Hi Dave,
You wrote:-
polychrest, and 50 others.>
Well what I posted was "the case" I received and the follow up. If you could
think of any questions to ask this non forthcoming man I would appreciate
it. The diagnosis of psoriasis of the body and a fungal infection on the
forehead was made by his allopathic Doctor. He has even seen a skin
consultant. The "fungus" Dx was made without any scrapes being taken as it
looks like a dry eczema like rash to me but I am not an MD.
I posted the case because I am stuck and hoped that someone very experienced
like yourself could come up with a knowledgeable suggestion of a practical
solution of how I could find the constitutional remedy. I am not used to
patients returning to me when nothing really has happened one way or
another.
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Rochelle
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A case where nothing has happened!!
Re: A case where nothing has happened!!
Dear Russell and Gaby,
Thank you for your suggestions that I look at Zinc and Cocc. Interestingly
Robyn has suggested that he increases his Zinc intake as apparently people
with psoriasis have been shown to have depleted zinc in their bodies.
However looking at it in potency I would expect to see some sort of
restlessness when he sat with me but all there appears to be is a resigned
patience!! Looking at Cocc would I not have to see some form of vertigo
and/or motion sickness in the Rx. However I haven't asked and he is not
forthcoming so it will be on my list of questions for next time!!
Thanks for your suggestions
Rochelle
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Thank you for your suggestions that I look at Zinc and Cocc. Interestingly
Robyn has suggested that he increases his Zinc intake as apparently people
with psoriasis have been shown to have depleted zinc in their bodies.
However looking at it in potency I would expect to see some sort of
restlessness when he sat with me but all there appears to be is a resigned
patience!! Looking at Cocc would I not have to see some form of vertigo
and/or motion sickness in the Rx. However I haven't asked and he is not
forthcoming so it will be on my list of questions for next time!!
Thanks for your suggestions
Rochelle
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Re: A case where nothing has happened!!
Hi Rochelle, re your query regarding cocculus needing to have some vertigo
or motion sickness to be considered for the similimum ------- please have a
look at the proving info for Cocc.
If for instance, you look at Allens Encyclopedia of Pure mat Med. under Cocc
indicus- HEAD, you will find that only provers a1, a4, a5, and a15 suffered
from vertigo during provings. This result is out of 19 provers for that
remedy. That is a ratio of 4:19 who experienced vertigo. Logic would lead
us to the conclusion that cocculus, as a drug will not produce vertigo in
all persons, therefore it follows that this drug, if it cannot produce
vertigo in some provers, means that there will be some people who will
produce symptoms of cocculus, without vertigo.
Remember, a drug cannot cure what it cannot produce! That is, in some
people, the symptom of vertigo will never be produced by the administration
of cocculus indica, and therefore it will not be part of the possible
symptoms this group of provers can produce --> and therefore, the group of
people these provers represent in the world, will also not be able to
produce this symptom, therefore it is not relevant to them either! .
However, other symptoms of Cocculus may be able to be produced in this
non-vertigo Cocculus group, and this will be their constitutional reaction
and will lead to the drug disease of cocculus as a similimum and a cure
without the need for vertigo to be present.
I hope this is not too repetitive and longwinded
Regards
Robyn
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which in turn becomes the ignorance of tomorrow
Looking at Cocc would I not have to see some form of vertigo
or motion sickness to be considered for the similimum ------- please have a
look at the proving info for Cocc.
If for instance, you look at Allens Encyclopedia of Pure mat Med. under Cocc
indicus- HEAD, you will find that only provers a1, a4, a5, and a15 suffered
from vertigo during provings. This result is out of 19 provers for that
remedy. That is a ratio of 4:19 who experienced vertigo. Logic would lead
us to the conclusion that cocculus, as a drug will not produce vertigo in
all persons, therefore it follows that this drug, if it cannot produce
vertigo in some provers, means that there will be some people who will
produce symptoms of cocculus, without vertigo.
Remember, a drug cannot cure what it cannot produce! That is, in some
people, the symptom of vertigo will never be produced by the administration
of cocculus indica, and therefore it will not be part of the possible
symptoms this group of provers can produce --> and therefore, the group of
people these provers represent in the world, will also not be able to
produce this symptom, therefore it is not relevant to them either! .
However, other symptoms of Cocculus may be able to be produced in this
non-vertigo Cocculus group, and this will be their constitutional reaction
and will lead to the drug disease of cocculus as a similimum and a cure
without the need for vertigo to be present.
I hope this is not too repetitive and longwinded
Regards
Robyn
The ignorance of yesterday is the knowledge of today
which in turn becomes the ignorance of tomorrow
Looking at Cocc would I not have to see some form of vertigo
Re: A case where nothing has happened!!
Point taken and understood Robyn - Thanks!! I shall question him on all Rx
that people think maybe suitable when I see him next presuming that what I
have given him in a higher potency has not changed anything either!!
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that people think maybe suitable when I see him next presuming that what I
have given him in a higher potency has not changed anything either!!
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Re: A case where nothing has happened!!
Dave, what is your thinking when confronted with a case that is not lending
itself with clarity toward a similia? With whatever remedy is selected,
would your thinking be to employ lower potencies, as in 1 to 12X?
itself with clarity toward a similia? With whatever remedy is selected,
would your thinking be to employ lower potencies, as in 1 to 12X?
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Re: A case where nothing has happened!!
Dear Rochelle,
To answer your question, yes I would definitely consider giving Lyc to a
patient without digestive complaints, since those complaints have to be
considered as local symptoms ('peripheral pathology') as opposed to
non-pathognomonic symptoms like the general modalities, the mental state
etc....
This said, I don't want by no means defend Lyc as the ultimate for your
case. It was just a thought which could be of interest.
The case as it is for the moment is indeed (as you pointed out) much to
unclear to be able to take a decision with confidence.
So in this sense it's certainly an interesting case and I would love to get
a follow up now and then.
It also would be interesting to learn what remedy you have prescribed and
on the base of what symptoms.
When you meet the patient next time, to exclude Lyc, you might check whether
the patient:
* was precocious (Lyc is)
* can see blood (Lyc can't)
* has a general medical or health interest (Lyc hasn't)
* does he like to be engaged in discussions? (Lyc doesn't, because he so
convinced that he is right)
or does he try by all means to avoid arguments? (Lyc would)
This are all questions even a 'closed personallity) would not object to
answer them.
Of course, to be of value, the questions have to be posed in an open way,
this goes without saying.
Just some thoughts,
Jan
To answer your question, yes I would definitely consider giving Lyc to a
patient without digestive complaints, since those complaints have to be
considered as local symptoms ('peripheral pathology') as opposed to
non-pathognomonic symptoms like the general modalities, the mental state
etc....
This said, I don't want by no means defend Lyc as the ultimate for your
case. It was just a thought which could be of interest.
The case as it is for the moment is indeed (as you pointed out) much to
unclear to be able to take a decision with confidence.
So in this sense it's certainly an interesting case and I would love to get
a follow up now and then.
It also would be interesting to learn what remedy you have prescribed and
on the base of what symptoms.
When you meet the patient next time, to exclude Lyc, you might check whether
the patient:
* was precocious (Lyc is)
* can see blood (Lyc can't)
* has a general medical or health interest (Lyc hasn't)
* does he like to be engaged in discussions? (Lyc doesn't, because he so
convinced that he is right)
or does he try by all means to avoid arguments? (Lyc would)
This are all questions even a 'closed personallity) would not object to
answer them.
Of course, to be of value, the questions have to be posed in an open way,
this goes without saying.
Just some thoughts,
Jan
Re: A case where nothing has happened!!
Hi Jan,
What do you mean by this?
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Re: A case where nothing has happened!!
Rochelle,
Sory for the lack of clarity.
It's propably a 'translation' problem, from Dutch to English.
Wat is meant is:
'not be able to stand the sight of blood', like in documentary films about
surgery but also even when talking about surgery matters make the Lyc person
withdraw from a conversation. That's also related to his totaly lack of
interest in medical matters. Lyc very often doesn't know where his liver or
his stomach is situated in his body. In fact he doesn't want to know it
because it frighten him. C. Coulter gives a nice description of this
attitude.
Regards,
Jan
Sory for the lack of clarity.
It's propably a 'translation' problem, from Dutch to English.
Wat is meant is:
'not be able to stand the sight of blood', like in documentary films about
surgery but also even when talking about surgery matters make the Lyc person
withdraw from a conversation. That's also related to his totaly lack of
interest in medical matters. Lyc very often doesn't know where his liver or
his stomach is situated in his body. In fact he doesn't want to know it
because it frighten him. C. Coulter gives a nice description of this
attitude.
Regards,
Jan
Re: A case where nothing has happened!!
Dear Jan ,
I have to say that I don't know this side of Lycopodium. Is it purely from
Catherine Coulter?
Unassigned - Mentals
FEAR general blood, of (5)
3 ALUM, 1 nux-m, 1 phos, 1 plat, 1 sac-alb
Regards
Rochelle
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I have to say that I don't know this side of Lycopodium. Is it purely from
Catherine Coulter?
Unassigned - Mentals
FEAR general blood, of (5)
3 ALUM, 1 nux-m, 1 phos, 1 plat, 1 sac-alb
Regards
Rochelle
www.rochellemarsden.co.uk
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Re: A case where nothing has happened!!
Dear Rochelle,
Upon your question I've thumped again through Portraits of C. Coulter and I
must confess: I haven't found the passage cited?
I don't believe my eyes. I'm so convinced I've read it in those books, but I
can't find it anymore at least not under Lyc.
The only thing what could have happened is that it is under an other remedy.
I mean in the book, when C. Coulter pictures a remedy, she expands/refers
all the time to other remedies to help diversify the remedy involves to
other comparable remedies. Maybe it's there somewhere.
Maybe other folks from the list can help me out here?
Anyhow, I couldn't find it back so maybe I've been dreaming it and suffer a
severe delusion for which I need some treatment.
Anyhow, on thumping through Coulter's description of Lyc, this is what I
found, pointing to Lyc with regards to your case:
(which I have to translate from Dutch - because I have a Dutch translation
of those books, so bear with me if the English is not so correct):
* The Lyc man thinks mostly he is a good husband. Often he is really
surprised on learning that his wife isn't that happy with the relation after
all. Lyc thinks: "What's ailing her? I take care of house matters and I'm
reasonably and I take our relationship very serious. What does she want
more?"
* As a rule Lyc doesn't trusts doctors and their medicine (Hering). Disease
is (felt as) an insult to their self-respect and stands in the way of their
feeling of independence. He (Lyc) is the man which gives you a hard
time when asking a description of his symptoms. Except of one main (medical)
complaint, he has NO other symptoms. This type of person isn't aware
of any modality which ameliorate or aggravates his complaint(s).
* He eats everything. He doesn't know what he dislikes or like etc...
Jan
Upon your question I've thumped again through Portraits of C. Coulter and I
must confess: I haven't found the passage cited?
I don't believe my eyes. I'm so convinced I've read it in those books, but I
can't find it anymore at least not under Lyc.
The only thing what could have happened is that it is under an other remedy.
I mean in the book, when C. Coulter pictures a remedy, she expands/refers
all the time to other remedies to help diversify the remedy involves to
other comparable remedies. Maybe it's there somewhere.
Maybe other folks from the list can help me out here?
Anyhow, I couldn't find it back so maybe I've been dreaming it and suffer a
severe delusion for which I need some treatment.
Anyhow, on thumping through Coulter's description of Lyc, this is what I
found, pointing to Lyc with regards to your case:
(which I have to translate from Dutch - because I have a Dutch translation
of those books, so bear with me if the English is not so correct):
* The Lyc man thinks mostly he is a good husband. Often he is really
surprised on learning that his wife isn't that happy with the relation after
all. Lyc thinks: "What's ailing her? I take care of house matters and I'm
reasonably and I take our relationship very serious. What does she want
more?"
* As a rule Lyc doesn't trusts doctors and their medicine (Hering). Disease
is (felt as) an insult to their self-respect and stands in the way of their
feeling of independence. He (Lyc) is the man which gives you a hard
time when asking a description of his symptoms. Except of one main (medical)
complaint, he has NO other symptoms. This type of person isn't aware
of any modality which ameliorate or aggravates his complaint(s).
* He eats everything. He doesn't know what he dislikes or like etc...
Jan