EMF's

[Robyn]

Has there been any consensus on the affect of EMF's on homoeopathic
remedies?
How far away from they need to be and/or how much is too much?

Regards

Robyn
The ignorance of yeserday is the knowledge of today
which in turn becomes the ignorance of tomorrow

[Robyn]

I posted this on the 17th Nov and have not received one reply. Is there
no-one on any of these lists who has knowledge of the effects of EMF's on
remedies, and if so, is there anyone who may direct me where I may investige
this?

Regards
Robyn

The ignorance of yesterday is the knowledge of today
which in turn becomes the ignorance of tomorrow

[andyh]

Robyn wrote:
Dear Robyn,
Hope you are well.
I don't know of any studies on this. Probably a question for a hom. pharmacist. A few idea fragments:

Only (anecdotal) data I've seen on this is about EM spectrum is airport X-rays, and they don't seem to stop remedy action (although may affect them subtly). I've heard direct sunlight will quickly destroy a remedy, but that is an intense, complex signal probably more in resonance with the carbonaceous (alcohol) carrying the remedy.

If remedies exposed to x-rays were to be taken up to a higher potency, then the x-ray influence that occurred would presumably become part of the potentized remedy. Thus LM's or potencies that will be plussed, for example; exposed to x-rays might lead to a mild potency of x-ray being taken by each person using that remedy, since the recipient slowly increases the potency by succussing each dose.

The same could be said for typical electric utility current, which is a 60 cycles per second alternating current. This is more than just an electric and magnetic field, but a specific signal. LM's, or stock remedies exposed at very close proximity to AC current, that will be run up to higher potecies; will add whatever influences to what the remedy signal is.

So, remedies that will not be run up probably are not affected much, unlessthe remedy is sitting right in the field constantly. Then perhaps the magnetic component of the field may be the more significant influence. Strong magnets might be a more significant problem for remedies than emf from house current, but this is just a guess.

My sense is that the water is relatively stable with the signal engrafted by the original solute. And it is important to realize that the remedies are being made in a weak, but pervasive field of manmade emf (radio, TV, cell phone, all kinds of communications RF). So our remedies contain all that potentized. Dunham's potencies of 1850, for example, did not, and still do not, unless taken to a higher potency.

The emf that is potentized into the remedy probably qualifies as "noise" compared to the signal of the original solute that was actually in solution with the water/alcohol solvent. Maybe some attenuation of the original signal occurs, but it probably does not alter it so much that it will not resonate with the similar pattern of the person.
A related question is temperature effects. I have had (lactose) remedies in the back of a car, in the sun, probably up to at least 115 F that work fine. It is said that the water pattern breaks down at 120 degrees, but that's just what I read in a book a long time ago. I'm sure modern water researchers could shed more light on that. It makes sense that liquid remedies that were heated significantly or were frozen would be reorganized completely. A 20% dilution, I'm told, is good to minus 30 degrees F before starting to freeze. 87% dilutions would be good to far lower
temperatures. Remedies on lactose (which have no liquid component, are presumably more impervious to heat or cold. If anyone has any experience with remedies being destroyed by heat or cold, it would be interesting to hear about it.

Robyn, none of this is authoritative, just my ideas, and not based on much hard data at that (only hearsay or a few observations). But thought I'd fill the vacuum at least.

Best,

-A

[Dave Hartley]

Hi Robyn

The only general consensus I'm aware of, which has LOTS of field
experimentation behind it, is that airport X-rays

(and now, thanx to creeping facism [or is it leaping facism?] we in the
U.S. can expect to have our belongings X-rayed as many as 3 or 4 times in
ONE airport visit.. not to mention having our pockets and shoes searched for
toothpicks and other things which might injure us if we fell with them while
running and poked them into our eyes -gee, thanks Big Brother, I feel so
safe with you constantly probing my figurative arse while you are selling
advance military technology to everyone with $ to pay for it, and giving it
away covertly to manipulable militia-factions which you might be able to use
in fomenting some convenient wars to ensure arms-profits, overthrow
governments who don't bow to your will, etc.. not to mention building up
handy straw-man scapegoats to point the finger at while you move to steal
the liberty of your own citizens as well as stealing the lives and
livelihoods of those who are victem to your covert world domination schemes)

-don't seem to affect remedies.

Other EMF sources - well, the Sun is said to be a handy remedy deactivator.
I would imagine that an EMP pulse-weapon or a powerful deguassing coil might
work for this purpose.
VERY likely that the tube of a Rafe-Bare device could be used to deactivate
remedies.

What did you have in mind, extactly ?

Since we don't even know and can't measure with any accuracy.. how it is
that the remedy is impressed upon the carrier (sugar pill, alcohol solution)
.. there isn't much hope at present of gaining access to any large body of
knowledge regarding EMF (a broad topic) on remedies.

regards,
Dave Hartley
www.Mr-Notebook.com
www.localcomputermart.com/dave
Seattle, WA 425.820.7443
Asheville, NC 828.285.0240

[Shannon Nelson]

Hi all,

on 11/23/02 6:19 PM, andyh@mcn.org at andyh@mcn.org wrote:
Hahnemann pharmacy mails remedies with a little indicator button which turns
black if heat exceeds 120, so evidently someone there thinks that 120 is
"the magic number". In the Organon Hahnemann mentions boiling as a way to
remove remedy residues, if bottles must be re-used (tho he also seems to say
this is a second-best approach, preferring to use new bottles).

Re cold, tho, I've had all sorts of remedies mailed into freezing weather,
and never any sign that this was a problem. (Would be nice to blame all my
failures on the weather, tho!)

Shannon
I'm sure modern water researchers could

[Robyn]

The reason I asked for info is that I am setting up a room to use for making
up the remedies among other things, and the cupboard in which I was
proposing to do this has an electricity main board in it. I have been told
that even though there are EMF's all through buildings with wiring, that
with regard to main boards, when a large number of the circuits are being
used there would be larger emissions of EMF's at that time. Even though this
is not the only place I could put my remedies, it is the most convenient.
Then, I realised that I have my remedies stored in a cupboard on the other
side of the wall to this mains box, in another cupboard, and was told that
the EMF's would be going through the bricks just as easily there. I have not
noticed that my remedies are not working, and they have been there for 4
months now. We have just had airconditioning installed, and the electrician
pointed out that if we have all four airconditioners going at the same time
the EMF's would be considerably more than the usual amount coming from the
board.
Robyn

The ignorance of yesterday is the knowledge of today
which in turn becomes the ignorance of tomorrow

[Shannon Nelson]

Hi Robyn,

So it seems you are mainly concerned about the magnetic fields that result
from strong electrical currents. If the wiring is done properly, up to
current codes, there shouldn't be much of this in the room (maybe except at
the box itself?). Current standards (someone correct me if I get anything
wrong here) call for wrapping wires around each other, which has the effect
of causing their magnetic fields to pretty much cancel out. But in older
houses, or done by someone not complying with the codes, there can be a lot
of current-carrying wires running in parallel, in which case their magnetic
fields will be reinforcing each other, and can lead to some very significant
levels.

Some years back I got an EMF meter (measures electric, magnetic, and
radio/microwave emissions) and found it very interesting to measure magnetic
fields in various places in our house. There were a few "hot spots", so I
did some re-placing of beds to avoid sleeping in any. I also gained a new
appreciation for why I was always told as a kid to sit "at least six feet
away" from the TV set -- the TV (at least ours) has a very strong magnetic
field when it's on, but like all magnetic fields it drops off very quickly,
and by 6 feet is down to an "acceptable" level. (The desktop computer also
puts out a strong field, tho the laptop puts out almost none.)

A friend had an old house whose floors turned out to be "cooking" -- one
room turned out to have wires from the entire rest of the house running
under it, and a *very* strong field up to about knee level. He got some
sort of foil which he lined the ceiling under the floor with, which turned
out to be (not cheap, but) cheaper than re-wiring.

Which doesn't answer your question about whether that magnetic field is
likely to damage your remedies, but does suggest that if you're uncertain,
you could probably avoid the problem simply by storing them at least a few
feet away from the box. And/or buy or borrow a field meter and measure,
and/or keep the remedies in a foil-lined box (if you want info as to what
type of foil this was, let me know; I can look it up in one of my mail order
catalogs). If it were me, I'd rather err on the side of caution, and not
*knowingly* store them long-term in a strong field of any kind, if it's
avoidable, but perhaps that's mainly my superstition...

Shannon
on 11/24/02 3:24 PM, Robyn at folco@tpg.com.au wrote:

[andyh]

Robyn wrote:
Robyn,

This sounds like a "hot" room, in terms of 60hz fields! I recommend obtaining or borrowing an EMF field meter, and measure around the room when the AC is on, and at other times. Get a data chart with values, and aim for way below whatever low exposure standard you find. Sometims local utility lends out these meters. A common one is called the Tri-field meter. It also sells for about $150, should be able to find it on the internet. If 60 hz emf is high in the room itself, I would think about shielding (for you and the remedies). I would not store remedies near 60hz or
computer fields (even laptops put out a significant signal, but CRT's are much worse).

Real shielding is very expensive. There might be other options (metallic linings for your shelving, test with meter to see if effective). Check with anyone in area who is into "baubiologie" (deals with geo- and manmade hazards) or find info on internet.

I would not take a chance with your remedies.

Best,
Andy

[Marlaina Eykelbeysh]

Hello Robyn,

I was informed that homeopathic remedies should be at least 3 ft. away for
anything electrical, including wires running through the walls. IMO, I
would definately not store my remedies on the same wall and would stay
further away than the minimum 3 ft because of a main circuit board.

Best,
Marlaina