eczema case

[Rosemary C. Hyde, Ph.D.]

I agree with Joy's remedy thoughts as interesting, and would like to add one
more: Belladonna.

It seems to me that in addition to the very red rash about which more was
said of discharges and pain than itching, the fact that the child likes and
is inclined to make a lot of noise is a strong indication for the type of
remedy likely to be the simillimum. This is no "shrinking violet!"

There were other strong modalities and sensations that would also give good
indications for the remedy: < cold wind, fear of the dark, irritable on
waking, constant appetite, history of unusually bad tonsillitis (2 is a
young age for tonsils to be removed, especially today), stitching sticking
skin pain from what would have to be considered ulcers developing from the
eruptions -- open, weeping, infected, painful... Also the clear etiology
from vaccination is significant.

The thermal modalities, other than the wind, were confusing, so probably not
a good set of symptoms to consider. The fear of the dark and his tendency
to violent anger made me think briefly of stramonium, but this set of
symptoms is at least strongly indicative of the Solanaceae family (Stram,
Hyos, Bell, etc...)

The fact that the boy was given a "sulphur complex" doesn't sound as though
it should be a contraindication for considering Sulphur as a single remedy
in real potency -- and there are some symptoms that sound like Sulphur or
Hepar-sulph.

You're right about the salt water< not being an important symptom -- it's
totally common and expectable, not unusual. The fact that he needs cold
water after hot to calm his skin down probably is a contra-indication for
Rhus-t as a long acting remedy.

In any case, Belladonna comes through the following analysis beautifully:

GENERALS - WIND - cold
MIND - FEAR - dark, of
MIND - NOISE - inclination to make noise
SKIN - ERUPTIONS - painful
STOMACH - APPETITE - insatiable
STOMACH - APPETITE - gnawing
MIND - IRRITABILITY - waking, on
RESPIRATION - SNORING
THROAT - INFLAMMATION - Tonsils
GENERALS - VACCINATION, after
SKIN - ERUPTIONS - discharging
SKIN - ERUPTIONS - rash - red - fiery
SKIN - ULCERS - painful - stinging, stitching

In addition, I remember a case of a child who responded beautifully to
Belladonna, one of whose peculiar symptoms was that she had to climb
everything in sight (this was a 9 year old girl). In fact, Bell is one of
only 4 remedies in the rubric "desire to climb", along with Hyos, Stram,
and Falco-pe, with Bell being in italics.

Here's the rubric:
MIND - CLIMBING - desire to
bell.;2;vh bell.;2;vh/dg bell.;2;vhx1 falco-pe.;1;nl2 hyos.;1;a1
stram.;1;kr1

So Belladonna might be a remedy worth considering, based on the case you
sent to us.

Rosemary

[andyh]

BRoten1721@aol.com wrote:
999 Hi Bonnie,

--Silica is what most sand is constituted of (essentially quartz granules--SiO2)

--The following have sandpaper sensations (wasnt clear if they had the sensation of it, or if the eruption was in fact just like sandpaper, so will include sensation her):

Geranium robert (proving) Bowel felt irritated like diarrhea at 7:30 AM At 10:00 AM more urgent. At 11:00 looser, the dregs! [Increased frequency of stool. Feels like being scraped with sandpaper. A rawness.] — Stool: frequent (#14 - 8/23/94)

mang-p (proving) Lower back pain along with the stomach problem. On the right side at the hip joint, it felt like the ball of the joint had sandpaper in it. [Stiffness in the right hip joint. An irritated feeling. Aching in the joint.] — Extremities: stiffness, hip (#16 - 2/11/96)

Nat-ars (from case) Also exquisitely sensitive to polluted air, they felt hot and stinging "like sandpaper" when exposed, and blurry from tears, "as if a protective coating had been stripped off," while on an island known for its clean air she felt fine even in the sun and wind and had no symptoms whatsoever.

--This is what I found in Complete that seemed close (or remotely related). Perhaps more there or in Synthesis. Best, Andy

SKIN; DRYNESS; parchment, like (1) : ars.BngC

SKIN; HARD; parchment, like (K1326, G1093) (23) : acon., aeth., Ars., bac.BurC, calc-f.Ptk, camph., chin., crot-h., dig., dulc., kali-c., led., lith-c., lyc., mag-c.Brk, op., petr.Ptk, phos., rhus-t., sabad.Brk, sars., sil., squil

SKIN; ROUGH (K1330, G1097) (48) : alum., alumn.HahE, anag., apoc.KentC, ars., ars-i., bar-c., bell.BngC, bry., Calc., calen.Ptk, croto-t., fl-ac.BngC, graph., hep., hyper.Ptk, iod., kali-c.BngC, kali-i., lap-gr-m.EisF, laur.BngC, lith-c., mang.KentC, merc., mez., nat-c., nat-m., nit-ac.BngC, olnd., parth.VklL, Petr., ph-ac., phos., phyt.Ptk, plb., psor.Bann, rhus-t., rutaBngC, sabad.Bann, sap-sod.McfM, sars., sec., Sep., stram., Sulph., tub.Ptk, zinc.Bann, zinc-o.McfM

SKIN; CHAPPING (K1304, G1076) (38) : aesc., alum., alum-sil.KentC, alumn.CrkCt, ant-c., arn., aur., bry., Calc., calc-f.CwpM, calc-sil.KentC, carbn-s.KentC, cham., cortiso.JulB, cycl., Graph., Hep., kali-c., kreos., lach., lyc., mag-c., mang., merc., nat-c., nat-m., nit-ac., olnd.Ptk, petr., Puls., Rhus-t., ruta, Sars., Sep., sil., Sulph., viol-t., zinc.

SKIN; DRYNESS; rough (K1308, G1079) (4) : iod., lith-c., merc., nat-c.

SKIN; ERUPTIONS; eczema; dry (6) : Alum-sil.KentC, berb-a.72, calc-s.CrkCt, cortico.JulB, foll.JulB, morg.Pat

SKIN; ERUPTIONS; eczema; dry; children, in (2) : calc-s.CrkCt, morg.Pat
SKIN; ERUPTIONS; eczema; dry; menses, before (1) : foll.JulB
SKIN; ERUPTIONS; eczema; dry; ovulation, during (1) : foll.JulB

SKIN; ERUPTIONS; rings, bran like eczema in (1) : anag.Her

SKIN; ERUPTIONS; scaly; bran, like (K1318, G1087) (54) : agar., alum., am-c., anac., arg., Ars., ars-i., ars-s-f.KentC, aur., aur-ar.KentC, bor., bry., Calc., calc-p.Ptk, canth., carb-ac., carb-an., carb-v., chlor., cic., clem., colch.Brk, dulc., graph., iod., kali-ar., Kali-chl., kali-i., Kreos., lach., led., lyc., mag-c., mang., merc., mez., nat-ar., nat-m., nit-ac., olnd., petr., phos., Phyt., pip-m.Brk, rad-br.Ptk, ran-b., rhus-t., sanic.Ptk, sep., Sil., staph., sulph., thuj., tub.AlnN
SKIN; ERUPTIONS; blotches; scales, covered with silvery (1) : nuph.AlnP
SKIN; ERUPTIONS; desquamating; general; scales, white (10) : ars.BngC, calc.BngC, com.Bann, croto-t.BngC, dulc.BngC, lyc.BngC, merc.BngC, sep.BngC, sil.BngC, thuj.BngC
SKIN; ERUPTIONS; herpetic; scaly (K1313, G1083) (40) : agar., anac., anan., ars., aur., bell., bov., cact., cadm-s., Calc., carbn-s.KentC, cic., clem., con., cupr., dulc., graph., hep., hyos., kali-ar.KentC, kali-c., led., lyc., mag-c., Merc., nat-m., olnd., ph-ac., phos., plb., psor., ran-b., rhus-t., sep., sil., staph., sulph., teucr., thuj., zinc.1058
SKIN; ERUPTIONS; herpetic; scaly; white (K1313, G1083) (10) : anac., ars., calc.1058, dulc.1058, graph., lyc., sep.1058, sil.1058, thuj., zinc.
SKIN; ERUPTIONS; herpetic; scaly; white; dry (K1313, G1083) (7) : ars., calc., dulc., lyc., sep., sil., thuj.
SKIN; ERUPTIONS; pustules; scaly (K1317, G1086) (2) : merc., sep.Schm
SKIN; ERUPTIONS; scaly (K1318, G1087) (140) : acon.AlnP, agar., alum.BngC, alumn.KentC, am-c.BngC, am-m.BngC, anac., anag.1058, ant-c.BngC, arg.1058, arg-n.BngC, Ars.BngC, ars-i., ars-s-f.KentC, aur., aur-ar.KentC, bar-c.BngC, bar-m., bcgJulB, bell.BngC, berb.AlnP, bor., bov.BngC, bry.BngC, bufo, cact., cadm-s., calad., calc.BngC, calc-p.Ptk, calc-s., calc-sil.KentC, canth., caps.BngC, carb-ac.HalH, carb-an.BngC, carb-v.BngC, chin.1058, chlol.AlnP, chlor.AlnP, cic.BngC, cinnb.Brk, cist.KentC, Clem., colch.Brk, coloc.1058, com., con.BngC, cupr., cupr-acet.AlnP, cycl., dulc.BngC,
dys-co.Pat, elapsAlnP, euph-l.72, fl-ac., graph.BngC, hep.BngC, hydrc., hyos., ichth.AnsR, iod., irisHalH, kali-ar.AlnP, kali-bi., kali-c.BngC, kali-chl.1058, kali-hp.McfM, kali-i.McfM, kali-m.Ptk, kali-p.KentC, kali-s., kali-sil.KentC, kola.ScuB, kosenGrie, kreos.BngC, lac-c.1058, lach.1058, lap-gr-m.EisF, led.BngC, lepro.VklL, lyc.BngC, mag-c., mag-p.Bann, manc.Ptk, mang.1058, med.Ptk, merc.BngC, merc-c.Brk, merc-i-f.Brk, merc-n.Brk, merc-pr-r.Brk, merc-tn.Brk, mez.BngC, morg-g.Pat, nat-ar., nat-c.Brk, nat-m.BngC, nat-p.KentC, nit-ac., nuph.HalH, oena.Brk, ol-j.1058, olnd.,
parth.VklL, petr.BngC, Phos.BngC, Phyt., pip-m.AlnP, platan.Brk, plb., psor., puls.BngC, rad-br.Ptk, ran-b.BngC, rhus-t.BngC, sabad.BngC, sabin.BngC, sang., sanic.Ptk, sarr.Alle, sars.BngC, Sep.BngC, sil.BngC, skook.AnsR, staph.BngC, still.HalH, sul-ac.BngC, sul-i.KentC, sulph.BngC, syph.CwpM, tell.Alle, teucr., thuj.BngC, thyr.1058, til.AlnP, tub.AlnP, verat.BngC, viol-t.BngC, zinc.BngC
SKIN; ERUPTIONS; scaly; scratching, after (46) : alum.BngC, am-c.BngC, am-m.BngC, ant-c.BngC, arg-n.BngC, ars.BngC, bar-c.BngC, bell.BngC, bov.BngC, bry.BngC, calc.BngC, calc-sil.KentC, caps.BngC, carb-an.BngC, carb-v.BngC, cic.BngC, con.BngC, dulc.BngC, graph.BngC, hep.BngC, kali-c.BngC, kreos.BngC, led.BngC, Lyc.BngC, mag-p.Bann, merc.BngC, mez.BngC, nat-m.BngC, parth.VklL, petr.BngC, phos.BngC, puls.BngC, ran-b.BngC, Rhus-t.BngC, sabad.BngC, sabin.BngC, sars.BngC, sep.BngC, sil.BngC, staph.BngC, sul-ac.BngC, Sulph.BngC, thuj.BngC, verat.BngC, viol-t.BngC, zinc.BngC
SKIN; ERUPTIONS; scaly; scratching, after; old people (5) : arg-n.BngC, bar-c.BngC, con.BngC, mag-p.Bann, sul-ac.BngC
SKIN; ERUPTIONS; scaly; syphilitic (18) : ars.Brk, ars-i.Brk, ars-s-f.Brk, bor.Brk, cinnb.Brk, fl-ac.Brk, kali-i.Brk, merc.Brk, merc-c.Brk, merc-i-f.Brk, merc-n.Brk, merc-pr-r.Brk, merc-tn.Brk, nit-ac.Brk, phos.Brk, phyt.Brk, sars.Brk, sulph.Brk
SKIN; ERUPTIONS; scaly; turkish bath amel. (1) : ars.AlnP
SKIN; ERUPTIONS; scaly; lower part (1) : bell.AlnP
SKIN; ERUPTIONS; scaly; flexures (1) : dys-co.Pat
SKIN; ERUPTIONS; scaly; bran, like (K1318, G1087) (54) : agar., alum., am-c., anac., arg., Ars., ars-i., ars-s-f.KentC, aur., aur-ar.KentC, bor., bry., Calc., calc-p.Ptk, canth., carb-ac., carb-an., carb-v., chlor., cic., clem., colch.Brk, dulc., graph., iod., kali-ar., Kali-chl., kali-i., Kreos., lach., led., lyc., mag-c., mang., merc., mez., nat-ar., nat-m., nit-ac., olnd., petr., phos., Phyt., pip-m.Brk, rad-br.Ptk, ran-b., rhus-t., sanic.Ptk, sep., Sil., staph., sulph., thuj., tub.AlnN
SKIN; ERUPTIONS; scaly; brown (2) : am-m.Ptk, kali-ar.AlnP
SKIN; ERUPTIONS; scaly; herpetic (1) : ran-b.AlnP
SKIN; ERUPTIONS; scaly; ichthyosis (K1319, G1087) (44) : anag., ars., ars-i., aur., bcgJulB, calc., chin., chlor.AlnP, clem., coloc., graph., hep., hydrc.Brk, ichth.AnsR, iod.Brk, kali-i.Brk, kosenGrie, lac-c., lepro.VklL, lyc., med.Künz, merc.Brk, mez., nat-c.Brk, nuph.Alle, oena.Brk, ol-j., petr., Phos., pip-m.CrkCt, platan.Brk, plb., psor.Alle, rad-br.Mezg, sarr.Alle, sep., sil., sulph., syph.CwpM, tell.Alle, teucr.Alle, thuj., thyr., tub.Alle
SKIN; ERUPTIONS; scaly; mealy (1) : ars.AlnP
SKIN; ERUPTIONS; scaly; psoriasis, as in (1) : chlor.AlnP
SKIN; ERUPTIONS; scaly; red (1) : til.AlnP
SKIN; ERUPTIONS; scaly; spots (K1319, G1087) (10) : cupr-acet.AlnP, hydrc., kali-c., merc., Nit-ac., puls., sabin., sil., thuj., zinc.
SKIN; ERUPTIONS; scaly; white (K1319, G1087) (10) : anac., ars., graph., Kali-chl., lyc., nat-ar.KentC, pip-m.AlnP, thuj., tub.AlnP, zinc.
SKIN; ERUPTIONS; scaly; white; spots, leaving white spots after falling off (1) : pip-m.AlnP
SKIN; ERUPTIONS; scaly; yellow (K1319, G1087) (3) : bar-m.KentC, Kali-c., nat-p.KentC
SKIN; GLISTENING scale on (2) : euphr.BngC, rhus-t.BngC
SKIN; ULCERS; scales covering the surrounding area, shining (1) : com.Chdr

[merrileecoblenz]

Hi Jon
Mez covers your skin, vaccinosis and throat. This would be my choice
until the infection at least is under control and then a remedy from
the vaccine itself which is the root problem. thuya does not
discharge pus and for the moment the infection is the most pressing
symptom as it will become systemic and need an antibiotic, it may
already be bad enough to warrant Hep Sulph.
Hope that helps
merrilee
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[BRoten1721]

In a message dated 12/19/2003 3:20:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, andyh@mcn.org
writes:
this is an autistic child who has moved out of autism and into more of
a child with aspergers since homeopathic treatment.
he's been doing incredibly well on veratrum album 30c.........but he's

regressing emotionally in the last 2 weeks .......and this sandpaper
like
rash has now appeared........
thank you,
bonnir
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[BRoten1721]

In a message dated 12/19/2003 6:39:16 AM Eastern Standard Time,
rochelle@ntlworld.com writes:
dear rochelle,
please describe the eruption?
thanks,
bonnie
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[andyh]

BRoten1721@aol.com wrote:
Another search, this time on "gritty" skin
Hepar presents eruptions humid in some places, dry in others, or with a peculiar gritty feel. Sulphur eruptions are predominantly dry and more apt to burn or bleed after scratching. (farrington)

tilia-gritty, itching vesicles

the other rx here--eruptions, gritty
================

Rehmans relationships in case this helpful

Veratrum complementary rx-arnica, ars, carb-v

follows veratrum well-
acon, am-c, arg-n, arn, ars, bell, bov, bry, calc, carb-v cham, chin, cupr, dros, dulc, grat, ip, lyc, meny, merc, nux-v, phos, puls, rhus-t, samb, saro-sco, sep, sil, spig, stann, staph, sulph, tab
HTH
-A

[Rochelle]

The eruption was very red, very dry, all over the body > heat, very itchy. Child felt the cold, BUT very hot to touch. He looked dirty, untidy looking (although he wasn't). There was also a sour smell around him and he was sweaty. Psorinum made the rash worse initially, like a layer of skin coming off but seemed to make the case clearer. then I gave Graphites despite there was no honey looking exudate as Mum said that when he scratched there was a clear liquid and the eczema went to cure and I haven't seen him back for a long time but have heard through the grapevine that his skin is still clear.

Rochelle ( I will be away now for a fortnight with only sporadic access to the internet)
www.rochellemarsden.co.uk

[Tessa Mackenzie]

Did he have eczema before vaccination? You may want to look more at zinc if
this is the case - ailments from suppressed eruption, plus alot of similar
autistic style symptoms to veratrum.
Regards
Tessa Mackenzie RC Hom NZ

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sandpaper
am-c.,, falco-p., graph., phos.,, zinc.

[Jon van Hoffen]

Thank you all who responded to the eczema case,

There are quite a few suggestions I will look futher into.
Because of the aetiology I did of course look into Thuja. Apparently he has had a combination remedy from an naturopath/homoeopath a few years ago. I contacted him and this complex contained Thuja in a number of potencies (LM01, LM01 and 200c). This remedy did not do anything to the eczema.

Sepia does come up quite high in my repertorisation as does Psorinum. Both remedy pictures also have big parts that do not seem to fit though. I will keep on studying them to see if they could fit.
The skin is not painful on areas not affected by the eczema, and the stinging pain too is combined with eczema. As I read the Sepia symptoms there is not a necessary link between eruption and sensation.
The skin in the joints is not pimple like. It really does look a bit like sandpaper, so the gritty skin rubric seems applicable.

The staph infection does seem to become more problematic at this moment. He has been on antibiotic treatment for a long time, but has stopped that as it did not seem to be very effective at any rate. I think the pain he feels might be associated with the fact that it is infected, but I will check that.
I did have a look at Hep sulph before and there are certainly elements there that are significant. I think Merrilee might be right and that the infection might need treatment first. He has had the infection for a number of years, after an episode of hospitalisation for his eczema.

I will try to get a few more mental symptoms in the next visits. The physical problems are so debilating and in need of treatment that those have been my main focus till now.

Thank you all for your help, I will have a few more angles to look at this case now. I will keep you posted.

One thing I am concerned about myself is the frequent changes of remedies I have used. Can I continue doing this if remedies do not seem to be working, and am I right in assuming that remedies that do not give a reaction or only temporary relief of a symptom can't be the right ones.

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[merrileecoblenz]

Hello Jon
This is all just my own gleaned experience with many cases of eczema
all learned the hard way!

"Jon van Hoffen" wrote:
Thuja. Apparently he has had a combination remedy from an
naturopath/homoeopath a few years ago. I contacted him and this
complex contained Thuja in a number of potencies (LM01, LM01 and
200c). This remedy did not do anything to the eczema.
Thuya may be useful further down the road if there is a bigger Thuya
picture right now the infection is too apparent.
Psorinum.

Sepia and Psor will rep out simply from a maths result in that they
are over represented in the skin section for most eczema cases. And
Psor is often needed from a nutritional aspect.
Both remedy pictures also have big parts that do not seem to fit
though. I will keep on studying them to see if they could fit.

Only the right remedy fits we cant make them fit! But I do know what
you mean.

the stinging pain too is combined with eczema.

The pain is directly related to the infection. You are not looking
at exzema but infected eczema, which if you knew the constitutional
you could work with that but not knowing and with a picture confused
by many remedies may simply need to be treated "acutely" first.
Sulph low is an excellent staph fighter Bell will fight strep, and
hep sulph will fight staph aureus. Why? Is easy becuase they present
the picutre related to those remedies.

bit like sandpaper, so the gritty skin rubric seems applicable.

. I think the pain he feels might be associated with the fact that it
is infected, but I will check that.

Most of the modalities you presented are common to eczema. The pain
is specific to the infected part of it. Dont look so much at the
individual skin symptoms, you have had too much remedy interference,
take the single rubric eczema and take the whole case get everything
else that has ever been as a symptom in the child and find the
constitutional.

elements there that are significant.

The other route is to simply use the cortisone treatements orally
that are offered in these cases along with the antibiotics, which
buys you time for the other remedies to go through and then relook at
the whole case again in a months time. Watch where the skin breaks
out first and the type of eczema, the modalities will then be true
and the mental state of the child as he goes iinto the outbreak will
give you a good picture. The suppression as such is easily dealt
with when you are not under threat of massive infection and the child
will be able to go to school and sleep and cope beter once the whole
thing is more under control, even if that has to be allopathic for
the moment and you can catch your breath. Just keep an open mind as
to what is best for the health of the child right now.
The physical problems are so debilating and in need of treatment that
those have been my main focus till now.
Eczema is utterly debilitating both for the sufferer and for the
family. Look carefully into diet, the macrobiotic diet helps in a
wonderful way to cleans the system if the mum will do it. Brown rice
only for 10 days will clean the system also, the most I ever get from
the kids is 5 days but they can see the difference even then, prizes
for those kids at the end of each day (the american idea of bribery
of children for good behaviour which I really detest)
at this case now. I will keep you posted.
remedies I have used. Can I continue doing this if remedies do not
seem to be working, and am I right in assuming that remedies that do
not give a reaction or only temporary relief of a symptom can't be
the right ones.
Symptoms must disapear in reverse order of appearance as with any
case and if all you have is relief of one symptom then wait until you
understand what is happening befor jumping in again.
Good luck
merrilee