Organon Paragraph 42

[jpgregorich@aol.com]

Does anyone have any actual examples of two or more natural dissimilar
diseases coexisting in the same body at the same time. Is he alluding to
chronic disesases or also to acutes or even miasms in this paragraph?

42
Nature herself permits, as has been stated, in some cases, the simultaneous
occurrence of two (indeed, of three) natural diseases in one and the same
body. This complication, however, it must be remarked, happens only in the
case of two dissimilar diseases, which according to the eternal laws of
nature do not remove, do not annihilate and cannot cure one another, but, as
it seems, both (or all three) remain, as it were, separate in the organism,
and each takes possession of the parts and systems peculiarly appropriate to
it, which, on account of the want of resemblance of these maladies to each
other, can very well happen without disparagement to the unity of life.

Thanks for any comments

[Tanya Marquette]

i had one case that i thought might be two entirely different dis-eases.
it was a pre-pubescent male with ADD. his sx appeared pretty typical.
as i recall there was a hx of birth problems w/scanty memory of vaccine/
antibiotic type medication at birth. i think he had breathing difficulty when
born. i suspected too early vaccine from some of the behavior his mother
described.

the other theme had to do with the family dynamics, his father in particular.
there was a lot dysfunctionality in the family around the father and the mother
who was very loving until she wasnt! the son acted out a lot of anger and
had abandonment issues which were expressed as feeling his father
didnt care about him. he ws very effeminate and very female centered and
the father's homeophobia was outrageous. the mother was not much better
except that she didnt villify or abandon her son

i had a very bad time with this case, in part because the mother's committment
was very flaky. she didnt call me in a timely fashion. nor did she make or keep
appointments. also, she was just too busy to be bothered observing her son.
it was difficult to get clear definitions of what was happening other than everyone
was frustrated and angry. the son acted out in school with behavior that ws
seen as sexually threatening to some of the teachers. their homeophobia and
racism were major problems and the son reacted with little impulse control. basically,
he was a very affectionate young person who just happened to be black in a white
community; who happened to be effeminate in a homophobic environment; who
happened to be very tall and appeared older than he was; etc , etc.

phos 1M gave him brief relief from the ADD distractedness. the mother made other
choices after that.

tanya

[Sara Klein Ridgley PhD]

Someone I know had measles and scarlet fever at the same time. Some
people have hepatitis and the flu at the same time. And more.
Hahnemann means two NATURAL diseases, acute or otherwise, overlapping -
psora and scarlet fever, or psora and syphilis and scarlet fever.

Sara
jpgregorich@aol.com wrote:

[Joy Lucas]

This is what is called compound disease - where two or even three chronic
dissimilar and natural disease (or artificial diseases) are involved in the
one person. The single miasms may present in one of three ways - as a single
miasms; as two or three miasms, co-existing but separate, i.e. only one is
active at a time. Bad prescribing may create this situation - two or three
miasms may form a complex disease which has often been complicated by the
imposition of drug disease (you could call this the medical miasm). This is
actually quite rare and the correct remedy will disassociate them and then
progressive treatment can begin. Great care is required in order that you
prescribe only for the most active one as any mistake may cause them to
recombine and the case may become incurable.

I think you are far more likely to encounter 2 (or more) diseases where
there are artificial diseases present. I have many of these over the years.

Regards, Joy
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[Tanya Marquette]

Joy,

would you speak more to this issue. despite my post describing a case i struggled with in the past,
i still do not feel confident in my understanding. a couple of case examples might help.

tanya
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 3:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Organon Paragraph 42
This is what is called compound disease - where two or even three chronic
dissimilar and natural disease (or artificial diseases) are involved in the
one person. The single miasms may present in one of three ways - as a single
miasms; as two or three miasms, co-existing but separate, i.e. only one is
active at a time. Bad prescribing may create this situation - two or three
miasms may form a complex disease which has often been complicated by the
imposition of drug disease (you could call this the medical miasm). This is
actually quite rare and the correct remedy will disassociate them and then
progressive treatment can begin. Great care is required in order that you
prescribe only for the most active one as any mistake may cause them to
recombine and the case may become incurable.

I think you are far more likely to encounter 2 (or more) diseases where
there are artificial diseases present. I have many of these over the years.

Regards, Joy
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[Joy Lucas]

Dear Tanya, don't really have time to write up cases but I could reiterate
and expand on what I wrote.

Artificial disease = these are often precipitated by long use of crude and
dangerous allopathic drugs. This weakens the vitality to such an extent that
a permanent area of damage may occur - this can be sensory, functional or
even organ destruction. A weak vitality will makes this situation even
worse. These can be difficult case to treat and are, unfortunately, on the
increase. They are often untreatable, i.e. incurable.

Natural (miasmatic) disease = inherited or acquired, they arise from a
permanent degenerative change in the harmonising rhythms of the vital body,
producing a huge range of sensory, functional and organic changes -
emotionally, mentally and physically. (I don't need to say more on this).

Where more than one disease exists it is important to ascertain whether they
are natural or artificial - (although in stanza 42 Hahnemann only refers to
natural diseases). A decision also has to be made as to which to treat
first. Needless to say any condition which is life threatening has to be
attended to first.

Incidences where more than one disease might occur:-

A pseudo-chronic disease (which can resemble a natural disease) is attached
to another chronic condition. The pseudo-chronic disease is easily avoidable
or eliminated, simply by changing lifestyle - we often call this maintaining
causes but nonetheless can be so severe as to confuse a case and give undue
importance to symptoms - therefore we end up prescribing on an almost false
symptom picture - but the pseudo-chronic disease remains a separate entity
and co-exists alongside the natural disease.

A lingering acute condition fuses with, or becomes, a true chronic state but
we continue to choose to treat only as an acute. In a way this is just down
to bad timing because if the case had been left it would evolve into a true
chronic state, maybe a never been well since, for example. But in practise
it doesn't always work like this. If the client arrives at that difficult
time of fusion then, in theory, you do have more than one diseased state.
Sometimes best to ask the client to return at a later date if necessary (it
really depends on each individual case).

A compound disease state - when more than one miasm is presenting symptoms.
The miasms co-exist but are separate, only one is active at any given time
but there might be strong hints from the less active. There can be so many
examples of this:-

A strong family history of Tuberculosis but the client doesn't have this
disease but has repeated lung conditions and many indications of the
tubercular miasm which confuses the case considerably. We might call this a
layered case and great case has to be taken that the top layer is treated
first - jumping layers not only muddle the case but can awaken a more
dormant miasm which can be dangerous. The symptoms of a chronic miasm when
they are latent can be very similar. Often the client will complain only of
malaise, or indefinable ill feeling. In such cases the appropriate remedy
will often stir things up to produce prescribable symptoms.

Cancer - that also has a rich emotional and mental picture but somehow
cannot be combined with the cancer symptom picture to form a reliable
totality - the question is, which to treat first. I think this brings in
Ramakrishnan's approach. He separates out the cancer picture and only treats
that first, at a later stage when the cancer has been dealt with in an
encouraging manner, then he moves in to the other underlying chronic states.

Also it might be a case of what appears to be equally dominant miasms at
work - e.g. someone presents with Epilepsy and really bad Eczema which has
not been induced by any drugs etc, i.e. it is a natural disease. The case
has to be taken and ascertained as to whether the two diseases can be
covered by one remedy or whether the decision has to be made which to treat
first. The most life threatening has to be treated with first in these
circumstances. We have had this discussion previously on Minutus - two
dissimilar diseases DOES NOT ALWAYS MEAN 2 SIMILLIMUMS - they can be
encompassed in one totality.

Then there are completely messed up cases, messed up by Homeopathy that is!
Well, it happens, we've all got cases that we've messed up. Depending on the
sensitivity of the client there will either be a case that can be recovered
or a hopeless incurable case. The diseased states that co-exist is the
original (if it is still in evidence and not totally suppressed and
therefore can be recovered and treated) and then those that have been
imposed on the original disease by bad prescribing. This more or less comes
under complex diseases. There is still more than one natural disease present
but it has been unnecessarily complicated by bad prescribing.

Then there are diseases which have more than one phase to them, i.e. present
periodically but are nonetheless in evidence all the time - in this sense
they can appear as 2 dissimilar diseases - such as Hay Fever. The
periodical flare up of such a condition isn't an acute state, but an
expression of a chronic state that metamorphises. If we only treat the flare
up we will never cure the tendency or susceptibility.

I hope this helps and I am sorry I couldn't give more time to this at the
moment. Perhaps you would like to discuss the case you mentioned more fully.

Best wishes, Joy.