Digest Number 879

[elham mohajir]

Dear Shanon,
I definitely agree with you, it would be atrocious to give Bar-carb to a
calc-carb patient just because we only know of five medicines that have
cured undescended testis. I am also sure any indicated medicine would work
as well. But there are other issues involved. For example in this case the
patient is a dog. It may be difficult to get the constitutional symptoms.
As a rule in Homoeopathy we try to prescribe for the patient. But sometimes
the best we can do is prescribe for the disease. Let me give you an
example, suppose I have a phos. patient who has got sciatica. Now suppose
due to any reasons I can not get the picture of phos but the symptoms of
sciatica
are very like Ammonium Mur symptoms. If I give Ammonium Mur I would not have
cured the patient but his disease will be cured. Had I given Phos. he would
not only have been cured of the sciatica but it would have prevented the
ulcer that he might get after six months. That is why we have the books on
therapeutics they are not the best way of prescribing but at times that is
all we can do.

best regards
Elham
Message: 8
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 14:03:09 -0600
From: Robert&Shannon Nelson
Subject: Re: undescended testis

Hi Elham,

I assume that these would be for undescended testicle in a case which
otherwise fits one of these remedy picture? But with only 3 rxs to choose
from, I'd guess there will be cases that don't fit any of those especially
well. In that case, would one go for the "best fit", or would one prescribe
on "the rest of the case"?

Curious,
Shannon

[Phosphor]

the constitutional symptoms.
you don't say?

sometimes the best we can do is prescribe for the >disease.
tell me where in the Organon this is stated.

sciatica. Now suppose due to any reasons I can >not get the picture of phos
but the symptoms of sciatica
if you can't get the picture of Phos how then can you describe the patient
as being Phos?

will be cured.
what else did the patient have to be cured of, apart from his disease?

would have prevented the ulcer that he might get >after six months.
how do you know this?

andrew

[Tanya Marquette]

this conversation comes up over and over again on this list, and elsewhere.
it is the what are we trying to treat question.

I was seriously taught that if the right simillimum were found that it would
heal all dis-eased states arising.this thinking is at heart of so much of this dialogue.

however, we we also taught to treat what presents in front of us and not to
interpret what may show up later. this is sort of a 'layered' interpretation of
a case. It is the peeling-an-onion model. but eventually you would get to
the correct simillimum.

then we have thinking that says we developed different dis-eased states in
response to changing circumstances and this implies there is no central
simillimum. but maybe there is a constitutional state.

and then we have what is most like the allopathic view: treat the sx of the
disease and get rid of them.

and everytime someone tries to write from a philosophical point of view,
another answers contrarily with the same intellectualism. so we are either
Hn purists (a rigid concepte), or we fly off in all directions, claiming to be
righteous in our liberal interpretations. I begin to wonder whether we are
really listening to each other when we repeat the same arguments over and
over.

tanya

[George Kaplan]

I would like to second what Robyn has said here. This notion of the
"constitutional" has been blown up out of all proportion. Elham's example
suggests that this one constitutional remedy is going to be the miracle pill
for every ailment that is ever likely to afflict the patient. If only it
were this simple, and people could be permanently cured of everything just
by identifying their constititional type. Andrew is also right in saying
that this emphasis on constitition is not found in the Organon. Hahnemann
did not prescribe constititionally. No wonder so many people do not
subscribe to homeopathy, if homeopaths are so widely prescribing their
perceived constitutional as a cure-all miracle remedy. Yes, of course, if
the ideal situation presents itself and the indicated remedy for the current
disease happens to coincide with aspects of the patient's personality,
lifestyle, and so on / or if the person's "constitutional" also happens to
be the correct organ-specific - then we are going down the correct path.
Otherwise, it is very possible that we can lose the thread completely.

Elham should realise that we are not attacking him personally. Perhaps this
is simply what you have been taught. However, in clinical practice you will
soon find that such over-simplified approaches will fail to work.

George A. Kaplan

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