Antidote for Influenza Vaccination?

[Steve Scrutton]

I am treating several people who appear to have conracted illnesses after having the 'flu vaccine. In one case I would like to 'antidote' the vaccination. Has anyone any experience of doing this, and what did they use

I have a mind to use Influenzinum. Any thoughts?
Steve Scrutton
Registered Homeopath
Registrar - Alliance of Registered Homeopaths

"Homeopathy is a safe, gentle and effective medical therapy"

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[Shannon Nelson]

Hi Steve,

Wouldn't this have to be done on the basis of symptom picture? If you've
had a rash of "several", perhaps that suggests a faulty batch, in which case
there could be a number of possible causes I'd think, and nosode not
necessarily an answer.

Do you see a similarity in their symptom pictures?

Shannon
on 11/7/03 8:47 AM, Steve Scrutton at stevescrutton@btinternet.com wrote:

[Joy Lucas]

Dear Steve, I seem to get a least 2 or 3 clients every year, nearly always
at this time of year, soon after they have had their 'flu jabs to keep them
healthy (!) through the winter, and most of them elderly.

The symptoms are very much the same and I think they come under the dx
description of Guillain-Barre syndrome.

The two I had last year both received Cad Met and both cases resolved. I
know that isn't many cases using this rx but I would include it in NBWS 'flu
vaccine.

I don't have any experience using Influenzinum, but if it fits the
case.........

Best, Joy

www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
on 11/7/03 2:47 PM, Steve Scrutton at stevescrutton@btinternet.com wrote:

I am treating several people who appear to have conracted illnesses after
having the 'flu vaccine. In one case I would like to 'antidote' the
vaccination. Has anyone any experience of doing this, and what did they use

I have a mind to use Influenzinum. Any thoughts?
Steve Scrutton
Registered Homeopath
Registrar - Alliance of Registered Homeopaths

"Homeopathy is a safe, gentle and effective medical therapy"
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[Steve Scrutton]

Hi Shannon

No to all really!

The people have all come from different surgeries, and different areas - so
I don't think that it is a batch problem.

And the symptoms for each person that I suspect has sufferered from the
vaccination are also different - no doubt striking at the area of the body,
or the organs, that are most susceptible.

And no, I am finding that when there has been a reaction to a drug, or a
vaccination, antidoting that reaction by using the drug/vaccination in
homeopathic potency usually resolves the problem. However, it does not alway
seem to 'hold', that is, the problem returns, perhaps less severely than
before. Then I will resort to a 'puer' kind of homeopathy.

Robin Murphy gave a talk at the ARH conference in 2002 about how he was
developing this method. His argument is that as more and more illnesses are
caused by conventional medicine, the 'homeopathic' response was to use the
drug in homeopathic potency to cure the illness. I must say that in my more
limited experience it does seem to work well, and it is a useful short-cut
that gets good, quick results

Steve Scrutton
Registered Homeopath
Registrar - Alliance of Registered Homeopaths

"Homeopathy is a safe, gentle and effective medical therapy"

[Eleana Needham]

I seem to recall that Influenzinum is used prophylactically (much like you
would use malaria in potency and china if you were travelling in a
malaria-infested area), rather than as an "antidote" to the 'flu vaccine.

Any others out there with experience of using it?

Eleana

[Steve Scrutton]

Hello Joy
I am interested to hear of your experience, and your association with
Guillan Barre syndrome. Let me share a couple of recent cases that I am
associating with the 'flu jab - they may be interesting.

The first was an elderly lady I have been treating for depression and
arthritis. By early October she was well, and phoned me to call off an
appointment as she had to go to a funeral. I saw her yesterday and although
she still felt well in herself, and her energy was good (but not as good as
before), her arthritis had returned. I could not make sense of this until
she suddenly admitted that she had the 'flu jab (she had asked my opinion,
and I had told her not to have it). The arthritis returned within a couple
of days. On asking her how long she had been having flu jabs. It seems that
she has been having them for 10 years. It was 10 years ago that her
arthritis started. A coincidence - maybe? But I think not!

The other client a younger woman who is suffering from ME, I saw her for the
first time yesterday. She is also on anti-depressants, following a
seperation, following a miscarriage - and more besides. I will be treating
this first, although I feel that Nat Mur may cover the whole picture. When I
tried to find out what was happening at the time she first contracted ME I
could find nothing. It was an exceptioally happy time, she had just got
married, and life was good. But her job (within the health services) obliged
her to have a flu vaccination. So my original email was concerned with
this - just in case I need to antidote it in time..

Steve Scrutton
Registered Homeopath
Registrar - Alliance of Registered Homeopaths

"Homeopathy is a safe, gentle and effective medical therapy"

[Farbod Rahnamai]

Dear Eleana
If you mean Malaria Officinalis, as I know it is not a nosode of malaria. I
know this is not so related to Steve's question. But it worth discussing.
Best
Farbod

[Farbod Rahnamai]

Dear Steve

As I remember, the most important symptom of Guillan Barre syndrome is
ascending paralysis and we should count this rubric in our Guillan Barre
syndrome patients. And Conium. is the remedy which can cover the symptom.
Specially the depressed state of mind prove it. May we should think about
Conium maculatum.

Best
Farbod

[Joy Lucas]

Dear Steve, I associate a number of my cases with Guillain barre syndrome
not only because a number of the sx fit but also because of the link this
condition has with the flu vaccine - many cases date back to the 1976
outbreak after the use of the swine flu vaccine.

Onset is rapid (and in my experience very soon after the vaccine has been
given), can be ascending but not always, real weakness in legs and arms to
the point of paralysis. One case I had the person had got stuck in the bath
for 3 hours before someone came to help. There is numbness and pins and
needles type sensations and the limbs feel excessively heavy. Many other
muscles can be effected even to the point of causing acute breathing
difficulties. My clients didn't have the breathing problems but I think they
would have been covered by the Cad met as well.

Your cases seem to be complicated with other issues - mainly depression and
grief. Cadmium metallicum is one of the first remedies to consider for
influenza and it has a great deal of grief and depression in its symptom
picture so I would suggest you have a good read about it as it might fit
your cases.

Best wishes, Joy

www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
on 11/7/03 5:37 PM, Steve Scrutton at stevescrutton@btinternet.com wrote:

Hello Joy
I am interested to hear of your experience, and your association with
Guillan Barre syndrome. Let me share a couple of recent cases that I am
associating with the 'flu jab - they may be interesting.

The first was an elderly lady I have been treating for depression and
arthritis. By early October she was well, and phoned me to call off an
appointment as she had to go to a funeral. I saw her yesterday and although
she still felt well in herself, and her energy was good (but not as good as
before), her arthritis had returned. I could not make sense of this until
she suddenly admitted that she had the 'flu jab (she had asked my opinion,
and I had told her not to have it). The arthritis returned within a couple
of days. On asking her how long she had been having flu jabs. It seems that
she has been having them for 10 years. It was 10 years ago that her
arthritis started. A coincidence - maybe? But I think not!

The other client a younger woman who is suffering from ME, I saw her for the
first time yesterday. She is also on anti-depressants, following a
seperation, following a miscarriage - and more besides. I will be treating
this first, although I feel that Nat Mur may cover the whole picture. When I
tried to find out what was happening at the time she first contracted ME I
could find nothing. It was an exceptioally happy time, she had just got
married, and life was good. But her job (within the health services) obliged
her to have a flu vaccination. So my original email was concerned with
this - just in case I need to antidote it in time..

Steve Scrutton
Registered Homeopath
Registrar - Alliance of Registered Homeopaths

"Homeopathy is a safe, gentle and effective medical therapy"
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Eleana Needham]

Farbod

I was using Malaria as an example to illustrate the prophylactic use of
Influenzinum, not to compare it with the origins of the remedy - only its
potential use.

Regards
Eleana