Phytolacca Berry

[Rochelle]

Thanks so much for all your replies. Firstly I have no intention of using it as a tincture as I am aware of possible problems. I was thinking of using it bd in 6x homeopathic potency which I can get from Helios and stick on pillules. To me 6x is the way to use an organ rx so that it doesn't interfere with a constitutional Rx given high.

Thanks Atiq for your contribution as you are the only one so far who has admitted to actually using it on patients AND you are from UK.. Can you please tell me why you give 30C and the posology you use? Does it actually work in all cases? My patient is grossly obese.

Thanks also to Janice for the MM. There is a definite difference between the root and the berries and this is important to realise.

So is there anyone else out there who has used it.

Regards
Rochelle
www.rochellemarsden.co.uk

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[Atiq Ahmad Bhatti]

Rochelle,

I give 30c primarily because it fits the curve for 'most effective with minimum aggrvation'. And also, mainly because i wanted to play safe and use it is a potency I was familiar with.

It does work in all cases but the patient may sometimes require the constitutional remedy first.

For example, three patients with the following:
1. Patient A started to put weight on and is obese. The weight started to increase after an operation for a hysterectomy.

2. Patient B has always been a Calc Carb child and likes sweets and junk food.

3. Patient C is a depressed one who has given up hope due to a divorce and comfort eats.
Patient A would respond to a standard prescription.

Patient B would respond to a constitutional hit followed by the standard prescription.

Patient C would respond to the standard prescription.
Hope this helps. Sorry my examples are probably not the most challenging or descriptive.

atiq

[Rochelle]

So it sounds as if my obese patient who I have already given a constitutional to would fall into the second category. Have you ever tried the 6x potency?

Rochelle
www.rochellemarsden.co.uk

[Atiq Ahmad Bhatti]

No I haven't tried 6x yet.

I have heard that Calc 6x works very well for weight reduction. Don't know if anyone knows anymore on that?

[Rochelle]

Unless anyone comes up with anything different I think I will try 6x bd - This man has a lot of weight to drop and he has lost a bit , although this can't be weighed (he knows by clothes) so at least is trying. I can always go up .

Rochelle

www.rochellemarsden.co.uk

[Shannon Nelson]

Hi Atiq,

Do you (or anyone) have observations about how often the constitutional
remedy alone (by which I mean not Eizayaga's definition, but simply the
remedy indicated by largest available totality in the present time) might be
effective in reversing obesity?

In your example C, did you perhaps mean that, rather than giving phytolacca
etc., she would respond to a "situational" remedy (which might also be
called constitutional)? Which would ease her grief and eliminate the
comfort eating?

Shannon
on 10/13/03 9:24 AM, Atiq Ahmad Bhatti at atiq@homoeopathyforlife.co.uk
wrote:

[Shannon Nelson]

Hi Atiq,

Thanks, I am going to file all this away.
So with Phyt 30 (or 200) and crataegus (tincture or berries, I assume?),
would you give ficus also in 30c?

Interesting that calc is also added. I recall reading somewhere that if you
give calc when it is not needed, it may (sometimes) produce weight gain. I
recalled this after realizing I had just done just that, to myself! It was
quite odd; I just started gaining and gaining and gaining... Some months
and drastic measures later the weight gain stopped, but it was quite an, um,
"interesting" experience. (Esp. since I was somewhat overweight to begin
with, so this was *definitely* not curative for me!!!)

Thanks again,
Shannon
on 10/13/03 8:57 AM, Atiq Ahmad Bhatti at atiq@homoeopathyforlife.co.uk
wrote:

[Ruby]

Shannon,

I too am following this conversation closely. There's a couple things that I've learned about obesity that is not widely known. No physician has ever told me, which explains a lot of why people's blood work and their thyroid tests can come back looking "OK", but they are not functioning at their peek level, and that is that the Thyroid, if under stress, or illness makes a "Reverse T3", which is biologically exact, but in reverse. It's only purpose is to steal all the receptor sites to keep the metabolism from functioning properly, and allowing weight loss to occur. I "think" it's purpose is for self preservation, but sometimes gets "stuck", and that's why obesity is such a problem. It's NOT overeating, as I've seen skinny people who can out eat obese people... 4 to 1, and not gain an ounce! Their Thyroid is busy creating T-4 and T-3, but if the T-3 is reverse T-3, the thyroid screening doesn't pick up on it, and doctor's don't realize why the person is feeling so low.

There's also a little known fluke with the pancreas, called a "Fat Specific Insulin Receptor Knockout" that has shown some promise in research recently.. Some people have all the luck!

Just thought I'd mention it.

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Bob&Shannon wrote:

[Tanya Marquette]

Atiq,

do you find the patient's appetite altered? do they lose their cravings--specific or general?

i am still a bit confused about the need for a heart tonic rx. do you automatically give the tonic,
or wait and see?

also, if the pt is on a constitutional do you/can you give the phyto simultaneously?

tanya

[Ruby]

Dear Shannon,

Hi Shannon,
I originally found this info after looking for some connection between heat and metabolism.. Google brought this up. I then found more information that I compiled later, but this is a phenomena that is real; most MD's aren't aware of it.
Hope this is helpful.
http://www.garynull.com/Documents/Arthr ... herapy.htm

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