Pls see http://www.heilkunst.com/
Heil = whole/sound/remedial
kunst = art
Heilkunst was founded by a German doctor, Dr. Samuel Hahnemann, over 200
years ago. Dissatisfied with the basis of the medicine of his day, which is
still the basis of allopathic medicine in our time, Dr. Hahnemann set out to
observe nature and to discover the natural laws that govern health and
disease. Heilkunst, or the art of making people healthy in all aspects, is
the name given by Dr. Hahnemann to the complete system of medicine and
health found in his writings, most notably the Organon der Heilkunst, his
central work. Homeopathy is only one part of this remarkable system.
Soroush
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Heilkunst
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Maria Bohle
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Re: Heilkunst
Hello George,
I want to say hello from the British Institute of Homeopathy,
I agree with Rosemary, stick to one of the 'correspondant schools' that
teach a traditional view of homeoapthy as Hahnemann teaches it in the
Organon of Medicine.
There are several excellent schools, so your niece can choose,
The British Institute of Homeopathy also offers a good traditional
education that will prepare her for further training if she wishes to
become a professional homeopath.
Our tutors are professional homeopaths, most are on line, she can study
at her own pace, and we have
an on line study group for class discussions, to ask questions (of course
she can always ask her tutor) and to meet other students. Cost is very
competitive and affordable.
If you would like an email or snail mail prospectus, please
contact me privately.
Warmly, Maria
Maria T. Bohle, DHM, DCN
Homeopath, herbalist, certified in Clinical Nutrition
Director, BIH in the USA
I want to say hello from the British Institute of Homeopathy,
I agree with Rosemary, stick to one of the 'correspondant schools' that
teach a traditional view of homeoapthy as Hahnemann teaches it in the
Organon of Medicine.
There are several excellent schools, so your niece can choose,
The British Institute of Homeopathy also offers a good traditional
education that will prepare her for further training if she wishes to
become a professional homeopath.
Our tutors are professional homeopaths, most are on line, she can study
at her own pace, and we have
an on line study group for class discussions, to ask questions (of course
she can always ask her tutor) and to meet other students. Cost is very
competitive and affordable.
If you would like an email or snail mail prospectus, please
contact me privately.
Warmly, Maria
Maria T. Bohle, DHM, DCN
Homeopath, herbalist, certified in Clinical Nutrition
Director, BIH in the USA
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Shannon Nelson
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Re: Heilkunst
Hi Soroush,
How would you explain the relationship between Heilkunst (as taught by the
mentioned group) and Sequential Therapy? (I probably should remember this
from past discussions, but don't.)
Thanks,
Shannon
on 5/20/03 2:54 AM, Finrod at finrod@webstar.co.uk wrote:
How would you explain the relationship between Heilkunst (as taught by the
mentioned group) and Sequential Therapy? (I probably should remember this
from past discussions, but don't.)
Thanks,
Shannon
on 5/20/03 2:54 AM, Finrod at finrod@webstar.co.uk wrote:
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Shannon Nelson
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Re: Heilkunst
Hi Soroush,
(Re-sending this with corrected date, sorry!)
How would you explain the relationship between Heilkunst (as taught by the
mentioned group) and Sequential Therapy? (I probably should remember this
from past discussions, but don't.)
Thanks,
Shannon
on 5/20/03 2:54 AM, Finrod at finrod@webstar.co.uk wrote:
(Re-sending this with corrected date, sorry!)
How would you explain the relationship between Heilkunst (as taught by the
mentioned group) and Sequential Therapy? (I probably should remember this
from past discussions, but don't.)
Thanks,
Shannon
on 5/20/03 2:54 AM, Finrod at finrod@webstar.co.uk wrote:
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Soroush Ebrahimi
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Re: Heilkunst
Dear Shannon
I have absolutely NO idea about the methods employed by the group - I was
just passing on their links!
Rgds
Soroush
Message: 5
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1904 00:59:04 -0500
From: Robert&Shannon Nelson
Subject: Re: Heilkunst
Hi Soroush,
How would you explain the relationship between Heilkunst (as taught by the
mentioned group) and Sequential Therapy? (I probably should remember this
from past discussions, but don't.)
Thanks,
Shannon
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I have absolutely NO idea about the methods employed by the group - I was
just passing on their links!
Rgds
Soroush
Message: 5
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1904 00:59:04 -0500
From: Robert&Shannon Nelson
Subject: Re: Heilkunst
Hi Soroush,
How would you explain the relationship between Heilkunst (as taught by the
mentioned group) and Sequential Therapy? (I probably should remember this
from past discussions, but don't.)
Thanks,
Shannon
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Soroush Ebrahimi
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Re: Heilkunst
Dear George
From the information that I have received from colleagues and some
correspondence with the school which has been forwarded to me, I think you
have made a VERY WISE decision.
I understand that the Heilkunst school prescribes mixtures of remedies
which have - so far as I know - never been proved in the combination
prescribed. For example a standard treatment for female emotional stress is
apparently "NSOL". I don't know who originated the idea but it is Nat-M.,
Staph., Op. and Lach. in one bottle.
[They forgot Sepia !!) ]
Aph 3 of Organon 6 clearly describes the TRUE practitioner of the art. One
of the qualities to be achieved is to know what is curative in the medicines
employed.
If a substance has not been proved, then how does the practitioner know
'what is curative' in that remedy.
You cannot judge a combination on the basis of its elements!
Also bits of info that I have received allegedly indicates that the
accreditation of this school is suspect in the way that there is allegedly a
conflict of interest involved in the process - in that the accreditors and
aaccreditees are one and the same but perhaps in different guises!
No doubt if I am wrong the managers of the school will post their evidence
to the contrary!
Regards
Soroush
Message: 1
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 17:20:37 +0000
From: "George Kaplan"
Subject: School of Homeopathy
Dear Colleagues,
Many thanks to those who replied to me publicly and privately on the subject
of the Heilkunst school of homeopathy. The replies were very illuminating! I
was struck by the polarities - great fervour and enthusiasm from students of
the school in question, contrasted with expressions of great dissatisfaction
and even alarm from others who have had experience of this system. The
impression comes across that this is a very experimental system of therapy,
and perhaps not terribly well tested or proven as yet.
On reflection, I think I will point my niece in some other direction,
perhaps the British Institute of Homeopathy or one of the other schools
mentioned. The last thing I want is that my niece is taught a way of
homeopathy that is less than effective, or possibly even harmful.
Thank you again.
George A. Kaplan
From the information that I have received from colleagues and some
correspondence with the school which has been forwarded to me, I think you
have made a VERY WISE decision.
I understand that the Heilkunst school prescribes mixtures of remedies
which have - so far as I know - never been proved in the combination
prescribed. For example a standard treatment for female emotional stress is
apparently "NSOL". I don't know who originated the idea but it is Nat-M.,
Staph., Op. and Lach. in one bottle.
[They forgot Sepia !!
) ]Aph 3 of Organon 6 clearly describes the TRUE practitioner of the art. One
of the qualities to be achieved is to know what is curative in the medicines
employed.
If a substance has not been proved, then how does the practitioner know
'what is curative' in that remedy.
You cannot judge a combination on the basis of its elements!
Also bits of info that I have received allegedly indicates that the
accreditation of this school is suspect in the way that there is allegedly a
conflict of interest involved in the process - in that the accreditors and
aaccreditees are one and the same but perhaps in different guises!
No doubt if I am wrong the managers of the school will post their evidence
to the contrary!
Regards
Soroush
Message: 1
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 17:20:37 +0000
From: "George Kaplan"
Subject: School of Homeopathy
Dear Colleagues,
Many thanks to those who replied to me publicly and privately on the subject
of the Heilkunst school of homeopathy. The replies were very illuminating! I
was struck by the polarities - great fervour and enthusiasm from students of
the school in question, contrasted with expressions of great dissatisfaction
and even alarm from others who have had experience of this system. The
impression comes across that this is a very experimental system of therapy,
and perhaps not terribly well tested or proven as yet.
On reflection, I think I will point my niece in some other direction,
perhaps the British Institute of Homeopathy or one of the other schools
mentioned. The last thing I want is that my niece is taught a way of
homeopathy that is less than effective, or possibly even harmful.
Thank you again.
George A. Kaplan
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George Kaplan
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Re: Heilkunst
Dear Soroush and Donna,
This information certainly is very disquieting... Thank you once again, you
have made my mind up even more! I have already mentioned the British
Institute to my niece, and no doubt she will be contacting them in due
course.
Soroush wrote:
One wonders what disreputable kind of school this is (allegedly...)!
Regards,
George
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This information certainly is very disquieting... Thank you once again, you
have made my mind up even more! I have already mentioned the British
Institute to my niece, and no doubt she will be contacting them in due
course.
Soroush wrote:
One wonders what disreputable kind of school this is (allegedly...)!
Regards,
George
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Re: Heilkunst
Why not mention two or three possibilities to her and let her choose. The
different schools have very different "personalities" -- ways of dealing
with students. Some are quite authoritarian and academic and others are
more friendly. This could make a difference to her perseverance and
success. I know I started with one that was very authoritarian and hated
it,then switched to Caduceus Institute and found it really compatible with
my learning style and values, and really loved it.
Rosemary
different schools have very different "personalities" -- ways of dealing
with students. Some are quite authoritarian and academic and others are
more friendly. This could make a difference to her perseverance and
success. I know I started with one that was very authoritarian and hated
it,then switched to Caduceus Institute and found it really compatible with
my learning style and values, and really loved it.
Rosemary
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Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD
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Re: Heilkunst
You know, all this talk about Heilkunst amounts to at least badmouthing, if
not slander.
I guess you have gone to their website, or did you? If you did and went
through their teaching program, you would realise that at least the first 2
years of courses do cover exactly the same things than any other homeopathic
course: history, philosophy, MM, repertorisation, etc,.... with the added
bonus that most if not all of the schools of thought in the homeopathic
arena are represented.
Only when you have gone through this basic knowledge are you introduced to
the specific way of treatment that the Heilkunst school promotes. You might
agree or disagree with their way of thinking, but at least they explain
clearly where they take their ideas from, what is their logic, why and how,
in a little bit more detail than most of the courses I have seem, where the
major explanation is "Hahnemann (or Vithoulkas, or Sankaran, or whoever is
in the top ten this week) said so, so this is the way it should be".
Their way of practice stems from an in depth reading and interpretation of
Hahnemann and all the Classical authors. As I said, not everybody agrees,
and within the school itself there is a lot of discussions, arguments and
research going on, it is not a static, frozen and immovable situation.
Moreover, practitioners share their experiences and the "techniques" are
reassessed in the light of those experiences. And so on..............
Also "bits of information" is no way to comment on a school that has student
and graduates all over the world, and clinical results to prove the
efficiency of what they are doing.
It might not be kosher for you, but that is only from your point of view.
And yes, I studied with them as well as with many other schools, I have my
own personal interpretation and way of practicing Heilkunst that diverges
from their mainstream, no I am not on their board or on the
payroll.............just pissed off at mudslinging.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind".
not slander.
I guess you have gone to their website, or did you? If you did and went
through their teaching program, you would realise that at least the first 2
years of courses do cover exactly the same things than any other homeopathic
course: history, philosophy, MM, repertorisation, etc,.... with the added
bonus that most if not all of the schools of thought in the homeopathic
arena are represented.
Only when you have gone through this basic knowledge are you introduced to
the specific way of treatment that the Heilkunst school promotes. You might
agree or disagree with their way of thinking, but at least they explain
clearly where they take their ideas from, what is their logic, why and how,
in a little bit more detail than most of the courses I have seem, where the
major explanation is "Hahnemann (or Vithoulkas, or Sankaran, or whoever is
in the top ten this week) said so, so this is the way it should be".
Their way of practice stems from an in depth reading and interpretation of
Hahnemann and all the Classical authors. As I said, not everybody agrees,
and within the school itself there is a lot of discussions, arguments and
research going on, it is not a static, frozen and immovable situation.
Moreover, practitioners share their experiences and the "techniques" are
reassessed in the light of those experiences. And so on..............
Also "bits of information" is no way to comment on a school that has student
and graduates all over the world, and clinical results to prove the
efficiency of what they are doing.
It might not be kosher for you, but that is only from your point of view.
And yes, I studied with them as well as with many other schools, I have my
own personal interpretation and way of practicing Heilkunst that diverges
from their mainstream, no I am not on their board or on the
payroll.............just pissed off at mudslinging.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind".
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Re: Heilkunst
Greetings
1- Those who know me, know that I do NOT bad mouth.
This can been shown with my record of exchanges on Minutus.
2- Re Slander
If this Heilkunst school is properly accredited and if its teachers have
Never Ever prescribed "NSOL", or if they have they can show me where Hn has
authorised such a prescription, then I will take everything back.
3- Reality
But what I absolutely hate is the blind leading the blind into absolute
darkness.
I may be a dreamer, but I regard Homoeopathy as the ONE hope mankind has of
achieving "the higher purposes for which it was created". Anyone messes with
that dream by adulterating homoeopathy and they will get the full force of
my wrath expressed in unmistakeable terms!
Rgds
Soroush
Message: 4
Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 12:23:34 +1200
From: "Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD."
Subject: RE: Heilkunst
You know, all this talk about Heilkunst amounts to at least badmouthing, if
not slander.
I guess you have gone to their website, or did you? If you did and went
through their teaching program, you would realise that at least the first 2
years of courses do cover exactly the same things than any other homeopathic
course: history, philosophy, MM, repertorisation, etc,.... with the added
bonus that most if not all of the schools of thought in the homeopathic
arena are represented.
Only when you have gone through this basic knowledge are you introduced to
the specific way of treatment that the Heilkunst school promotes. You might
agree or disagree with their way of thinking, but at least they explain
clearly where they take their ideas from, what is their logic, why and how,
in a little bit more detail than most of the courses I have seem, where the
major explanation is "Hahnemann (or Vithoulkas, or Sankaran, or whoever is
in the top ten this week) said so, so this is the way it should be".
Their way of practice stems from an in depth reading and interpretation of
Hahnemann and all the Classical authors. As I said, not everybody agrees,
and within the school itself there is a lot of discussions, arguments and
research going on, it is not a static, frozen and immovable situation.
Moreover, practitioners share their experiences and the "techniques" are
reassessed in the light of those experiences. And so on..............
Also "bits of information" is no way to comment on a school that has student
and graduates all over the world, and clinical results to prove the
efficiency of what they are doing.
It might not be kosher for you, but that is only from your point of view.
And yes, I studied with them as well as with many other schools, I have my
own personal interpretation and way of practicing Heilkunst that diverges
from their mainstream, no I am not on their board or on the
payroll.............just pissed off at mudslinging.
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1- Those who know me, know that I do NOT bad mouth.
This can been shown with my record of exchanges on Minutus.
2- Re Slander
If this Heilkunst school is properly accredited and if its teachers have
Never Ever prescribed "NSOL", or if they have they can show me where Hn has
authorised such a prescription, then I will take everything back.
3- Reality
But what I absolutely hate is the blind leading the blind into absolute
darkness.
I may be a dreamer, but I regard Homoeopathy as the ONE hope mankind has of
achieving "the higher purposes for which it was created". Anyone messes with
that dream by adulterating homoeopathy and they will get the full force of
my wrath expressed in unmistakeable terms!
Rgds
Soroush
Message: 4
Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 12:23:34 +1200
From: "Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD."
Subject: RE: Heilkunst
You know, all this talk about Heilkunst amounts to at least badmouthing, if
not slander.
I guess you have gone to their website, or did you? If you did and went
through their teaching program, you would realise that at least the first 2
years of courses do cover exactly the same things than any other homeopathic
course: history, philosophy, MM, repertorisation, etc,.... with the added
bonus that most if not all of the schools of thought in the homeopathic
arena are represented.
Only when you have gone through this basic knowledge are you introduced to
the specific way of treatment that the Heilkunst school promotes. You might
agree or disagree with their way of thinking, but at least they explain
clearly where they take their ideas from, what is their logic, why and how,
in a little bit more detail than most of the courses I have seem, where the
major explanation is "Hahnemann (or Vithoulkas, or Sankaran, or whoever is
in the top ten this week) said so, so this is the way it should be".
Their way of practice stems from an in depth reading and interpretation of
Hahnemann and all the Classical authors. As I said, not everybody agrees,
and within the school itself there is a lot of discussions, arguments and
research going on, it is not a static, frozen and immovable situation.
Moreover, practitioners share their experiences and the "techniques" are
reassessed in the light of those experiences. And so on..............
Also "bits of information" is no way to comment on a school that has student
and graduates all over the world, and clinical results to prove the
efficiency of what they are doing.
It might not be kosher for you, but that is only from your point of view.
And yes, I studied with them as well as with many other schools, I have my
own personal interpretation and way of practicing Heilkunst that diverges
from their mainstream, no I am not on their board or on the
payroll.............just pissed off at mudslinging.
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