Antidote for Influenza Vaccination?

[Shannon Nelson]

Hi Steve,

You say that the potentized drug resolves the problem, but sometimes only
temporarily; do you find then that repeating the potentized drug does any
further good, or no? And what do you mean that you will then resort of a
"puer" kind of homeopathy?

Thanks!
Shannon

on 11/7/03 11:22 AM, Steve Scrutton at stevescrutton@btinternet.com wrote:

[Julian Winston]

At 4:09 PM +0000 11/7/03, Joy Lucas wrote:

Many many years ago when they were giving the "swine flu" vaccine in
the USA I knew of two people who had bad reactions that were similar
to Guillain-Barre. In both cases they resolved with Conium
maculatum-- the primary indication being the ascending paralysis.

JW

[Joy Lucas]

My cases didn't have the ascending paralysis as a really characteristic sx
otherwise I would have considered Conium. One case the pains started in the
leg then stopped, then began in the arm, then went back to the leg. Another
case the pains started in one arm and leg at the same time. Another the
sensations began in the neck.

If ascending nerve paralysis or muscle paralysis is characteristic then
there are other rx to consider - agar; alum; ars; bar carb; gels; hydr-ac;
kali carb; lath; led; manganum; ox-ac; phos; pic-ac; sec; vip; and probably
quite a few more.

One of the really hard jobs is to convince elderly citizens (and others) how
dangerous these 'flu jabs are.

Does anyone on the list know exactly what the constituents are in the 'flu
vaccine?

best, Joy

www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
on 11/7/03 7:10 PM, Julian Winston at jwinston@actrix.gen.nz wrote:

At 4:09 PM +0000 11/7/03, Joy Lucas wrote:

Many many years ago when they were giving the "swine flu" vaccine in
the USA I knew of two people who had bad reactions that were similar
to Guillain-Barre. In both cases they resolved with Conium
maculatum-- the primary indication being the ascending paralysis.

JW
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[Shannon Nelson]

Hi Patricia,

on 11/7/03 5:58 PM, Patricia Hatherly at triciah@rnhconsulting.com.au wrote:
Wow...
Do you know what the "reasons" were? Here in the US remedies made from any
"controlled substance" are banned, but I think that's all. Do you know why
the others are banned in Aust?

Digressing a bit, I'm fascinated by the fact that we can't buy potentized
drug rxs. On the one hand remedies are not considered "real", considered
placebo, "nothing but sugar, but at least it can't hurt you"; but on the
other hand they are real enough to ban. ????

I wonder whether Rae potentizer cards could be banned? If you can ban an
"energy imprint" that contains not a molecule of the subject, perhaps you
can ban pictures of them too!

Is this just more of the "ban everything" movement?

Shannon

[Tanya Marquette]

Shannon,

this is a control issue via the government. you know that economic interests (medical and pharmaceutical) constantly try to opposing health systems. they get an inroad into the battle by taking little bites and setting
precedence. they really dont worry about contradictions--they assume they can get away with them, and, in fact, they do! look at the abortion issue--a great case in point, and that one has been in the public eye.

tanya

[Patricia Hatherly]

Dear Steve

Tinus Smits has much on the method of "treating" vaccine damage using the
vaccine nosodes.
Check out www.tinussmits.com

When Robin Murphy was in Australia about 10 years ago he was suggesting that
a dose of Ledum 30C (split dose!) be given the day before and the day of any
vaccine to mitigate against the adjuvants (which tend to cause the most
damage) which are delivered into the system by means of a puncture wound!

With mothers (& others) who want to vaccinate and can't be persuaded
otherwise I offer this as a support and it seems to help.

We have a fairly on-the-ball vaccination information group here in Australia
(AVN www.avn.org.au) & I get lots of enquiries for HP and I treat lots of
vaccine-damaged kids.

Generally I adopt a "pure" approach and treat the totality and eventually
one of the NWS vaccine Rx such as Silica or Sulphur comes up.
However when the ill health stems obviously from the date of a particular
vaccine I start the case with one dose of that particular vaccine nosode
(usually DPT or MMR). I find the Rxs work better after doing that.

The govt has removed from sale the vaccine nosode made from Meningococcal
vaccine (long story). The writing is on the wall in this country now and it
probably won't be long before the rest are removed from sale. It's illegal
for us to use the Meningococcal vax Rx! (others on the not for sale in
Australia list, include: Conium; Opium; Sabina; Canni-i & Cann-s; Merc bin
iod ; Merc cyan; Croton tig; Symphytum and others! We have a fight on our
hands here).

regards
Patricia

[Julian Winston]

At 7:16 PM -0600 11/7/03, Bob&Shannon wrote:
One of the reasons is that they are deeemed poisonous. Add Agaricus
to the list.
The other reason is that Australia is slowly lapsing into a fascist
dictatorship.

JW

[Chris_Gillen]

Australia is not "slowly lapsing into a fascist dictatorship"... it's
already here.
WAKE UP !!!!

When George Dubya says 'jump', the Australian Prime Minister 'bungees'.
Australians are under the influence of one little self righteous, officious
prat, who wields a lot of power, and who is easily seduced by his own
weaknesses and that of the "super-power". It is up to *us* to have
discernment and make the difference, and not to complacently rely on weak
leadership to show common sense. He doesn't have it, that is patently
obvious.
Humanity suffers as a consequence.

Chris

[Shannon Nelson]

Hm, your second reason makes more sense than the first, as "even MDs"
acknowledge that chemically pure sugar is not *that* toxic (ha-ha)! Yup,
your second reason makes lots more sense...



on 11/7/03 10:53 PM, Julian Winston at jwinston@actrix.gen.nz wrote:

[marsden43]

We in the UK can buy potentised drugs. Helios have a selection and
they will potentise anything that you send to them!!If there is
something you want phone them and ask. They have various flu jabs
potentised with different years in the title. I don't know if they
have potentised this year's yet but they might have done.
Regards
Rochelle


www.rochellemarsden.co.uk