Child with precocious puberty-update

[Rochelle]

I went round to the child this morning and found her sat up in a chair in from of brightly coloured children's TV. occasionally she chuckled. I tried to get her to respond to me and I think she did in her own way. There is still the constant sucking movements with the mouth. Her chest seemed fine this morning. She looked very healthy looking, not pale. When looking at something her head contantly goes to and fro. Mum explained that this is normal for the visual impairment that she has as the vision is made clearer . Momentarily her eyes would looks straight at me. I tried shielding her eyes with my arm and her hand came up slightly as if she wanted to brush my arm away. She smiled a lot and when I asked her to move her hand it appeared that she may have understood.

She cries when her hair is pulled says Mum.

I gave Mum to read what I wrote to the list last night and here are a couple of corrections and additions.

re the giving of thickened liquid to drink - when she had the bronchiolitis a video fluorescent test was carried out which showed that when water was swallowed it went down too fast for the epiglottis flap to close over and a little liquid entered the lungs. Although her coughing reflex is good is it thought safer to give the thickened fluid.

The op on the hips was because the legs were stiff and crossing over pulling the hips together. Today her limbs felt stiff to me.

She has had and enjoys conductive education as from the Peto Institute.

Regards
Rochelle
www.rochellemarsden.co.uk

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[Joy Lucas]

Dear Rochelle, I have a lot of questions I would like to ask but only have
time for a couple - has the child had any thyroid tests done and if so the
results...? Was the mother taking the the 'Pill' before this child, to what
extent was the child near asphyxiation after birth and what were the exact
sx of the fit she had then, finally, how does the child respond when there
is no light or is in relative darkness.

Best wishes, Joy

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on 12/2/03 11:34 AM, rochelle at rochelle@ntlworld.com wrote:

I went round to the child this morning and found her sat up in a chair in
from of brightly coloured children's TV. occasionally she chuckled. I tried
to get her to respond to me and I think she did in her own way. There is
still the constant sucking movements with the mouth. Her chest seemed fine
this morning. She looked very healthy looking, not pale. When looking at
something her head contantly goes to and fro. Mum explained that this is
normal for the visual impairment that she has as the vision is made
clearer . Momentarily her eyes would looks straight at me. I tried shielding
her eyes with my arm and her hand came up slightly as if she wanted to brush
my arm away. She smiled a lot and when I asked her to move her hand it
appeared that she may have understood.

She cries when her hair is pulled says Mum.

I gave Mum to read what I wrote to the list last night and here are a
couple of corrections and additions.

re the giving of thickened liquid to drink - when she had the bronchiolitis
a video fluorescent test was carried out which showed that when water was
swallowed it went down too fast for the epiglottis flap to close over and a
little liquid entered the lungs. Although her coughing reflex is good is it
thought safer to give the thickened fluid.

The op on the hips was because the legs were stiff and crossing over pulling
the hips together. Today her limbs felt stiff to me.

She has had and enjoys conductive education as from the Peto Institute.

Regards
Rochelle
www.rochellemarsden.co.uk
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[Rochelle]

Thank you Joy for responding to this difficult case. The child has had many tests although thyroid specifically has not been mentioned. I will ask but the likelihood is that Mum will not know. The cause of the CP is solely the oxygen deprivation caused by the overdose of the oxytocin Mum was given during the birth.I will ask about the sx of the fit but it is very possible again the Mum was not around when it happened. I also asked about the dark and was told that Mum would never leave her in total darkness as when she is awake it is important that she is constantly stimulated, hence the moving dim lights in her room at night. The child I was told prefers the light so probably doesn't react at all in the dark. Again I will ask. The second child born 12 months after this one is absolutely fine.
I have thought of Thyroidinum and also Folliculinum possibly in a 9C potency to suppress. Dr Ramakrishnan suggests that I look at Phytolacca which is his No. 1 Rx for gland problems. She is still on anti biotics and so I don't intend to prescribe until she is off those by which time hopefully I will have come to a decision.

Regards
Rochelle
www.rochellemarsden.co.uk

[Shannon Nelson]

I hesitate with this thought, as I have so little basis for it -- but
pituitary sarcode keeps coming to mind, maybe just because of the precocious
puberty (I can't find a rubric for that!), and because she seems so
out-of-whack, and because the oxygen deprivation could have compromised that
(or anything else in the brain)... Mumble mumble...

Just a FWIW thought.
Shannon

on 12/2/03 8:19 AM, rochelle at rochelle@ntlworld.com wrote:

[Joy Lucas]

Dear Rochelle, just a few random thoughts - there is the rubric Puberty,
precocious, chlorosis, anaemia, with excessive muscular debility - this
brings in the Tubercular remedies. When you say she is plump, how plump -
not a body build one would associate with the tubercular rx - many do have
huge mental deficiencies though with a strong need of stimulation and h/o
bronchial problems.

Calc carb seems irresistible overall, I was moving towards Conium, trying to
link the ovaries/uterus/breasts and the CP - this may or may not be possible
with one remedy, probably will need a few. I even played with the idea of
Sepia - not as silly as what you might think (did Mum take the 'Pill').

Can you probe the light/dark situation more. It is very politically correct
these days to stimulate children with any brain disorder and it sounds as
though this is being done, but for homeopathic purposes we need to know
whether this stimulation has any marked change - in other words, take the
stimulation away and do you know what the situation is - is the child
actively craving light, is she fearful in the dark, is this a useful route
of enquiry etc. Along these lines of stimulation it is important to ask
about her NATURAL tendencies towards this and not what the parents think
they should be. How does she respond to loud noise, music, movement, smells,
bathing etc.

What does "she cries when her hair is pulled" mean. Is there any odour to
her, are sweat glands developing as well, what do the nails look like, any
thing else that is striking.

Hope useful, best wishes, Joy

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on 12/2/03 2:19 PM, rochelle at rochelle@ntlworld.com wrote:

Thank you Joy for responding to this difficult case. The child has had many
tests although thyroid specifically has not been mentioned. I will ask but
the likelihood is that Mum will not know. The cause of the CP is solely the
oxygen deprivation caused by the overdose of the oxytocin Mum was given
during the birth.I will ask about the sx of the fit but it is very possible
again the Mum was not around when it happened. I also asked about the dark
and was told that Mum would never leave her in total darkness as when she is
awake it is important that she is constantly stimulated, hence the moving
dim lights in her room at night. The child I was told prefers the light so
probably doesn't react at all in the dark. Again I will ask. The second
child born 12 months after this one is absolutely fine.
I have thought of Thyroidinum and also Folliculinum possibly in a 9C potency
to suppress. Dr Ramakrishnan suggests that I look at Phytolacca which is his
No. 1 Rx for gland problems. She is still on anti biotics and so I don't
intend to prescribe until she is off those by which time hopefully I will
have come to a decision.

Regards
Rochelle
www.rochellemarsden.co.uk

[merrileecoblenz]

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[Shannon Nelson]

Hi Joy,

Is that rubric under "Generals" or "Female", and what rep do you have it
from? (Would you mind posting the remedies you show?)

Thanks!
Shannon
on 12/2/03 12:35 PM, Joy Lucas at joy.lucas@ntlworld.com wrote:

[Shannon Nelson]

Ah got it, thank you!

on 12/2/03 1:07 PM, merrileecoblenz at artax11@telus.net wrote:

[Joy Lucas]

We should remind ourselves that this hasn't actually happened yet. However
there is also the rubric bleeding, uterus, little girls - cina; hydr; xan,
also 'before puberty' - cina; also 'menses in young girls' - calc; calc
phos; carb-veg; chin; cocc; sil; verat.

Best wishes, Joy

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on 12/2/03 7:07 PM, merrileecoblenz at artax11@telus.net wrote:

Try female genitalia menses appear proper age befor the
This is the covering rubric
merrilee
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[Joy Lucas]

Dear Shannon, I was looking at Murphy's rep - Children, puberty, girls,
precocious, chlorosis, anaemia, with excessive muscular debility - the only
remedy I have is Phos.

best wishes, Joy

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on 12/2/03 7:16 PM, Bob&Shannon at shannonnelson@tds.net wrote:

Hi Joy,

Is that rubric under "Generals" or "Female", and what rep do you have it
from? (Would you mind posting the remedies you show?)

Thanks!
Shannon
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