I am wondering if anyone has extensive experience with Ramakrishnan's
plussing method. I have recently seen a patient recovering from
surgery for stage 4 tongue cancer and cancer of the lymph. I have had
excellent results alternating Carcinosin and Rad Brom, both plussed.
She has consistently reported feeling wonderful on her Rad Brom weeks,
but not noticable improvement on the Carc. weeks. Her most severe
presenting symptoms post-surgically were clearly results of the
radiation therapy. The ulcerated sores in her mouth are now gone, her
appetite and energy have returned, and her thyroid gland (which was
considered non-functional), has started to function again. My question
is this: at what point do I stop the Rad Brom?; and, what is the
thinking about continuing with the Carcinosin at this point? I'm
thinking of moving to Mur Ac, but am not sure what signs I'm awaiting
to know when to move on. Thanks for any help.
Beth
Dr. Ramakrishnan's plussing method
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bethlandauhalpern
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Rosemary C Hyde PhD
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Re: Dr. Ramakrishnan's plussing method
Hi, Beth,.
You asked several questions regarding using Dr. Ramakrishnan's plussing method. Congratulations on being courageous and doing this! It's quite amazingly effective as a way to help cancer patients to resist further inroads of cancer, even with Stage IV cancer.
Just out of curiosity, what symptoms did you use in choosing the Rad-br as the first remedy? I would say that as long as that remedy is making her feel "wonderful," I would continue using it.
Generally speaking, Dr. Ramakrishnan continues the use of the initial remedies for 3-4 months anyway, before re-evaluating the clinical measurements and signs of the cancer to see what is happening. I don't know why the patient's thyroid gland was considered non-functional, but the fact that it, too, has responded positively seems like another reason to continue with the present remedy combination. In other words, as with any other homeopathic treatment, it's not a particularly good idea to change remedies while the first one continues to work. Within that time frame, hopefully the patient will also show some homeopathic signs of a positive response -- such as improved energy overall, positive dreams, and returns of old symptoms both physical and emotional. Teach the patient to recognize these, so that she can report them to you, because they are your best indicator of positive action from the plussing remedies.
Also, while it's nice that a remedy makes a person feel better while they're taking it, this doesn't necessarily indicate one way or the other that it is working well. The classical returns of old symptoms and overall level of energy are the best indicators.
What are your cancer indicators so that you can tell what's happening on that front? Are there tumors remaining someplace? Any blood markers? If not, then you'll have to rely solely on the homeopathic "direction of cure" indicators to assess what's going on. Even if there are tumors or markers, these are not particularly reliable as evidence of homeopathic treatment's efficacy. It's not at all unusual for markers to keep rising or even to bounce around, and fairly often existing tumors appear to just stay as they are. If they are not growing larger, that's a great positive sign, even if they're not shrinking and don't go away. The ones that just sit there eventually lose their cancerous activity -- they become necrotic and just sit there as inert, benign lumps. If there are no overt signs of cancer after the surgery, chemo, radiation, etc..., learn what the oncologists have told the patient about the approximate time frame for the tumors to reappear (which they will be expected to do in Stage IV). If the plussing method is working, the tumors will not reappear during that expected time frame.
Deciding when or whether to change remedies or potencies is based on an intuitive assessment of all these factors: the allopathically measurable cancer indicators, the returns of old symptoms, and the patient's overall energy, with the allopathic measurements being less valid than the homeopathic ones.
As a homeopath treating a patient using Dr. Ramakrishnan's protocols, you are eligible to join our listserv (another Yahoo group, very small, consisting only of homeopaths using Dr R's methods, who can support and advise each other), if you wish. If you'd like to do this, or if any other homeopaths on Minutus who are using Dr. Ramakrishnan's protocols with at least one patient would like to join the group, please e-mail me and let me know.
Sincerely,
Rosemary
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You asked several questions regarding using Dr. Ramakrishnan's plussing method. Congratulations on being courageous and doing this! It's quite amazingly effective as a way to help cancer patients to resist further inroads of cancer, even with Stage IV cancer.
Just out of curiosity, what symptoms did you use in choosing the Rad-br as the first remedy? I would say that as long as that remedy is making her feel "wonderful," I would continue using it.
Generally speaking, Dr. Ramakrishnan continues the use of the initial remedies for 3-4 months anyway, before re-evaluating the clinical measurements and signs of the cancer to see what is happening. I don't know why the patient's thyroid gland was considered non-functional, but the fact that it, too, has responded positively seems like another reason to continue with the present remedy combination. In other words, as with any other homeopathic treatment, it's not a particularly good idea to change remedies while the first one continues to work. Within that time frame, hopefully the patient will also show some homeopathic signs of a positive response -- such as improved energy overall, positive dreams, and returns of old symptoms both physical and emotional. Teach the patient to recognize these, so that she can report them to you, because they are your best indicator of positive action from the plussing remedies.
Also, while it's nice that a remedy makes a person feel better while they're taking it, this doesn't necessarily indicate one way or the other that it is working well. The classical returns of old symptoms and overall level of energy are the best indicators.
What are your cancer indicators so that you can tell what's happening on that front? Are there tumors remaining someplace? Any blood markers? If not, then you'll have to rely solely on the homeopathic "direction of cure" indicators to assess what's going on. Even if there are tumors or markers, these are not particularly reliable as evidence of homeopathic treatment's efficacy. It's not at all unusual for markers to keep rising or even to bounce around, and fairly often existing tumors appear to just stay as they are. If they are not growing larger, that's a great positive sign, even if they're not shrinking and don't go away. The ones that just sit there eventually lose their cancerous activity -- they become necrotic and just sit there as inert, benign lumps. If there are no overt signs of cancer after the surgery, chemo, radiation, etc..., learn what the oncologists have told the patient about the approximate time frame for the tumors to reappear (which they will be expected to do in Stage IV). If the plussing method is working, the tumors will not reappear during that expected time frame.
Deciding when or whether to change remedies or potencies is based on an intuitive assessment of all these factors: the allopathically measurable cancer indicators, the returns of old symptoms, and the patient's overall energy, with the allopathic measurements being less valid than the homeopathic ones.
As a homeopath treating a patient using Dr. Ramakrishnan's protocols, you are eligible to join our listserv (another Yahoo group, very small, consisting only of homeopaths using Dr R's methods, who can support and advise each other), if you wish. If you'd like to do this, or if any other homeopaths on Minutus who are using Dr. Ramakrishnan's protocols with at least one patient would like to join the group, please e-mail me and let me know.
Sincerely,
Rosemary
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bethlandauhalpern
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Re: Dr. Ramakrishnan's plussing method
Dear Rosemary,
Thanks so much for your thoughtful and lengthy response to my inquiry.
You've made me think twice about changing the remedy quite yet. This
is actually a fascinating case, and I've been thrilled with how well
this patient is doing. As far as she knows, there is absolutely no
signs of cancer remaining, and her doctors have not indicated to her
any likelihood of recurrence, although both the severity of her cancer
as well as her case history make me dubious on this count. Since
starting the plussing her energy has improved enormously, her bowels
and her appetite have returned to near normal, she has experienced
some return of taste in what remains of her tongue, has no more sores
inside her mouth, and has some minimal thyroid function. Not bad for
two months of plussing!! I chose the rad brom initially because her
primary complaints were all results of the radiation therapy which she
felt nearly killed her. She also has connective tissue disorder
(probably a variant of scleraderma), which is in rad brom, as is
cancer of the tongue. Other remedies I have considered are Aurum
Muriaticum and Hydrastis. This patient is 22 years old, and has also
been diagnosed with Coeliac Disease, Epstein-Barr disease as well as
the above mentioned disorders. She was an athlete competing at the
Olympic level when she was diagnosed with cancer. Truly astounding.
When I saw her last she had a number of symptoms that she had not
mentioned to me previously, largely because they didn't seem as
pressing at the time -- a sign of improvement I'm sure. The Aurum
covers the constitutional picture of this highly ambitious young
woman, as well as the cancer of the tongue. Hydrastic for the cancer,
as well as her current complaints of debilitating congestive headaches
and chronic sinusitis. However, I may just keep her on her current
regime of rad brom and carc in alternation. In any case, thanks for
your help once again. I would love to join your other discussion
group. I have not been able to get minutus on my e-mail for some
reason, so I use it through the web. Please e-mail me at
blh987@hotmail.com with the necessary information.
Again, many thanks.
Beth
-- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "Rosemary C Hyde PhD" wrote:
plussing method. Congratulations on being courageous and doing this!
It's quite amazingly effective as a way to help cancer patients to
resist further inroads of cancer, even with Stage IV cancer.
Rad-br as the first remedy? I would say that as long as that remedy
is making her feel "wonderful," I would continue using it.
initial remedies for 3-4 months anyway, before re-evaluating the
clinical measurements and signs of the cancer to see what is
happening. I don't know why the patient's thyroid gland was
considered non-functional, but the fact that it, too, has responded
positively seems like another reason to continue with the present
remedy combination. In other words, as with any other homeopathic
treatment, it's not a particularly good idea to change remedies while
the first one continues to work. Within that time frame, hopefully
the patient will also show some homeopathic signs of a positive
response -- such as improved energy overall, positive dreams, and
returns of old symptoms both physical and emotional. Teach the
patient to recognize these, so that she can report them to you,
because they are your best indicator of positive action from the
plussing remedies.
they're taking it, this doesn't necessarily indicate one way or the
other that it is working well. The classical returns of old symptoms
and overall level of energy are the best indicators.
happening on that front? Are there tumors remaining someplace? Any
blood markers? If not, then you'll have to rely solely on the
homeopathic "direction of cure" indicators to assess what's going on.
Even if there are tumors or markers, these are not particularly
reliable as evidence of homeopathic treatment's efficacy. It's not at
all unusual for markers to keep rising or even to bounce around, and
fairly often existing tumors appear to just stay as they are. If they
are not growing larger, that's a great positive sign, even if they're
not shrinking and don't go away. The ones that just sit there
eventually lose their cancerous activity -- they become necrotic and
just sit there as inert, benign lumps. If there are no overt signs of
cancer after the surgery, chemo, radiation, etc..., learn what the
oncologists have told the patient about the approximate time frame for
the tumors to reappear (which they will be expected to do in Stage IV)
. If the plussing method is working, the tumors will not reappear
during that expected time frame.
an intuitive assessment of all these factors: the allopathically
measurable cancer indicators, the returns of old symptoms, and the
patient's overall energy, with the allopathic measurements being less
valid than the homeopathic ones.
protocols, you are eligible to join our listserv (another Yahoo group,
very small, consisting only of homeopaths using Dr R's methods, who
can support and advise each other), if you wish. If you'd like to do
this, or if any other homeopaths on Minutus who are using Dr.
Ramakrishnan's protocols with at least one patient would like to join
the group, please e-mail me and let me know.
Thanks so much for your thoughtful and lengthy response to my inquiry.
You've made me think twice about changing the remedy quite yet. This
is actually a fascinating case, and I've been thrilled with how well
this patient is doing. As far as she knows, there is absolutely no
signs of cancer remaining, and her doctors have not indicated to her
any likelihood of recurrence, although both the severity of her cancer
as well as her case history make me dubious on this count. Since
starting the plussing her energy has improved enormously, her bowels
and her appetite have returned to near normal, she has experienced
some return of taste in what remains of her tongue, has no more sores
inside her mouth, and has some minimal thyroid function. Not bad for
two months of plussing!! I chose the rad brom initially because her
primary complaints were all results of the radiation therapy which she
felt nearly killed her. She also has connective tissue disorder
(probably a variant of scleraderma), which is in rad brom, as is
cancer of the tongue. Other remedies I have considered are Aurum
Muriaticum and Hydrastis. This patient is 22 years old, and has also
been diagnosed with Coeliac Disease, Epstein-Barr disease as well as
the above mentioned disorders. She was an athlete competing at the
Olympic level when she was diagnosed with cancer. Truly astounding.
When I saw her last she had a number of symptoms that she had not
mentioned to me previously, largely because they didn't seem as
pressing at the time -- a sign of improvement I'm sure. The Aurum
covers the constitutional picture of this highly ambitious young
woman, as well as the cancer of the tongue. Hydrastic for the cancer,
as well as her current complaints of debilitating congestive headaches
and chronic sinusitis. However, I may just keep her on her current
regime of rad brom and carc in alternation. In any case, thanks for
your help once again. I would love to join your other discussion
group. I have not been able to get minutus on my e-mail for some
reason, so I use it through the web. Please e-mail me at
blh987@hotmail.com with the necessary information.
Again, many thanks.
Beth
-- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "Rosemary C Hyde PhD" wrote:
plussing method. Congratulations on being courageous and doing this!
It's quite amazingly effective as a way to help cancer patients to
resist further inroads of cancer, even with Stage IV cancer.
Rad-br as the first remedy? I would say that as long as that remedy
is making her feel "wonderful," I would continue using it.
initial remedies for 3-4 months anyway, before re-evaluating the
clinical measurements and signs of the cancer to see what is
happening. I don't know why the patient's thyroid gland was
considered non-functional, but the fact that it, too, has responded
positively seems like another reason to continue with the present
remedy combination. In other words, as with any other homeopathic
treatment, it's not a particularly good idea to change remedies while
the first one continues to work. Within that time frame, hopefully
the patient will also show some homeopathic signs of a positive
response -- such as improved energy overall, positive dreams, and
returns of old symptoms both physical and emotional. Teach the
patient to recognize these, so that she can report them to you,
because they are your best indicator of positive action from the
plussing remedies.
they're taking it, this doesn't necessarily indicate one way or the
other that it is working well. The classical returns of old symptoms
and overall level of energy are the best indicators.
happening on that front? Are there tumors remaining someplace? Any
blood markers? If not, then you'll have to rely solely on the
homeopathic "direction of cure" indicators to assess what's going on.
Even if there are tumors or markers, these are not particularly
reliable as evidence of homeopathic treatment's efficacy. It's not at
all unusual for markers to keep rising or even to bounce around, and
fairly often existing tumors appear to just stay as they are. If they
are not growing larger, that's a great positive sign, even if they're
not shrinking and don't go away. The ones that just sit there
eventually lose their cancerous activity -- they become necrotic and
just sit there as inert, benign lumps. If there are no overt signs of
cancer after the surgery, chemo, radiation, etc..., learn what the
oncologists have told the patient about the approximate time frame for
the tumors to reappear (which they will be expected to do in Stage IV)
. If the plussing method is working, the tumors will not reappear
during that expected time frame.
an intuitive assessment of all these factors: the allopathically
measurable cancer indicators, the returns of old symptoms, and the
patient's overall energy, with the allopathic measurements being less
valid than the homeopathic ones.
protocols, you are eligible to join our listserv (another Yahoo group,
very small, consisting only of homeopaths using Dr R's methods, who
can support and advise each other), if you wish. If you'd like to do
this, or if any other homeopaths on Minutus who are using Dr.
Ramakrishnan's protocols with at least one patient would like to join
the group, please e-mail me and let me know.
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Re: Dr. Ramakrishnan's plussing method
Hello Everyone,
Has anybody tried Dr. Ramakrishnan's plussing method with the LM
potency? I have cured cancer with the LM potency but have not had an
opportunity (or need as yet) to try his method with the 0/1, 0/2, 0/3 etc
Sincerely, David
Has anybody tried Dr. Ramakrishnan's plussing method with the LM
potency? I have cured cancer with the LM potency but have not had an
opportunity (or need as yet) to try his method with the 0/1, 0/2, 0/3 etc
Sincerely, David
Re: Dr. Ramakrishnan's plussing method
Dear David,
Dr R's method's only really used in 200C and sometimes 1M. Having attended his cancer seminar and also done a post grad course with him I kind of feel that if it was used in LM's it wouldn't be known as Dr R's plussing!!!
All the best
Rochelle
www.rochellemarsden.co.uk
Dr R's method's only really used in 200C and sometimes 1M. Having attended his cancer seminar and also done a post grad course with him I kind of feel that if it was used in LM's it wouldn't be known as Dr R's plussing!!!
All the best
Rochelle
www.rochellemarsden.co.uk
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Rosemary C Hyde PhD
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Re: Dr. Ramakrishnan's plussing method
Generally with active cancer cases, I've used Dr. R's plussing method as he developed it, using centesimal potencies -- and if the treatment goes on long enough and the patient's reactions indicate it, he does ascend the whole centesimal scale with that, starting with 200c, and changing potencies after a number of months, again when the patient's vital force indicates that their use of a potency is losing strength for them. With one patient who would never have done the plussing method and who had concomitant Crohn's disease with non-hodgkins lymphoma, and whose oncologist was insisting that the Crohn's wasn't Crohn's but was a recurrence of the lymphoma, I did use LMs, ascending over months as the patient's vital force indicated the need, one dose a day, alternating with a split dose of Carcinosin every two weeks (the Carcinosin started at 200c, and she's now taking 1M.). The treatment has continued for 16 months at this point. The Crohn's symptoms are gone, and the oncologist has declared the lymphoma "cured." I started out with Arsenicum album and went to 1M on that. After several months on Ars 1M, the symptom picture changed radically, and Radium-bromatum was the newly indicated remedy. She's been on LM1 of that for about 3 months, and after talking with her yesterday, I'm about to change that to LM2. She's doing well with it.
I used LMs initially with her because her situation was less acute than the usual cancer case. I feel more comfortable using centesimal potencies in most cases of newly discovered advanced cancers, because it really is an emergency, with very little time for remedies to act effectively -- the usual scenario in which I would normally use centesimal potencies instead of LMs.
For what it's worth... Rosemary
I used LMs initially with her because her situation was less acute than the usual cancer case. I feel more comfortable using centesimal potencies in most cases of newly discovered advanced cancers, because it really is an emergency, with very little time for remedies to act effectively -- the usual scenario in which I would normally use centesimal potencies instead of LMs.
For what it's worth... Rosemary
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Rosemary C Hyde PhD
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Re: Dr. Ramakrishnan's plussing method
Correction -- on the preceding post, I notice I said 200c and 1M for Ars, when it was LM1 and LM2. Sorry. Rosemary
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Rosemary C Hyde PhD
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Re: Dr. Ramakrishnan's plussing method
Hi, Beth.
It does sound as though the Rad-br is a good remedy for your patient at the moment. Certainly the kinds of responses you note are homeopathic indications that this remedy corresponds to what her vital force needs at this moment. When the symptom picture changes significantly, then it will be time to look for a different remedy -- just as with any other disease and posology method in homeopathy.
Rosemary
It does sound as though the Rad-br is a good remedy for your patient at the moment. Certainly the kinds of responses you note are homeopathic indications that this remedy corresponds to what her vital force needs at this moment. When the symptom picture changes significantly, then it will be time to look for a different remedy -- just as with any other disease and posology method in homeopathy.
Rosemary
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Eleana Needham
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Re: Dr. Ramakrishnan's plussing method
Rosemary...
Im getting a bit confused?
You mentioned Carc 200 and 1M. You mentioned Ars 1M, but I cannot see Ars
200 in your post??
Do you mind resending that bit of your post as it should read?
Thanks !
)
Eleana
Im getting a bit confused?
You mentioned Carc 200 and 1M. You mentioned Ars 1M, but I cannot see Ars
200 in your post??
Do you mind resending that bit of your post as it should read?
Thanks !
)Eleana
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Thanks for that Rosemary. I found it very interesting. A very innovated use of Dr R's protocol. So you were giving 1 dose a day of the LM + a split dose of Carc bimonthly? You have had brilliant results.
I have a patient with a rising PSA count and I am treating with Thuja 200C split bimonthly alternating with Carcinosin 200 bimonthly. His next PSA count is after only 3 months of this routine so I will be pleased if it just stays the same. This patient has had a biopsy and 3 /8 of the portions taken were "suspect"so it is being monitored.
Rochelle
www.rochellemarsden.co.uk
I have a patient with a rising PSA count and I am treating with Thuja 200C split bimonthly alternating with Carcinosin 200 bimonthly. His next PSA count is after only 3 months of this routine so I will be pleased if it just stays the same. This patient has had a biopsy and 3 /8 of the portions taken were "suspect"so it is being monitored.
Rochelle
www.rochellemarsden.co.uk