question about possible remedies

[Rosemary Hyde]

Has anyone any information on homeopathic provings or information about
either graviola, a South American evergreen shrub, or ellagic acid, which is
found in that shrub and is also found in some raspberries and other fruits?
Thanks. ) Rosemary
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[Dave Hartley]

ELLAGIC ACID: Ellagic Acid is a newly discovered extract derived from
various fruits such as red berries and pomegranates. Tests conducted at
the Hollings Cancer Institute at the Medical University of South
Carolina show that Ellagic Acid has "proven to be effective in
preventing cancer, inhibiting the growth of cancer cells." In addition,
Ellagic acid acts as a scavenger to bind cancer-causing chemicals,
making them inactive.

hmm.. so, would we expect a homeopathic proving of an extract that
inhibits cancer cells to de-inhibit ?
Likewise..

Graviola is a product from a tree in the Rain Forests of the Amazon.
Producers claim it is stronger at killing colon cancer cells than common
chemotherapeutic drugs and that it hunts down and destroys prostate,
lung, breast, colon, and pancreatic cancers, while leaving healthy cells
alone. It is supposed to help one's immune system as well.
http://greenwoodhealth.net/np/graviola.htm
http://www.graviola.org

Both these seem to be gathering popular interest, including spawning MLM
products. I guess a potentized version might be of interest
isopathically, in the event that people were OD'ing &/or getting "side
effects" from these products... but

--if we're looking at an herb .. or even moreso, perhaps at an extract..
that is used medicinally .. if we were to potentize & prove it (go
ahead, someone -would we not expect DIFFERENT reactions than those
which seem desireable when used in material dose?
warm regards,

Dave Hartley www.holistiq.com
San Francisco, CA (415)626-6390 cell(415)424-5644
www.localcomputermart.com/dave

[Rosemary Hyde]

Actually, Dave, you found my point of origin for the questions. My research
on graviola indicated that it has a long and varied use in folk medicine,
with a whole list of common ailments rather than cancer as its focus ---
much like other botanical medicines that have been proved homeopathically
and have been good remedies with a wide range of uses. I just thought I'd
ask if it, in particular, had received a proving anywhere. Likewise, ellagic
acid, though the rumors and indeed the scientific interest focused on
cancer -- it's a common substance in fruits -- it should have properties
similar to other acids, no?

I was curious...

) Rosemary

[Dave Hartley]

Hi Rosemary,

You said

me too, honestly curious about what one might theoretically expect in
terms of "likes cure like" and a homeopathic proving of one of these
extracts..

Seems to me that ultra low potencies might have some of the same
medicinal action, but what-the-heck is a "cancer-cure" homeopathic to?
Un-cancer?

It does seem like it might be especially interesting to see what a
proving of the whole plant might bring out - or maybe what a proving of
the different parts vs. their traditional medicinal uses might show..

You could find the fruit yourself (reputed to be quite a taste treat)
down at Whole Foods or somewhere like that - it's called Cherimoya & the
website says
-in Jamaica, Haiti and the West Indies, the fruit and/or fruit juice is
used for fevers, parasites, as a lactagogue, and diarrhea.

Maybe the traditional medical uses would give some likely
sphere-of-influence input for observing a homeopathic proving of the
fruit?

It's so nice & straightforward thinking of the homepathicity of a poison
or noxious mineral/chemical - a little different thinking of
homeopathicity vis-a-vis fruits & traditional herbal medicines; though
if we provisionally accept & follow thru on researching Hahnemann's
doctrine of "likes cure like" -then I guess we might look to see if the
traditional herbal "cures" are produced in the *dietary* "zone" vs. the
*medicinal* zone, in terms of dosages - where as I understand it the
dietary zone is not governed by the homeopathic principle.. but the
medicinal zone is.. by this rudimentary logic, we *ought* to see in a
proving .. some homeopaticity, some adherence to the "likes cure like"
maxim .. in the instances where the substance had traditional use in the
"medicinal" zone ... chasing the line of reasoning back to the
"dietary/nutritional zone" ..it looks like we might be liberated from
the expectation that we'd see something in a proving that'd be somewhat
opposite to the healthful application of the substance in "normal"
nutritional use.

Very fuzzy lines (hopefully not totally fuzzy thinking/expression
warm regards,

Dave Hartley www.holistiq.com
San Francisco, CA (415)626-6390 cell(415)424-5644
www.localcomputermart.com/dave

[Rosemary Hyde]

Hi, Dave.

This is an interesting issue, in general theoretical terms.

What I've noticed often, in studying homeopathic remedies whose sources are
plants widely used in herbal medicine (e.g., Taraxacum, to mention just
one), is that their proving symptoms (therefore their homeopathic uses)
mirror quite closely the symptoms they are used to treat in traditiona
herbal medicine. I'm sure the explanation is partially bound up in primary
and secondary effects. I suspect also that traditional herbalists have
discovered clinically the homeopathicity of certain herbs to specific
conditions. In any case, the uses of Graviola in many traditional cultures
as medicine (outlined on those sites we've both looked at) probably indicate
the conditions a resulting remedy may cure homeopathically. Since provings
never go so deep as to create cancer (thank God!), the homeopathicity of
different remedies to different cancers is primarily based on clinical
experience, but of course those remedies also have large totalities of other
conditions that they help.

Thanks for the information that cherimoya is the fruit of the graviola tree.
How fascinating!

Rosemary