In no way do I wish to minimize your problem of requiring 25 years to find a good homeopath. But during that 25 years - were you harmed? Sticking with something of poor quality for 25 years does not make sense. You must have had some hope or success with homeopathy. My problem is the number of people suffering allopathic 'treatment' for 25 years that are poisoned, cut up, and left with no hope, or killed.
The training of homeopaths is imperfect. The people who come to homeopathic schools are imperfect. However, the training of allopaths is far worse. Most of us are dedicated and very hard working. Most of us take classes/seminars/short courses or voluminous reading every year to better serve our clients.
You indite the profession as not giving enough time to case taking and not keeping records. How many practitioners have you worked with? You will easily find a representative number on this list who will tell you case taking is the center of their practice time and their records are voluminous and detailed.
If you see problems with homeopathic training, I hope you can suggest some positive changes you believe would help our profession. You say you have 27 years of study, and you know what "various colleges and universities " are teaching. This puts you in an excellent position to offer your perspective. Please offer positive suggestions, not just gripes against the profession. Particularly in a group of dedicated practicioners and students.
Donna
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Hello Jagannath,
(I only saw this post today, after seeing Donna's response; sorry for the
delay1)
One difficult situation is that the term "homeopathy" today is applied to
*many* practices that, as you say, have really nothing to do with what
Hahnemann described, taught and practiced! The situation varies in various
parts of the world, and I'm not sure which part(s) of the world your
experiences occurred in (India?), but evidently you are in a place where the
classical approach is not well represented.
Because I certainly agree, one cannot practice classical/Hahnemannian
Homeopathy without questioning the patient!!!! And one cannot keep a
competent practice in this method without keeping good, solid records.
(Additionally, here in the US good records are essential for *legal* reasons
as well.)
I do think it is very sad to have the same term ("homeopathy") has come to
be used so loosely, but that is the situation we have to deal with at
present. Which gives yet another reason why it is *so* important for the
classical (and related) community to publicize what we do and why, and how
it differs from e.g. quick this-for-that prescribing, combos, etc. Every
homeopath I have worked with (all classical-ish) has been (a) quite unafraid
to ask questions (1-2 hour initial casetaking is standard, and more if
needed) and (b) very careful about tracking progress, so that changes and
new symptoms can be accurately evaluated.
Can you tell us more about where your experiences have taken place, and how
these folks practiced without asking many questions or keeping records?
Best wishes,
Shannon
on 8/31/04 7:32 AM, jagchat01 at jagchat01@yahoo.com wrote:
(I only saw this post today, after seeing Donna's response; sorry for the
delay1)
One difficult situation is that the term "homeopathy" today is applied to
*many* practices that, as you say, have really nothing to do with what
Hahnemann described, taught and practiced! The situation varies in various
parts of the world, and I'm not sure which part(s) of the world your
experiences occurred in (India?), but evidently you are in a place where the
classical approach is not well represented.
Because I certainly agree, one cannot practice classical/Hahnemannian
Homeopathy without questioning the patient!!!! And one cannot keep a
competent practice in this method without keeping good, solid records.
(Additionally, here in the US good records are essential for *legal* reasons
as well.)
I do think it is very sad to have the same term ("homeopathy") has come to
be used so loosely, but that is the situation we have to deal with at
present. Which gives yet another reason why it is *so* important for the
classical (and related) community to publicize what we do and why, and how
it differs from e.g. quick this-for-that prescribing, combos, etc. Every
homeopath I have worked with (all classical-ish) has been (a) quite unafraid
to ask questions (1-2 hour initial casetaking is standard, and more if
needed) and (b) very careful about tracking progress, so that changes and
new symptoms can be accurately evaluated.
Can you tell us more about where your experiences have taken place, and how
these folks practiced without asking many questions or keeping records?
Best wishes,
Shannon
on 8/31/04 7:32 AM, jagchat01 at jagchat01@yahoo.com wrote:
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Re: Hello
Hello Robin,
I have had trouble posting this even though I have tried twice. It
heads off to NASA! Will try again.
Saturday, April 23, 2005, 11:54:05 PM, you wrote:
R> Has it ever been discussed on here how people manage to produce cases, often
R> more than one, of so many very unusual remedies? I have been in very busy
R> practice for over 20 years and would be unable to present a cured case of
R> Dulcamara, Cimicifuga, Rhus venenata, Crocus, Kali mur, Ferrum phos, Mag
R> sulph, Muriatic acid, Cenchris, Vespa, Asteria rubens to name a very few.
R> Not even a really convinscing case of Ant crud or Ambra grisea. yet
R> colleagues, may who have less experiencethan me continually roll out cases
R> of remedies we hadnt even heard of until 7 or 8 years ago. Whats this all
R> about? People prove a remedy like earthworm or something and then present 3
R> cases of it. Actually after 22 years Im not sure I would find a true
R> Aconite case in my files.
Hi Robin,
This is something I have also wondered about. For years I have
described myself as just a "bread and butter" homeopath because
polycrests are the mainstay of my practice. Exotic remedies are
prescribed occasionally and often not as successfully as I would like.
Bu-u-u-t, now I have a few miles under my belt it does not bother me
so much because my patients generally do very well on polycrests.
Perhaps it is better to know many facets of our more common remedies
rather than superficially understand a larger but more obscure number.
I take heart that Hahnemann did good work with a fraction of the
remedies we have at hand today. Does this mean we should not bother
studying new materia medica? No, but it is important not to spread the
icing too thinly on the cake for our years of experience.
I am also aware of the pressures on homeopaths when they enter greater
prominence. Kent fell victim to it when he synthesised symptoms at his
desk of compounds of existing remedies and allowed them to be
published as proving symptoms. The uproar created was lost with the
passage of time and these pseudo-provings entered our materia medicas
and repertories with most being unaware of their origin. Perhaps this
is why they have never worked for me. Homeopaths are still vulnerable
to the same pressures today - must be our egos.
In this country, Australia, I have heard it called "sexy" homeopathy -
where homeopathy is sexed up to maintain a reputation, create a
following, or impress students. Perhaps we need to look at the way we
approach our education and present our seminars. If
homeopaths/lecturers are encouraged to teach fantastical theories or
obscure images of remedies to draw a crowd or maintain student
interest, surely we are doing a disservice to homeopathy. Students
often seem to leave college with the impression that polycrest
prescribing is boring (shows you are not a real homeopath) and that
they should be bending over backwards in looking for the bizarre in
the commonplace.
Do I think that every homeopath who presents a new remedy or case is
guilty of this? No, but I have come to love the homeopaths who know
and strenuously teach the basics while cautiously advancing new
ideas, not vice versa.
--
Best regards,
Fran mailto:FranSheffield@ourimbah.com
I have had trouble posting this even though I have tried twice. It
heads off to NASA! Will try again.
Saturday, April 23, 2005, 11:54:05 PM, you wrote:
R> Has it ever been discussed on here how people manage to produce cases, often
R> more than one, of so many very unusual remedies? I have been in very busy
R> practice for over 20 years and would be unable to present a cured case of
R> Dulcamara, Cimicifuga, Rhus venenata, Crocus, Kali mur, Ferrum phos, Mag
R> sulph, Muriatic acid, Cenchris, Vespa, Asteria rubens to name a very few.
R> Not even a really convinscing case of Ant crud or Ambra grisea. yet
R> colleagues, may who have less experiencethan me continually roll out cases
R> of remedies we hadnt even heard of until 7 or 8 years ago. Whats this all
R> about? People prove a remedy like earthworm or something and then present 3
R> cases of it. Actually after 22 years Im not sure I would find a true
R> Aconite case in my files.
Hi Robin,
This is something I have also wondered about. For years I have
described myself as just a "bread and butter" homeopath because
polycrests are the mainstay of my practice. Exotic remedies are
prescribed occasionally and often not as successfully as I would like.
Bu-u-u-t, now I have a few miles under my belt it does not bother me
so much because my patients generally do very well on polycrests.
Perhaps it is better to know many facets of our more common remedies
rather than superficially understand a larger but more obscure number.
I take heart that Hahnemann did good work with a fraction of the
remedies we have at hand today. Does this mean we should not bother
studying new materia medica? No, but it is important not to spread the
icing too thinly on the cake for our years of experience.
I am also aware of the pressures on homeopaths when they enter greater
prominence. Kent fell victim to it when he synthesised symptoms at his
desk of compounds of existing remedies and allowed them to be
published as proving symptoms. The uproar created was lost with the
passage of time and these pseudo-provings entered our materia medicas
and repertories with most being unaware of their origin. Perhaps this
is why they have never worked for me. Homeopaths are still vulnerable
to the same pressures today - must be our egos.
In this country, Australia, I have heard it called "sexy" homeopathy -
where homeopathy is sexed up to maintain a reputation, create a
following, or impress students. Perhaps we need to look at the way we
approach our education and present our seminars. If
homeopaths/lecturers are encouraged to teach fantastical theories or
obscure images of remedies to draw a crowd or maintain student
interest, surely we are doing a disservice to homeopathy. Students
often seem to leave college with the impression that polycrest
prescribing is boring (shows you are not a real homeopath) and that
they should be bending over backwards in looking for the bizarre in
the commonplace.
Do I think that every homeopath who presents a new remedy or case is
guilty of this? No, but I have come to love the homeopaths who know
and strenuously teach the basics while cautiously advancing new
ideas, not vice versa.
--
Best regards,
Fran mailto:FranSheffield@ourimbah.com
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Fran Sheffield
- Posts: 676
- Joined: Sun Nov 28, 2004 11:00 pm
Re: Hello
Hello Robin,
I have had trouble posting this even though I have tried twice. It
heads off to NASA! Will try again.
Saturday, April 23, 2005, 11:54:05 PM, you wrote:
R> Has it ever been discussed on here how people manage to produce cases, often
R> more than one, of so many very unusual remedies? I have been in very busy
R> practice for over 20 years and would be unable to present a cured case of
R> Dulcamara, Cimicifuga, Rhus venenata, Crocus, Kali mur, Ferrum phos, Mag
R> sulph, Muriatic acid, Cenchris, Vespa, Asteria rubens to name a very few.
R> Not even a really convinscing case of Ant crud or Ambra grisea. yet
R> colleagues, may who have less experiencethan me continually roll out cases
R> of remedies we hadnt even heard of until 7 or 8 years ago. Whats this all
R> about? People prove a remedy like earthworm or something and then present 3
R> cases of it. Actually after 22 years Im not sure I would find a true
R> Aconite case in my files.
Hi Robin,
This is something I have also wondered about. For years I have
described myself as just a "bread and butter" homeopath because
polycrests are the mainstay of my practice. Exotic remedies are
prescribed occasionally and often not as successfully as I would like.
Bu-u-u-t, now I have a few miles under my belt it does not bother me
so much because my patients generally do very well on polycrests.
Perhaps it is better to know many facets of our more common remedies
rather than superficially understand a larger but more obscure number.
I take heart that Hahnemann did good work with a fraction of the
remedies we have at hand today. Does this mean we should not bother
studying new materia medica? No, but it is important not to spread the
icing too thinly on the cake for our years of experience.
I am also aware of the pressures on homeopaths when they enter greater
prominence. Kent fell victim to it when he synthesised symptoms at his
desk of compounds of existing remedies and allowed them to be
published as proving symptoms. The uproar created was lost with the
passage of time and these pseudo-provings entered our materia medicas
and repertories with most being unaware of their origin. Perhaps this
is why they have never worked for me. Homeopaths are still vulnerable
to the same pressures today - must be our egos.
In this country, Australia, I have heard it called "sexy" homeopathy -
where homeopathy is sexed up to maintain a reputation, create a
following, or impress students. Perhaps we need to look at the way we
approach our education and present our seminars. If
homeopaths/lecturers are encouraged to teach fantastical theories or
obscure images of remedies to draw a crowd or maintain student
interest, surely we are doing a disservice to homeopathy. Students
often seem to leave college with the impression that polycrest
prescribing is boring (shows you are not a real homeopath) and that
they should be bending over backwards in looking for the bizarre in
the commonplace.
Do I think that every homeopath who presents a new remedy or case is
guilty of this? No, but I have come to love the homeopaths who know
and strenuously teach the basics while cautiously advancing new
ideas, not vice versa.
--
Best regards,
Fran mailto:FranSheffield@ourimbah.com
I have had trouble posting this even though I have tried twice. It
heads off to NASA! Will try again.
Saturday, April 23, 2005, 11:54:05 PM, you wrote:
R> Has it ever been discussed on here how people manage to produce cases, often
R> more than one, of so many very unusual remedies? I have been in very busy
R> practice for over 20 years and would be unable to present a cured case of
R> Dulcamara, Cimicifuga, Rhus venenata, Crocus, Kali mur, Ferrum phos, Mag
R> sulph, Muriatic acid, Cenchris, Vespa, Asteria rubens to name a very few.
R> Not even a really convinscing case of Ant crud or Ambra grisea. yet
R> colleagues, may who have less experiencethan me continually roll out cases
R> of remedies we hadnt even heard of until 7 or 8 years ago. Whats this all
R> about? People prove a remedy like earthworm or something and then present 3
R> cases of it. Actually after 22 years Im not sure I would find a true
R> Aconite case in my files.
Hi Robin,
This is something I have also wondered about. For years I have
described myself as just a "bread and butter" homeopath because
polycrests are the mainstay of my practice. Exotic remedies are
prescribed occasionally and often not as successfully as I would like.
Bu-u-u-t, now I have a few miles under my belt it does not bother me
so much because my patients generally do very well on polycrests.
Perhaps it is better to know many facets of our more common remedies
rather than superficially understand a larger but more obscure number.
I take heart that Hahnemann did good work with a fraction of the
remedies we have at hand today. Does this mean we should not bother
studying new materia medica? No, but it is important not to spread the
icing too thinly on the cake for our years of experience.
I am also aware of the pressures on homeopaths when they enter greater
prominence. Kent fell victim to it when he synthesised symptoms at his
desk of compounds of existing remedies and allowed them to be
published as proving symptoms. The uproar created was lost with the
passage of time and these pseudo-provings entered our materia medicas
and repertories with most being unaware of their origin. Perhaps this
is why they have never worked for me. Homeopaths are still vulnerable
to the same pressures today - must be our egos.
In this country, Australia, I have heard it called "sexy" homeopathy -
where homeopathy is sexed up to maintain a reputation, create a
following, or impress students. Perhaps we need to look at the way we
approach our education and present our seminars. If
homeopaths/lecturers are encouraged to teach fantastical theories or
obscure images of remedies to draw a crowd or maintain student
interest, surely we are doing a disservice to homeopathy. Students
often seem to leave college with the impression that polycrest
prescribing is boring (shows you are not a real homeopath) and that
they should be bending over backwards in looking for the bizarre in
the commonplace.
Do I think that every homeopath who presents a new remedy or case is
guilty of this? No, but I have come to love the homeopaths who know
and strenuously teach the basics while cautiously advancing new
ideas, not vice versa.
--
Best regards,
Fran mailto:FranSheffield@ourimbah.com
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Dear friends and colleagues,
I'm Ardavan writing with my new email address. I hope that you're all doing well.
Please consider this email address change. New email: dr.shahrdar@yahoo.com
If you have contacted me in the last 6-7 months with no reply from me, please write to me again.
I have many things to do to compensate for this long absence. Please feel free to write for me privately. Those who were participating in my unfinished online courses please write for me again. I need the new emails for updating the databases.
And a great thanks for Soroush for accepting the responsibility of moderation of the Minutus group. I know that this is a great task. I was myself surprised to see there are now more than 2000 members in Minutus group!
With the best regards,
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Please consider this email address change. New email: dr.shahrdar@yahoo.com
If you have contacted me in the last 6-7 months with no reply from me, please write to me again.
I have many things to do to compensate for this long absence. Please feel free to write for me privately. Those who were participating in my unfinished online courses please write for me again. I need the new emails for updating the databases.
And a great thanks for Soroush for accepting the responsibility of moderation of the Minutus group. I know that this is a great task. I was myself surprised to see there are now more than 2000 members in Minutus group!
With the best regards,
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Good to hear from you Ardavan. I pray for you and your country .
May peace ,good sense ,tolerance and compassion prevail.
Will you resume being Moderator at some time.? You had a good touch.
Blessings Jean
May peace ,good sense ,tolerance and compassion prevail.
Will you resume being Moderator at some time.? You had a good touch.
Blessings Jean