gall-ac., haliae-lc., hep., hura, hyos., ign., iod.,
kali-p., lach., laur., lil-t., med., merc-i-f., mosch., nit-ac., nux-v.,
oena., op., phos., plat., plb., prot., sec., sol-t-ae., staph., STRAM.,
stront-c., sulph., tarent., tub., verat., verat-v.

MIND; DETACHED*: adam., androc., bani-c., bell-p., brass-o., choc.,
falco-p., germ., haliae-lc., lac-del., lac-h., lac-lup., lat-h., neon,
ratt-n., vero-o.

MIND; FANCIES; lascivious*: alum., am-c., ambr., anac., androc., arund.,
aur., bell., calad., calc., camph., canth., carb-v., caust., chin., cod.,
con., cop., cub., dig., ephe., graph., hipp., hyos., ign., irid., kali-br.,
lach., lil-t., lyc., lyss., nat-c., nat-m., nuph., nux-v., op., orig.,
orig-v., petr., phos., plat., psor., sang., sel., sep., sil., sin-n.,
staph., stram., tarent., thuj., ust., verat., verb., yuc., zinc.

MIND; INDIFFERENCE, apathy; welfare of others, to*: adam., androc., ars.,
bell-p., cand-a., caust., germ., lach., lap-mar-c., nat-m., nux-v., ozone,
plat., sep., Sulph.

MIND; KILL, desire to*: agar., alco., alum., anac., androc., arg-n., ars.,
ars-i., bani-c., bell., calc., camph., cann-s., chin., chlf., cub., cupr.,
cur., der., haliae-lc., Hep., Hyos., iod., jab., kali-ar., kali-br.,
lac-lup., lach., lyc., lyss., med., meli., merc., nat-s., nux-v., op.,
petr., phos., plat., prot., pseuts-m., rauw., rumx., sec., sil., staph.,
stram., sulfon., sulph., syph., tarent., thea., thuj., thyr., x-ray

MIND; LEWDNESS, obscene*: agn., alum., anac., androc., apis, aur., bell.,
bufo, calc., camph., cann-s., canth., carb-v., caust., chin., chlf., con.,
cub., fl-ac., hyos., lac-cpr., lach., lil-t., lyc., lyss., merc., nat-m.,
nux-m., nux-v., op., orig., phos., pic-ac., plat., puls., raph., rob.,
staph., stram., sulph., tarent., tub., verat.

MIND; MALICIOUS, vindictive; injure someone, desire to*: androc., levo.,
osm.

MIND; MORAL affections; want of moral feeling*: abrot., acetan., achy.,
alco., am-c., anac., androc., ars., aster., aur., Bell., bism., bufo, cass.,
cere-s., cham., chin., choc., clem., coca, cocain., cocc., coloc., con.,
convo-d., croc., cur., falco-p., flav., germ., haliae-lc., hep., hura,
Hyos., kali-br., kali-c., kali-n., lac-c., laur., lyc., morph., nat-m.,
nit-ac., nit-s-d., nux-v., op., ozone, ped., ph-ac., pic-ac., plat., psil.,
raph., sabad., sep., squil., Stram., stry-p., tarent., thuj., Verat.
Others that might (or might not) apply (and cerainly others will come out at
casetaking!):

MIND; BLISSFUL feeling*
MIND; BREAK things, desire to*
MIND; BROODING*
MIND; CONTEMPTUOUS**
MIND; CRUELTY, brutality, inhumanity; general*
MIND; DECEITFUL, sly*
MIND; DEFIANT*
MIND; DELUSIONS, imaginations*
MIND; DELUSIONS, imaginations; alone; world, in the**
MIND; DELUSIONS, imaginations; identity, errors of personal*
MIND; DELUSIONS, imaginations; persecuted, that he is*
MIND; DELUSIONS, imaginations; separated; world, from the, that he is*
MIND; DELUSIONS, imaginations; stranger, strangers; surrounded by*
MIND; DELUSIONS, imaginations; unreal; everything is*
MIND; DELUSIONS, imaginations; wrong; everything is*
MIND; DESIRES; drugs, recreation*
MIND; DESTRUCTIVENESS*
MIND; DETACHED*
MIND; DREAM, as if in a*
MIND; ECSTASY*
MIND; EGOTISM, self-esteem; general*
MIND; EUPHORIA*
MIND; EXHILARATION*
MIND; FANCIES; exaltation of*
MIND; FANCIES; lascivious*
MIND; FANCIES; vivid, lively*
MIND; FASTIDIOUS*
MIND; HATRED*
MIND; INDIFFERENCE, apathy; opinion of others, to*
MIND; INDIFFERENCE, apathy; pleasure, to; things usually enjoyed*
MIND; INDIFFERENCE, apathy; welfare of others, to*
MIND; KILL, desire to*
MIND; LEWDNESS, obscene*
MIND; LIAR*
MIND; MAGNETIC state; feeling of personal power increased*
MIND; MALICIOUS, vindictive; injure someone, desire to*
MIND; MORAL affections; want of moral feeling*
MIND; THEORIZING*
MIND; THOUGHTS; general; persistent; (several possible rub-rubrics)
MIND; UNFEELING, hard-hearted*
MIND; UNSYMPATHETIC, unscrupulous*
on 5/4/04 10:25 PM, Alva Irish at dr_irish@bellsouth.net wrote:

[Joy Lucas]

I have to say that if you do not know how to begin to treat this person then
you should not even be thinking about treating him.

Interesting though that Stramonium grows so well in cemeteries and people
needing this remedy are often employed in work that involves death, such as
undertakers, grave diggers and morticians (I say this from clinical
evidence).

best, Joy

www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
on 5/4/04 10:25 PM, Alva Irish at dr_irish@bellsouth.net wrote:

[Shannon Nelson]

Another sudden thought --
Alva, if the e-mail below is your only contact to date, is it possible that
this is a different person with the same name?
Shannon
on 5/5/04 7:54 AM, Joy Lucas at joy.lucas@ntlworld.com wrote:

[Rochelle]

This sounds like a case for David Lilley as I attended a lecture about how we would treat a serial killer.

Rochelle
www.rochellemarsden.co.uk

[Shannon Nelson]

Hi Rochelle,

It would be fascinating to hear some of his thoughts, if you feel you could
share some?

Shannon
on 5/5/04 8:45 AM, rochelle at rochelle@ntlworld.com wrote:

[vtyekkirala]

Hi,

Some extractions from EH.
But I am wary of treating such a person on my own.
best wishes,
V.T.Yekkirala.

"[gy3 - Staphysagria] And then ... this is hard to prove, because I have
never treated one of these types, but George Vithoulkas said it once and
I have paid attention: these people, some of them anyway, the ones who
go to the extreme last stage, can become murderers, killers. A
particular type, I think, is even characteristic of Staphisagria, and
that is the serial killer. The one who kills people every few weeks,
over the years.
[gy3 - Staphysagria] A: Question (...).
[gy3 - Staphysagria] B: No, they are not the person who goes out and
shoots fourteen people. That is Nux vomica, Stramonium, something like
that.
[gy3 - Staphysagria] This is the type ... The reason that I say this
with confidence, is because there is one time when the media is very
useful to a homoeopath. That is when they have a dramatic case like
this, that has been caught. The journalists go back and talk to the
neighbours and find out what they were like. If you read those things
... It seems sick to read those things, but if you are a homoeopath, you
do sick things sometimes. So I purposely read all of these things about
what has happened and I look for the reliable things. There is a common
element amongst many of these serial killers of a particular type. They
have very many Staphisagria characteristics. I would just love to treat
one of those men, because I think we could help them a lot. But I don't
know what good it would do; they would still be in jail"- GRAY B. and
SHORE J., Seminar Burgh Haamstede April 1989.
cannibal, and
like he

[Rochelle]

If I could remember I would but it wasn't really a note taking type of lecture. he was giving a psychological analysis of the mind of such a person rather than anything else. Maybe others who were at Keele S of H conference can be more enlightening.

Rochelle
www.rochellemarsden.co.uk

[Alva Irish]

Interesting!
Thank you!

[Alva Irish]

Thank you!