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Rochelle
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Re: Single remedy

Post by Rochelle »

Hi George,
I certainly don't knock the healing effect between patient and practitioner.
:-) :-)

Rochelle


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George Kaplan
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Re: Single remedy

Post by George Kaplan »

Dear Shannon,
I gave the placebo to the person because I felt after the consultation that
they expected to go away with something in their hand. I am sure you have
come across that type yourself! I had every intention of sending them more
remedies in due course. However, before I was able to do so (this was not an
urgent case), they contacted me saying that they felt wonderfully better and
cured. I do not know whether the "cure" has held, as the person has not
contacted me since.

There can be many reasons why a person will suddenly "get better". Sometimes
they "get better" the morning of the consultation, and their miraculous
recovery is an avoidance mechanism. There are also times when they "get
better" when they discover what the fee will be for the treatment, or that
they might have to return for more consultations. Another thing I find tends
to "cure" some people is when they discover that homeopathy is not a magic
pill, and that the patient must be responsible for their own wellbeing.
Given all these idiosyncracies of the human mind, it is not always a
cast-iron proof when a new, untested remedy appears to work. As someone
rightly said on this group, time and cases will tell.

George A. Kaplan
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George Kaplan
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Re: Single remedy

Post by George Kaplan »

Dear Joy,
I don't! The point I was making was that results obtained from a dolphin
remedy (or any such remedy resulting from dubious methodology) could be a
placebo effect. I am not trying to say that a placebo is necessarily better.
In fact, I am quite sure that for many modern homeopaths and those patients
that are that way inclined, remedies like "Hadrians Wall", "Berlin Wall",
"Dolphin", and so on, will act very well as placebos. As long as they are
not terribly unwell, these might just help them along fine, at least for a
while.

However, just don't tell me that is medicine. This is not the way homeopathy
was supposed to be.

Another thing that concerns me about some of the newer approaches to proving
remedies is that many schools are allowing their students to carry out
provings whilst on conventional medication. Meanwhile, others are carrying
out provings while under the influence of high-potency homeopathic
treatment, e.g. sequential treatment. All this is bound to seriously affect
the reliability of the results obtained.

Nor can I understand the apparent obsession with churning out such a
constant flow of new remedies, when we already have an enormous range of
older ones at our fingertips. It will not be long, if this trend continues,
before the valuable medicine-chest of scientific homeopathy is swamped by a
welter of dubious "young pretenders". This is what happens when a science
falls into unscientific hands. I have enormous respect for the majority of
my Fellows in this profession, and the Minutus list represents probably the
most intelligent and rational homeopathic discussion group I have seen.
However, I am greatly disturbed by many of the trends in homeopathy these
days.

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Rochelle
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Re: Single remedy

Post by Rochelle »

Dear George,

Time has moved on and the pressures and stresses in Hahnemann's time are not
the same as those of today. The newly proved remedies are some of the
remedies we need today, not withstanding that the old standbys may also be
needed. It really is a case as everyone has said of knowing your MM.

You keep mentioning Dolphin. (Lac Delf.)What is it that you have against
this Rx which was proved in a conventional manner?

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George Kaplan
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Re: Single remedy

Post by George Kaplan »

Dear Rochelle,
I know of these provings. I remain very sceptical about the entire "dolphin"
archetype that exists today. Dolphins are wonderful creatures, and I have
nothing against them! However, what this unfortunate beast has come to
represent in the collective unconscious of the new age is really a
distorted, anthropomorphic, Walt Disney-type caricature. This is what I was
referring to as the "dolphin factor". I would say the same about many other
modern animal remedies, e.g. horse milk and gray wolf milk. The impression
that comes from the provings tends to be obviously the subjective impression
of people artificially drawn (on a cultural basis) to the animal in question
and working on its perceived archetypal qualities. For instance, with Lac
Equinum we have "the suffering of the noble, enslaved creature" -
anthropomorphic to the highest degree. When well cared for, horses are
perfectly happy animals. This stuff is all very nice and touchy-feely, but
it does not convince me.

Re "new remedies for new times", would you really call Arsenicum Album an
"old standby"? The Homeopathic MM is universal and timeless. I notice that
Dr Ramakrishnan, who treats people in the here and now for some of the worst
scourges of today, appears to manage perfectly well on the old standbys.

George A. Kaplan

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Nancy Siciliana
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Re: Single remedy

Post by Nancy Siciliana »

George wrote:

about the proper Schussler tissue salts in potencies of generally no higher
than 6x), is that they are not homeopathic remedies, but mineral
supplements. They do not work at the dynamic level, but at a gentle material
level. They cannot cause a proving or aggravation under any circumstances,
and this is why they can be used indefinitely.

1. You can indeed cause a proving or an aggravation with tissue salts, especially in extremely sensitive individuals, like the very young or the very old. I know it can happen, it has happened to a couple of my patients, and I'm not so quick to assume these aggravations and provings can't take place as a result. Tissue salts are more like mineral supplements than homeopathic remedies, but they are still powerful drugs which can have an indirect, if not direct, effect on the dynamic level as well as the material level of the body.

2. Dolphin has undergone a proving, using the scientific protocol. It would be interesting to compare the dream proving with the actual one--I bet we'll see a number of similarities.

I'm of the mind that no matter how little information we have about a remedy, if it fits a case, it ought to be used.

Regards,
Nancy

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Paul Booyse
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Re: Single remedy

Post by Paul Booyse »

> Wow, "the power of positive thinking"!

depends on the potency :-)


EarthLink User
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Re: Single remedy

Post by EarthLink User »

Excuse me, but could someone please explain why we have similar bouts of
name calling and nasty comments every 45-60 days or so??? Are not all the
participants on this list attempting to assist people in finding better
health-or however you wish to express what you do. This list declines to the
unenviable level of Kindergarten kids in the play ground with no adult
present!!What hurts homeopathy is non homeopaths and people who are just
curious reading all the name calling and sarcastic comments-thoughts of us
as a profession just go out the window reading all of this.I participated in
a lunch time conversation at the last NCH conference on what we as
homeopaths could do for our Profession when the name calling starts and have
sadly come to the conclusion that all I can do is not to fight with the
little kids who resort to name calling etc and to definately not send them
any referrals, since the best homeopaths are adults.
Blessings,
Sue Boyle

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Shannon Nelson
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Re: Single remedy

Post by Shannon Nelson »

Can we let this thread die, please?
Unless folks would like to discuss the topic ("responding appropriately to
inappropriate posts") *in the abstract*, without blame or finger-pointing,
please?
Shannon
\on 1/6/03 4:50 PM, EarthLink User at saboyle@earthlink.net wrote:


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