Ailanthus

[ewighton]

Hi Shannon,

I have three pages on Ailanthus in each of:
Robin Murphy's Lotus Materia Medica and;
Frans Vermeulens Concordant Materia Medica both 2000 editions but I
see we can't attach to these emails.
Am I able to email them to you?

Regards

Elizabeth

[Shannon Nelson]

Hi Elizabeth,

Thank you!!! I have an older version of Vermeullen, which on the mentals
has only this:

General stupor [[2] or stoic indifference], with sighing. Confused
mind, mental depression. [2] Dulness, must read a subject several times or
figures over and over again. All antecedents are forgotten. Raging delirium
with brilliant eyes. Constant muttering delirium; with sleeplessness and
restlessness. [6] Depression with constant sighing. [7] Semi-conscious;
can't comprehend what is said to him. [11] Past events are forgotten,
remembered as belonging to some one else, or as matters read. Mental
alienation. Anxiety about present and future events. Feeling as if she would
go crazy.

Does your version have more than that? (I'm particularly looking for
mentals.)
I don't have Murphy's, and would love to get it, if you can! Would it work
to copy the info and insert it into the e-mail, rather than attaching?

Again, thanks so much!
Shannon
on 8/26/03 12:40 AM, ewighton at wighton@powerup.com.au wrote:

[Joy Lucas]

Ailanthus, not called the Tree of Heaven for nothing.

Wants to reach for the heavens, the sky, but they are extremely heedless
and, as if struck down by lightning, they cannot achieve this desire - there
is sensation as if electric current going through body from head downward
through the limbs.

There are piercing pains, burnings and a sense of fullness throughout - the
head feels full, (as if the head is full of great ideas).

Because they are 'struck down' they become very sad and depressed, very
weepy and sigh a lot. Can even become suicidal - suicide during maniacal
delirium, sees rats, fever predominates and can seem crazy (like Bell?).

Everything seems unreal and they act as though they are in a dream, as if
their heads are in the clouds (in the heavens?, delusion tall??). They
forget who a familiar person is and cannot calculate. This makes them
nervous, restless, even more confused and very anxious, even become
irritable (liver remedy). They talk to themselves, mutter all the time and
talk in their sleep.

Finally can become totally indifferent and indolent, verging on
unconsciousness (especially during delirium/fever)

Prostration is sudden, 'struck down' with fever. Very important throat
remedy - strep throat and tonsilitis. Is also a haemorrhagic remedy + skin
and bowels.

Best, Joy

www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com

[Shannon Nelson]

Thanks Joy -- Your trademark vivid, lovely description!
(Do you happen to recall either seeing or reading cases of its use in a
chronic case?)
Thanks again!
Shannon
on 8/26/03 8:19 AM, Joy Lucas at joy.lucas@ntlworld.com wrote:

[Joy Lucas]

Dear Shannon, have only used it as an acute when Bell failed.

Doesn't Clarke give any? perhaps Andy (lollipops:-)) will delve into his
computerised reps.

Another reason it is first and foremost an acute rx is that many of the MM's
will say "stout and robust" - makes you think of Bryonia to which it is
related - they are like this when well and that is how much they are
suddenly transformed when ill.

I will have a bit of a research for you but can't remember anything off
hand.

It is a Mumps rx as well. Interestingly related to Lac can which might give
you some clues.

If you really are struggling to find any information then try and make a
time line out of the sx - reaching for the sky, gets a shock, sudden
prostration and low grade fever, pathology begins with either haemorrhages,
bowels, skin, throat infections, then, when they cannot get better the
chronic state takes over and the emotional and mental sx persist. Perhaps
recurring throat infections will be present. It is a meningitis rx which
links the fever and brain (mentals).

best, Joy

www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
on 8/26/03 3:13 PM, Bob&Shannon at shannonnelson@tds.net wrote:

Thanks Joy -- Your trademark vivid, lovely description!
(Do you happen to recall either seeing or reading cases of its use in a
chronic case?)
Thanks again!
Shannon
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[V.T. Yekkirala]

Hi,
Now that ail is being discussed , the following may sound interesting.
"ALOES-
- This drug has been found effectual repeatedly in removing a peculiar
heavy, dull, pressing pain in forehead, of no great severity, but which
indisposes to or even incapacitates for all exertion, especially for
intellectual labor.
- This state of the head has appeared in the person of the writer, every
year for the last ten or twelve, on the blossoming of the ailanthus.
- He found no remedy for it till he received the proving of Aloes.
- A single dose of this drug in the 200th potency, has always been efficient
for its removal.
- Dr. P. P. Wells. (From Hoyne's Clinical therapeutics)"

Since Hoyne mentioned it in his book, Wells must have been a good homeopath
of his times
and hence reliable.
with best wishes,
V.T.Yekkirala.

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[Joy Lucas]

Indeed, Aloes antidotes Ailanthus, as does Nux vom and Rhus tox according to
the MM's (I am just reading P. Sankaran's little book on the clinical
relationship of Hom rx).

And it is worth noting that Ailanthus has periodicity as part of its sx
picture - just like the annual blossom, the skin sx return annually.

best, Joy

www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
on 8/27/03 5:49 PM, V.T. Yekkirala at vtyekkirala@hotmail.com wrote:

Hi,
Now that ail is being discussed , the following may sound interesting.
"ALOES-
- This drug has been found effectual repeatedly in removing a peculiar
heavy, dull, pressing pain in forehead, of no great severity, but which
indisposes to or even incapacitates for all exertion, especially for
intellectual labor.
- This state of the head has appeared in the person of the writer, every
year for the last ten or twelve, on the blossoming of the ailanthus.
- He found no remedy for it till he received the proving of Aloes.
- A single dose of this drug in the 200th potency, has always been efficient
for its removal.
- Dr. P. P. Wells. (From Hoyne's Clinical therapeutics)"

Since Hoyne mentioned it in his book, Wells must have been a good homeopath
of his times
and hence reliable.
with best wishes,
V.T.Yekkirala.
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