Hi friends,
It has been pretty slow - on my email anyway, maybe the virus
which, thank goodness so far has not hit.
So, thought I would ask some questions, if anyone has thoughts and
suggestions, I am happy to hear them.
This involves a client of mine presents like a rhus tox, and has been on
that since I started to see him almost 2 years now. Nux in LM potency
has done a lot. He actually had a positive Lyme disease test and the
homeopathy has gotten him through that.
Problem is, the remedy doesn't hold. He felt 'cured' for 6 months or so
and went without any remedy but then went down very hard, came back, and
more Rhus helps but just isn't boosting the energy up.
Family Hx of cancer, both parents died of it and some grandparents.
We tried Carc 200 C, he was 'wonderful for 36 hours' and then relapsed
again.
So, I went to Ramakristian's dosing schedule with the Carcinosin, and
that worked nicely for the week, but not much longer after that, and
back to the Rhust tox in LM (took 2 or 3 times) for the next week. Now
back on Carc in that bottle with the 10 tsp daily and every 15 minute
dose. He says he is doing much better.
It seems to be working, but I am now operating outside of my comfort
level. Do I just keep him on this program and see how it goes?
Ramakristian goes up potencies eventually, When and why?
BTW, I did ask him to get a blood test (electrolytes, CBC, Liver
functions) and maybe that will shed a light somewhere, but he will have
the test next week and that means he will have been on the above
protocall for almost a month.
Thanks for your thoughts.
Ramakristian's proceedure - questions
Re: Ramakristian's proceedure - questions
Dear Maria,
Dr R only does that dosing protocol for cancer, nothing else and then for months even a couple of years alternating with another suitable Rx until the tumour recedes. His normal dosing protocol is a Rx in 200C qd weekly or fortnightly. He reckons he doesn't get aggs either!! Now I have given Carc 200 in a WP for months - 5 succussions and 5 drops and it has worked well. The other thing is that I have gone onto using Carc Co. or Carc M which is 10-15 different cancer nosodes rather than just the breast nosode as Tinus Smits does see http://www.tinussmits.com/english/ and I reckon it is much better.
Regards,
Rochelle
.www.rochellemarsden.co.uk
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Dr R only does that dosing protocol for cancer, nothing else and then for months even a couple of years alternating with another suitable Rx until the tumour recedes. His normal dosing protocol is a Rx in 200C qd weekly or fortnightly. He reckons he doesn't get aggs either!! Now I have given Carc 200 in a WP for months - 5 succussions and 5 drops and it has worked well. The other thing is that I have gone onto using Carc Co. or Carc M which is 10-15 different cancer nosodes rather than just the breast nosode as Tinus Smits does see http://www.tinussmits.com/english/ and I reckon it is much better.
Regards,
Rochelle
.www.rochellemarsden.co.uk
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Maria Bohle
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Re: Ramakristian's proceedure - questions
Hi Rosemary,
Thank you for your response, this is just the info I was looking
for.
He is on Rhus tox LM 7 now, first saw him in May 02, and he has moved up
the LM scale since then.
big family hx of cancer both parents in their 70s, one grandparent and
one grandparent died of pneumonia in his late 20s.
Client is thin. hx of lyme disease, has asbestosis, lung problems and
arthritis.
Disabled for years.
Was almost cured several times and then relapses, goes down fast, hard
and low. Lost 20 pounds this last time and can ill afford to lose the
weight. Gets lower with each relapse like he has no reserves.
Acutally, I didn't like the sound of the relapse and put him on Carc
200C, which made him feel wonderful and 'normal' but then he relapsed
again, no energy, etc.
So, I can 'see' a cancer waiting for a place to happen, and tried the
plussing.
Which worked!! But then did not want to interrrupt the Rhus which still
works so kept him on that regime.
Didn't know where to go from here, so wrote to the lists.
Am thinking of trying Anacardium on Sankaran's thoughts that it is a
cancerous member of the rhus family.
He would be happy to end this multiple dosing, so suggestions are
appreciated - Maybe I should go up with the
CARC as it is an inherited disease state?
But that asbestosis is a sleeper isn't it? And when he goes down I am
afraid it will take off.
Warmly, Maria
Message: 11
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 21:19:37 -0700
From: "Rosemary Hyde"
Subject: Re: [H] Re:Ramakristian's proceedure - questions
Hi, Maria.
Could you clarify a bit as to the doses you're giving? Is the Rhus-t
also being given according to the "plussing method" -- i.e., ten doses a
day in water?
A couple of things make Dr. Ramakrishnan's method work without producing
severe aggravations, it seems to me. One is that the week of nosode
(Carcinosin) at ten doses a day within a 1.5 to 2.5 time period (also
important) is then balanced out by an alternating week of the "organ
specific" remedy at the same intensity. Also, rather than keeping the
same solution of the two remedies, Dr. Ramakrishnan has the patient
discard the solutions after one week, and start over again from 200c the
next time that remedy is used.
In addition, Dr. Ramakrishnan very assiduously separates out this method
as to be used only with cancer. I may have missed something in the
initial post -- is this a cancer treatment? He treats other serious
diseases successfully with a different method, alternating a split dose
(four times in 24 hours) of the nosode and the constitutional or
disease-specific remedy on a weekly or biweekly basis, generally 200c of
both remedies.
If you are giving Carcinosin 200c ten doses a day, you would want to wait
for several months before raising the potency to 1M, and probably would
never go to 10M according to Dr. Ramakrishnan's method. If you did
finally go to 10M, it would be after a very long time.
In any case, I see some possible concerns in the scenario you're
describing....
I have a feeling that I may have misunderstood something in your summary,
and if so, please forgive me for making these comments... Hope it goes
well with your patient.
Rosemary
Thank you for your response, this is just the info I was looking
for.
He is on Rhus tox LM 7 now, first saw him in May 02, and he has moved up
the LM scale since then.
big family hx of cancer both parents in their 70s, one grandparent and
one grandparent died of pneumonia in his late 20s.
Client is thin. hx of lyme disease, has asbestosis, lung problems and
arthritis.
Disabled for years.
Was almost cured several times and then relapses, goes down fast, hard
and low. Lost 20 pounds this last time and can ill afford to lose the
weight. Gets lower with each relapse like he has no reserves.
Acutally, I didn't like the sound of the relapse and put him on Carc
200C, which made him feel wonderful and 'normal' but then he relapsed
again, no energy, etc.
So, I can 'see' a cancer waiting for a place to happen, and tried the
plussing.
Which worked!! But then did not want to interrrupt the Rhus which still
works so kept him on that regime.
Didn't know where to go from here, so wrote to the lists.
Am thinking of trying Anacardium on Sankaran's thoughts that it is a
cancerous member of the rhus family.
He would be happy to end this multiple dosing, so suggestions are
appreciated - Maybe I should go up with the
CARC as it is an inherited disease state?
But that asbestosis is a sleeper isn't it? And when he goes down I am
afraid it will take off.
Warmly, Maria
Message: 11
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 21:19:37 -0700
From: "Rosemary Hyde"
Subject: Re: [H] Re:Ramakristian's proceedure - questions
Hi, Maria.
Could you clarify a bit as to the doses you're giving? Is the Rhus-t
also being given according to the "plussing method" -- i.e., ten doses a
day in water?
A couple of things make Dr. Ramakrishnan's method work without producing
severe aggravations, it seems to me. One is that the week of nosode
(Carcinosin) at ten doses a day within a 1.5 to 2.5 time period (also
important) is then balanced out by an alternating week of the "organ
specific" remedy at the same intensity. Also, rather than keeping the
same solution of the two remedies, Dr. Ramakrishnan has the patient
discard the solutions after one week, and start over again from 200c the
next time that remedy is used.
In addition, Dr. Ramakrishnan very assiduously separates out this method
as to be used only with cancer. I may have missed something in the
initial post -- is this a cancer treatment? He treats other serious
diseases successfully with a different method, alternating a split dose
(four times in 24 hours) of the nosode and the constitutional or
disease-specific remedy on a weekly or biweekly basis, generally 200c of
both remedies.
If you are giving Carcinosin 200c ten doses a day, you would want to wait
for several months before raising the potency to 1M, and probably would
never go to 10M according to Dr. Ramakrishnan's method. If you did
finally go to 10M, it would be after a very long time.
In any case, I see some possible concerns in the scenario you're
describing....
I have a feeling that I may have misunderstood something in your summary,
and if so, please forgive me for making these comments... Hope it goes
well with your patient.
Rosemary
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Maria Bohle
- Posts: 782
- Joined: Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:00 pm
Re: Ramakristian's proceedure - questions
Hi Rosemary,
Thank you for your response, this is just the info I was looking
for.
He is on Rhus tox LM 7 now, first saw him in May 02, and he has moved up
the LM scale since then.
big family hx of cancer both parents in their 70s, one grandparent and
one grandparent died of pneumonia in his late 20s.
Client is thin. hx of lyme disease, has asbestosis, lung problems and
arthritis.
Disabled for years.
Was almost cured several times and then relapses, goes down fast, hard
and low. Lost 20 pounds this last time and can ill afford to lose the
weight. Gets lower with each relapse like he has no reserves.
Acutally, I didn't like the sound of the relapse and put him on Carc
200C, which made him feel wonderful and 'normal' but then he relapsed
again, no energy, etc.
So, I can 'see' a cancer waiting for a place to happen, and tried the
plussing.
Which worked!! But then did not want to interrrupt the Rhus which still
works so kept him on that regime.
Didn't know where to go from here, so wrote to the lists.
Am thinking of trying Anacardium on Sankaran's thoughts that it is a
cancerous member of the rhus family.
He would be happy to end this multiple dosing, so suggestions are
appreciated - Maybe I should go up with the
CARC as it is an inherited disease state?
But that asbestosis is a sleeper isn't it? And when he goes down I am
afraid it will take off.
Warmly, Maria
Message: 11
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 21:19:37 -0700
From: "Rosemary Hyde"
Subject: Re: [H] Re:Ramakristian's proceedure - questions
Hi, Maria.
Could you clarify a bit as to the doses you're giving? Is the Rhus-t
also being given according to the "plussing method" -- i.e., ten doses a
day in water?
A couple of things make Dr. Ramakrishnan's method work without producing
severe aggravations, it seems to me. One is that the week of nosode
(Carcinosin) at ten doses a day within a 1.5 to 2.5 time period (also
important) is then balanced out by an alternating week of the "organ
specific" remedy at the same intensity. Also, rather than keeping the
same solution of the two remedies, Dr. Ramakrishnan has the patient
discard the solutions after one week, and start over again from 200c the
next time that remedy is used.
In addition, Dr. Ramakrishnan very assiduously separates out this method
as to be used only with cancer. I may have missed something in the
initial post -- is this a cancer treatment? He treats other serious
diseases successfully with a different method, alternating a split dose
(four times in 24 hours) of the nosode and the constitutional or
disease-specific remedy on a weekly or biweekly basis, generally 200c of
both remedies.
If you are giving Carcinosin 200c ten doses a day, you would want to wait
for several months before raising the potency to 1M, and probably would
never go to 10M according to Dr. Ramakrishnan's method. If you did
finally go to 10M, it would be after a very long time.
In any case, I see some possible concerns in the scenario you're
describing....
I have a feeling that I may have misunderstood something in your summary,
and if so, please forgive me for making these comments... Hope it goes
well with your patient.
Rosemary
Thank you for your response, this is just the info I was looking
for.
He is on Rhus tox LM 7 now, first saw him in May 02, and he has moved up
the LM scale since then.
big family hx of cancer both parents in their 70s, one grandparent and
one grandparent died of pneumonia in his late 20s.
Client is thin. hx of lyme disease, has asbestosis, lung problems and
arthritis.
Disabled for years.
Was almost cured several times and then relapses, goes down fast, hard
and low. Lost 20 pounds this last time and can ill afford to lose the
weight. Gets lower with each relapse like he has no reserves.
Acutally, I didn't like the sound of the relapse and put him on Carc
200C, which made him feel wonderful and 'normal' but then he relapsed
again, no energy, etc.
So, I can 'see' a cancer waiting for a place to happen, and tried the
plussing.
Which worked!! But then did not want to interrrupt the Rhus which still
works so kept him on that regime.
Didn't know where to go from here, so wrote to the lists.
Am thinking of trying Anacardium on Sankaran's thoughts that it is a
cancerous member of the rhus family.
He would be happy to end this multiple dosing, so suggestions are
appreciated - Maybe I should go up with the
CARC as it is an inherited disease state?
But that asbestosis is a sleeper isn't it? And when he goes down I am
afraid it will take off.
Warmly, Maria
Message: 11
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 21:19:37 -0700
From: "Rosemary Hyde"
Subject: Re: [H] Re:Ramakristian's proceedure - questions
Hi, Maria.
Could you clarify a bit as to the doses you're giving? Is the Rhus-t
also being given according to the "plussing method" -- i.e., ten doses a
day in water?
A couple of things make Dr. Ramakrishnan's method work without producing
severe aggravations, it seems to me. One is that the week of nosode
(Carcinosin) at ten doses a day within a 1.5 to 2.5 time period (also
important) is then balanced out by an alternating week of the "organ
specific" remedy at the same intensity. Also, rather than keeping the
same solution of the two remedies, Dr. Ramakrishnan has the patient
discard the solutions after one week, and start over again from 200c the
next time that remedy is used.
In addition, Dr. Ramakrishnan very assiduously separates out this method
as to be used only with cancer. I may have missed something in the
initial post -- is this a cancer treatment? He treats other serious
diseases successfully with a different method, alternating a split dose
(four times in 24 hours) of the nosode and the constitutional or
disease-specific remedy on a weekly or biweekly basis, generally 200c of
both remedies.
If you are giving Carcinosin 200c ten doses a day, you would want to wait
for several months before raising the potency to 1M, and probably would
never go to 10M according to Dr. Ramakrishnan's method. If you did
finally go to 10M, it would be after a very long time.
In any case, I see some possible concerns in the scenario you're
describing....
I have a feeling that I may have misunderstood something in your summary,
and if so, please forgive me for making these comments... Hope it goes
well with your patient.
Rosemary
Re: Ramakristian's proceedure - questions
Lyme disease, arthritis and asbestosis - arsenicum, possibly kali iod.
best, Joy
www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
best, Joy
www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
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Shannon Nelson
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Re: Ramakristian's proceedure - questions
Hi Maria,
It sounds to me as tho he's been palliated by "close" remedies, while the
disease has continued its march underneath. (This is a different situation
from "suppression", but the result is very similar!)
Is there any possibility of taking him off *all* remedies for a while, and
using other measures -- nutrition, herbs, cell salts, hydrotherapy, physical
therapy, and/or whatever -- to build him up before you try further with
remedies? Maybe cell salts aimed at some of the more obvious physical sxs,
including maybe silica for the lungs??? I know this is a more superficial
and less deeply curative approach, but I wonder whether it might help him to
build up some more reserve, and perhaps even clarify the symptom picture?
In my limited but consistent past experience, when a potency loses its grip
so quickly (e.g. 200 lasting only 36 hours and now that is fading) it has
always meant simply that the remedy is wrong. In a couple of my instances,
the *short-term* results were *quite* excellent, yet did not follow thru; if
the remedy can't maintain its grip, it means either "the pt is incurable"
(which I would never say, but would prefer to say) or, the remedy is not
sufficiently exact. The lower the patient's vitality (what I recall from
reading), the more exact the remedy fit must be. A very vital patient can
make do with a "sorta-kinda" match, but one that is very weak will need a
very tight fit. Which might be yet another reason to try building him up a
bit before continuing?
Shannon
on 8/26/03 8:23 AM, Maria Bohle at MBohle@juno.com wrote:
It sounds to me as tho he's been palliated by "close" remedies, while the
disease has continued its march underneath. (This is a different situation
from "suppression", but the result is very similar!)
Is there any possibility of taking him off *all* remedies for a while, and
using other measures -- nutrition, herbs, cell salts, hydrotherapy, physical
therapy, and/or whatever -- to build him up before you try further with
remedies? Maybe cell salts aimed at some of the more obvious physical sxs,
including maybe silica for the lungs??? I know this is a more superficial
and less deeply curative approach, but I wonder whether it might help him to
build up some more reserve, and perhaps even clarify the symptom picture?
In my limited but consistent past experience, when a potency loses its grip
so quickly (e.g. 200 lasting only 36 hours and now that is fading) it has
always meant simply that the remedy is wrong. In a couple of my instances,
the *short-term* results were *quite* excellent, yet did not follow thru; if
the remedy can't maintain its grip, it means either "the pt is incurable"
(which I would never say, but would prefer to say) or, the remedy is not
sufficiently exact. The lower the patient's vitality (what I recall from
reading), the more exact the remedy fit must be. A very vital patient can
make do with a "sorta-kinda" match, but one that is very weak will need a
very tight fit. Which might be yet another reason to try building him up a
bit before continuing?
Shannon
on 8/26/03 8:23 AM, Maria Bohle at MBohle@juno.com wrote:
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Rosemary Hyde
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Re: Ramakristian's proceedure - questions
Hi, Maria.
I liked Shannon's suggestion, to try building him up before trying to "cure" him.
Actually, there's been something nagging at me about this case.... In your summary, I see that I'm wondering what is the maintaining cause, the thing that hasn't come uncovered yet to be considered for a remedy.
What allopathic drugs is he taking (especially ones he's been on a long time)? Sometimes these can cause side effects that the patient gives us as symptoms, and since the patient doesn't know that's where these symptoms are from, neither do we, and it skews the case so we're not finding the remedy.
Do you have a sense that the patient has been really above-board about his mental/ emotional situations? Do you have a sense of congruence about knowing an initial trigger in his life (probably after all this time working with him, it would be something from his childhood that hasn't yet come out but that has caused ongoing emotional reacctions to a more recent reminder of that unremembered incident.)
I'm just brainstorming here what might possibly be a major obstacle to cure for this patient, because it sounds as if that's what you're quite possibly dealing with.
FWIW...
These kinds of situations are really tough, and I can certainly empathize with your frustration.
Rosemary
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I liked Shannon's suggestion, to try building him up before trying to "cure" him.
Actually, there's been something nagging at me about this case.... In your summary, I see that I'm wondering what is the maintaining cause, the thing that hasn't come uncovered yet to be considered for a remedy.
What allopathic drugs is he taking (especially ones he's been on a long time)? Sometimes these can cause side effects that the patient gives us as symptoms, and since the patient doesn't know that's where these symptoms are from, neither do we, and it skews the case so we're not finding the remedy.
Do you have a sense that the patient has been really above-board about his mental/ emotional situations? Do you have a sense of congruence about knowing an initial trigger in his life (probably after all this time working with him, it would be something from his childhood that hasn't yet come out but that has caused ongoing emotional reacctions to a more recent reminder of that unremembered incident.)
I'm just brainstorming here what might possibly be a major obstacle to cure for this patient, because it sounds as if that's what you're quite possibly dealing with.
FWIW...
These kinds of situations are really tough, and I can certainly empathize with your frustration.
Rosemary
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