VIT C - BOWEL TOLERANCE

[Sheri Nakken]

At 08:58 AM 03/31/2004 -0500, you wrote:

You have to use Sodium Ascorbate form of Vitamin C (not ascorbic acid)
Most times you have to order special - I've never seen it in a
store.......info on sources at the end

Email I send to others..........covers bowel tolerance

From my reading and talking to those who know - Sodium Ascorbate powder -
can take higher doses without bowel problems
Sheri

Here is a summary of the Vitamin C articles I've posted before

knowledgable docs on Vit C - also mentions Archie Kalokerinos MD in
Australia who discovered cure for SIDS in aboriginal babies (too bad we
don't use it here - Vit C)

http://doctoryourself.com/cathcart_thirdface.html

Why A Sick Body Needs So Much Vitamin C
Megadoses: Why?
Home
The Third Face of Vitamin C
Robert F. Cathcart, M.D.
Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine, 7:4;197-200, 1993.

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http://www.orthomed.com/klenner.htm
Journal of Applied Nutrition Vol. 23, No's 3 & 4, Winter 1971
Observations On the Dose and Administration of Ascorbic Acid When Employed
Beyond the Range Of A Vitamin In Human Pathology
Frederick R. Klenner, M.D., F.C.C.P.

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"How Much Is Too Much?
Dr. Robert Cathcart believes the ideal intake for any individual is the
highest level they can tolerate without loose bowels. On the basis of his
experience with 11,000 patients over 14 years this bowel tolerance level
may be 10 to 15 grams in a healthy person, 30 to 60 grams in a person with
a cold, and over 199 grams per day in a person with a serious infectious
illness. During an infectious illness the best clinical results have been
achieved by maintaining high vitamin C levels in the blood through 3 or
more grams every four hours.
Fortunately, vitamin C is one of the least toxic substances known to man.
Four studies gave 10 grams of vitamin C to over 3000 patients without a
single reported incidence of toxicity. Other than the bowels there has not
been one single case of toxicity resulting from taking vitamin C
supplements, despite unfounded reports of potential risk for kidney stones,
raising blood uric acid levels, or 'rebound' scurvy. It is unlikely that
any vitamin has been tested to such an extent for toxicity and it is safe
to assume that supplemental levels of at least 10 grams a day, or up to
bowel tolerance, are completely safe. "

(again this may need to be sodium ascorbate form)

http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/mega_1_1.html#HOLFORD

VITAMIN C:
HOW MUCH IS ENOUGH?
By Patrick Holford

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http://www.internetwks.com/pauling/hoffer.html
(links to some of the articles in the bibliography are there on the webpage)

(c) 1996
First published June 1996 in THE TOWNSEND LETTER FOR DOCTORS AND PATIENTS
Reprinted with permission by the Author and The Townsend Letter

The Vitamin Paradigm Wars

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http://www.orthomed.com/polio.htm
July, 1949 SOUTHERN MEDICINE & SURGERY 209

The Treatment of Poliomyelitis and Other Virus Diseases with Vitamin C

Fred R. Klenner, M.D., Reidsville, North Carolina

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http://www.whale.to/p/vitc.html

VITAMIN C, the cheap anti-viral

"We found measles to be a medical curiosity, by 1950 we could kill the
measles virus in 24 hours. We also found we could dry up chicken pox in the
same time."---Dr Klennr, M.D.

Ascorbic acid was shown to inactivate (1936-7) the herpes virus by Holden
et al. The vaccinia virus by Kliger and Bernkopf. The Hoof and mouth virus
by Langenbusch and Enderling. Rabies virus by Amato

"Viral hepatitis of all types is one of the easiest diseases for ascorbic
acid to cure."---Dr Cathcart, M.D.

In a study of 108 open heart surgery patients (receiving under 1.5 gms
ascorbic acid/day), 11% developed hepatitis (alter et al, 1975). In
contrast in the Murata-Morishige study there were no cases of hepatitis
among 1100 patients receiving over 2 gms ascorbic acid.

"In 1949 Klenner described his successful treatment of polio…using ascorbic
acid. The main value of his work is in showing that any viral disease can
be successfully brought under control with ascorbic acid if the proper
large doses are used…..Millions have been spent in unsuccessful attempts to
find a nontoxic, effective virucide….while, harmless, inexpensive, and
non-toxic ascorbic acid has been within easy reach."---Dr. Irwin Stone

Klenner in 1948, and Dalton in 1962 reported their successful experiences
with virus pneumonia treated with ascorbic acid in 42 cases and 3 cases
respectively. Paez de la Torre in 1945 found good results in measles with
children. Klenner in 1949, successfully used ascorbic acid as a
prophylactic in a measles epidemic and gave a dramatic case history in his
1953 paper in the treatment of a 10 month old baby with measles. Zureich,
in 1950 treated 71 cases of chicken pox with ascorbic acid and Klenner in
1949 also mentions the good response with this disease.

Klenner also cites the dramatic results he obtained in virus encephalitis
and also in 33 cases of mumps and many cases of influenza. Vargas Magne in
1963 treated 130 cases of influenza for one to 3 days using up to 45 grams
of ascorbic acid. 114 recovered and 16 did not respond.

"Although we were able to cure many cases of polio with massive doses of
ascorbic acid, one single instance demonstrates the value of vitamin C. Two
brothers were sick with poliomyelitis. These two boys were given 10 and 12
grams of ascorbic acid, according to weight, intravenously with a 50 c.c.
syringe, every eight hours for 4 times and then every 12 hours for 4 times.
They also were given one gram every two hours by mouth around the clock.
They made complete recovery and both were athletic stars in high school and
college. A third child, a neighbour, under the care of another physician
received no ascorbic acid. This child also lived. The young lady is still
wearing braces."---Dr Klenner

Dr Cathcart http://www.mall-net.com/cathcart/

Vit C Foundation http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/

Klenner paper http://www.orthomed.com/klenner.htm

Null http://www.thehealingcenter.com/

Dr Pittman http://www.he.net/~center/

OrthoMed http://www.orthomed.org/

Ascorbate Web http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/

Linus Pauling site http://www.internetwks.com/pauling/

C for Yourself http://www.CforYourself.com/

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And from Hilary Butler

"Don't use Calcium ascorbate - ever. There are very good reasons why,
not least of which is how it is metabolised in the body. Calcium
Ascorbate is a no no. I learned the hard way. Brief description.
In order to metabolise ascorbate, the Vitamin C needs a sodium ion.
It splits into two compounds, one of which is used, the other
excreted. The basic biochemical unit of the cell is the sodium ion.
If you use calcium ascorbate, the calcium sheers away, and sodium is
pulled from the nearest cell with it in it. Once the ascorbate is
split, the first thing it does is to chelate out the calcium, which
should not be there. Then what you have left, is what is available.
That is why you rarely get diarrhoea with calcium ascorbate. Because
you have to use far more of it to do what sodium ascorbate does. So
how did ester C become supposedly the best. I don't know. I know my
facts, because Archie Kalokerinos explained them to me, as have a
couple of biochemists. I needed to know, because when Archie sorted
out my arthritis after the rubella vaccine, he didn't put a label on
it. I didn't know what it was. So when I ran out, I went to the
health shop, and asked for "the best". Within 9 months, I was in
deep trouble and rang Archie to ask if this stuff was supposed to
kill me (had a severe sodium deficiency, which was stuffing my immune
system even worse than normal!!!). He asked what was on the bottle,
and when I read out Calcium Ascorbate - well - I'm sure he would have
boxed my ears if he was in the same room. Just joking. He's very
calm and gentle, is Archie. Anyway, he explained that I would need
to salt everything in sight for a while, and never to do it again.
Hypercalcemia makes cancer cells grow like billie-oh... "

And from someone else - can't verify this, but sounds accurate

Divide the number of pounds by 2.2 to get the kilograms your child weights
and then multiply times 200 for minimum mg per day

40 pounds divided by 2.2 = about 18 kilograms X 200 mg per kg of body
weight = 3636 mg or 3.6 GM
OR X 375 mg (hi end) = 6818 mg or 6.8 gm

See below
In UK I get from Health Plus
http://www.healthplus.co.uk

In US I get it at Bronson Labs

http://www.bronsononline.com/cgi-bin/nc ... fnbr=18727
&prmenbr=1128&CGRY_NUM=11841
(if splits in 2, paste 2nd line to first in Browser)

or go to

http://www.bronsononline.com/
and then find
VITAMIN C CRYSTALS (NON-ACIDIC)
Product #50
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[Shannon Nelson]

Do they have the same problem is e.g. ascorbate form, or other
non-acidic/buffered variety?
Shannon
on 3/31/04 7:58 AM, Bob Needham at bneedham@amtelecom.net wrote:

[Bob Needham]

Has anyone had experience in helping a patient overcoming a low bowel
tolerance for Vitamin C ? I have two people who are unable to tolerate
anything over 1500 - 2000 mg daily.

Tks Bob

[Shannon Nelson]

Fascinating, Sheri!

Especially the one about why calcium ascorbate is bad. I wonder is anyone
can comment, what about a person who has *excess* sodium from eating way too
much salt, and is also calcium deficient? We've been limiting his salt (to
his distress) and stuffing calcium pills down him (not on basis of theory --
together with magnesium, it helps to calm him and helps him sleep!). And
actually i think neither situation is so unusual (calcium deficiency and
sodium excess)... Maybe there are other reasons why it's bad even for those
folks? I'd especially like to know because we've been using calcium
ascorbate part of the time.

Shannon
on 3/31/04 8:28 AM, Sheri Nakken at homeopathycures@tesco.net wrote:

[Sheri Nakken]

At 09:19 AM 03/31/2004 -0600, you wrote:

The info I go on comes from Hilary Butler in New Zealand who learned
directly from Archie Kaleokarinos who work with Aboroginal babies and so
many dying of SIDS and found they were depleted of Vit C - scurvy
and that the best form is Sodium Ascorbate and others dangerous and the
sodium is minimal unless some extreme sodium problem.

By the way, it looks like some of these babies that die after vaccines,
who's parents are accused of murder, actually have scurvy
Sheri
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[Alva Irish]

Yes, I have,
I prescribe C-salts from Wholesale nutrition.
It is so completely buffered that the body can tolerate much higher doses.
1 tsp = 4,000 mgs
735 Grams = $23 postage included!
1-800-325-2664
Alva Irish

[Sheri Nakken]

see what I sent

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[Alva Irish]

This is a mineral ascorbate containing a balanced mix of calcium ascorbate
(yes, but read on,)
Magnesium ascorbate, zinc ascorbate and potassium ascorbate. The calcium
ascorbate is low and is negated by the magnesium.
Alva

[Bob Needham]

Thanks to all for the GREAT info and SITES

Bob