LM potencies and succussion

[becklesfield]

Hi all

Is it absolutely essential that when re-dosing from a medicinal
solution, that this solution be succussed every time?

If it has not been succussed since the original time (in this case
4oz water, succussed 5 times) and the administration has been
repeated, ie; original time 15 drops of LM3 liquid in 4oz water,
succussed 5 times 1 tsp in dilution glass, 1 tsp taken from that.

Second time 1 tsp put in 8oz water dilution glass and 1 tsp given BUT
NO SUCCUSSION WAS DONE - would this mean that it would have had
little effect? Or eventually would have little effect?

I was not told to succuss each time by my practitioner, who is
unfortunately out of contact at the moment, however it could be that
it was a miscommunication, as I have been reading through David
Little's site on the medicinal solution etc, and by doing so have
realised that it seems succussing should take place each time.

Would not succussing each time have any sort of impact? Equally, I
was told to dissolve the pellet (or liquid in one case) in 4oz water
only, no alcohol. Would this have an impact too?

Thanks
Becky

[Shannon Nelson]

Hi Becky,

The biggest purpose of succussion between doses is to make slight change to
the potency, to lessen chance of overreaction to the repeated doses. But I
wouldn't expect a problem from re-dosing without succussion, especially in
the short-run. When I first started using liquid doses, it was with Cs (and
I only did this with acutes), and I didn't know anything about LMs or about
any need to succuss between doses, but it worked just fine, never had any
problems.

Also, re using water or water/alcohol, only water is used in the dosing
glass. The only reason for alcohol in the stock bottle is to prevent growth
of bacteria etc. in a bottle that will be stored for some time.

I'm a little confused about:

You wrote:
??? 1 tsp of what? Normally you begin with the stock bottle, which in your
case was apparently a dropper bottle, and you begin with the same number of
drops, in your case apparently 15. Each dose would begin with these steps,
and then 1 tsp taken from that to put into the second dilution glass, from
which your dose is taken. So no alcohol is needed, except for that which is
already in the stock bottle that your drops are coming from.

So the bottle that you succuss is the (in your case) dropper bottle, and
with the two glasses, all you need to do is stir.

Make sense? Or did I misunderstand...

Shannon
put in 8oz water dilution glass and 1 tsp given BUT

[Dave Hartley]

Hi Becky,

Succussion is one of the means of adjusting the dose (posology) in the medicinal solution, also:

Hahnemann wrote very specific instructions, which include the thought that (paraphrased) a client should not be given the exact same dynamic of a potency.. so, it seems that at least one succussion would be required to "slightly alter" the remedy's dynamization, in order to take full advantage of Hahnemann's "advanced method" of liquid posology; to "speed the cure" & simultaneously avoid aggravations.

Alcohol may be used or not- as a preservative, where necessary. Hahnemann also wrote of alternative use of charcoal as preservative.
In cool climate (or by use of refrigeration) often no preservative is necessary.. if the liquid becomes cloudy, it should be discarded, as this would indicate growth of some sort of mold or something.

best regards,

Dave Hartley
www.localcomputermart.com/dave
Santa Cruz, CA
831.464.8127

[becklesfield]

Hi Shannon



This is for my cat, and the third time I dosed him, using the same
delivery as the second (ie 1 tsp from a dilution glass of 8oz) it
didn't seem to have any impact and he has continued to be
aggressive. Previously he had responded extremely well to the first
two dosings (first was 1 tsp from dilution glass of 4oz water, second
was 1 tsp from dilution glass of 8oz water). I'm wondering if it
didn't have any impact because there was no change in the energy of
the remedy or the dilution of the remedy between the 2nd and 3rd
dosings. Does that make sense?


I haven't used any alcohol in my medicinal solution, I was told that
water would be okay. I should check it and make up a new one to be
on the safe side. It was originally made up at the end of November.

>

Sorry, my original email was a little confusing. What I was told was
to make up a medicinal solution of 15 drops of liquid LM3 into 4oz of
water only (as opposed to 1 pellet of LM3 as the pharmacy sent me
liquid instead of pellets). Succuss this 5 times, then take 1 tsp of
that solution and put it into a dilution glass holding 4oz of water,
stir then administer 1 tsp from the dilution glass to the patient
(ie, my cat).

From what I understand from David Little's site about adjusting the
dose, for a moderately sensitive case (my cat aggravated on a 1M
potency) I would success the medicinal solution between 1-4 times
before each new administration (via the dilution glass). And with
more hyposenstive cases (which I believe my other cat to be, she can
take 1M potency with no problems at all) I would succuss the MS
between 5-20 times before administering via dilution glass? I'm
sorry for all the questions but I'm trying to understand this,
especially as it's happening to me. You see, I'm wondering if that
is why my more hyposensitive cat hasn't really responded much to the
remedy given, because it wasn't succussed the second time and the
dose needs to be adjusted, either through more water in the dilution
glass or more succussions.

BTW, while we're on the subject of medicinal solutions and dilution
glasses, I spoke to my sister last night and discovered that her
instructions for using LM1 sulphur on my nephew was to dissolve one
pellet into 4oz water and give 1 tsp STRAIGHT from the medicinal
solution! There was no further dilution, which must also be why he
reacted so strongly to that remedy. Equally my sister told me that
he is so sensitive that he has broken out in rashs from eating a
banana! And that any new fruit he hasn't had before also makes him
break out until his body gets used to it! Poor lad.

Thanks for all your help.
Becky

[becklesfield]

Hi David

Thanks for your reply.



This is what I'm beginning to understand, having read through David
Little's site the other evening. And the other one is more dilution
right? Do you have an explanation as to how more succussion is
different to more dilution? You seem to be experienced in using LM's
and I know that David Little in that section is trying to find ways
to explain the different impact of each type of adjustment. I'm
trying to decide whether my aggressive cat may require more
succussion or more dilution and I'm trying to get to grips with the
different action of each.



Yes, my cat was, due to no succussion and exactly the same dilution
amount.



When you say one succussion, you mean ONE bang against a firm
surface? I'm just making sure I understand exactly what you mean.



I see, I wasn't told to refridgerate this medicinal solution. I will
check it and make up a new one if it is cloudy. I was originally
made at the end of November.

Thanks for your help.
Becky