insulin in potency

[elham mohajir]

Dear friends,
You can tell a person to please sit down and you can also tell him to take his bloody seat. They both mean the same thing but what a difference.
I think more important than the Homoeopathy we practice is the type of physician we are.
Let us all agree to disagree and keep our discussions healthy.
The difference betwen classical Homoeopathy and the non-classical type is like going to a tailor.
In classical Homoeopathy you try to fit the clothes to the patient.
In the non-classical type you have one size suit for everyone-man, woman and child. At times you will get a perfect fit. But more often the size will not fit and you will face failures.
Try to learn classical Homoeopathy, it is difficult but worth the trouble.
May I request everyone to end this discussion.
best regards
elham

[Dave Hartley]

Comments & questions remain, unanswered.. amidst barrage of
finger-pointing.
This is a common "cover-up" technique when a person wishes to avoid
answering questions... the person will typically try to turn the discussion
into an anti-personal one, instead of addressing the topical questions...
anyway:

By now you will hopefully realize that guess-o-pathy is 'officially'
off-topic.

I'm rather amazed that you pretend I have not posted to you privately (&
politely) as well as on-list when this availed nothing... asking that you
cease & desist from posting off-topic.

We are not gathered here to learn TCM or guess-o-pathy. Repetition of kind
words to this effect proved useless; the gloves come off & some harsher
words have also seemed lost on you, but at least there is now some overall
clarity on this list's topic, which I expect that you will now respect,
should you wish to continue to participate.

You, dear Isali, might try listening to the words from your own 'mouth' and
sit at the banquet of HOMEOPATHY here offered as a willing and hungry diner,
rather than attempting to change the menus and chase the chef out of the
kitchen.

I hope you cease to offer yourself as a pawn to the destructive energies
which wish to tear homeopathy down, and compose yourself to attain a bit of
"beginner's mind" with regard to homeopathy.

I believe that you should apologize to the group for your part in an aura of
hostility, precipitated by what I have continually referred to as your
relentless pursuit of off-topic posting.

For my part, I am sorry that I wasn't heard, and that I found no 'easier
softer way' to make myself heard, and I apologize to those with fragile
sensibilities who may've been shocked by some plainly-worded confrontation.
Still, I repeat the fact that many, many kind & polite & reasoning requests
went ignored. Check the list archives if you don't remember.

sincerely,

Dave Hartley
www.Mr-Notebook.com
www.localcomputermart.com/dave
Seattle, WA 425.820.7443
Asheville, NC 828.285.0240

[Rochelle]

Dear Isali,
May I ask how long your patient had been an Insulin Dependant Diabetic?
regards
Rochelle
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[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

There is a text of Ghosh in his book Rare Nosodes about insulin in
potency.
Sankaran cites Sukerkar, Muzumdar, Matani as having used insulin in
potency and describes the clinical results (Notes on Nosodes)

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind".

[twhite7101]

Ghosh also wrote up his clinical experience with Insulin. Good cases.
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[Rochelle]

Dear Joe,
<<

Sure I haven't got that book. Is there any chance it is on your computer and
you can paste relevant sections?
Regards,
Rochelle

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[Dave Hartley]

In Mathur's 'Systematic MM'

it is noted - Proved by Dr. William F. baker, Dr. S. K. Ghosh of Calcutta
Dave Hartley
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Asheville, NC 828.285.0240

[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

Here it is but it will be quite difficult to read, that is what my
program does when I try to copy and paste………….

Joe
ThisPancreatichormoneplaysanimportantpartintheprocessofsugarmetabolismin
thebody.Itscapacitytoburnsugarintocarbondioxide(CO2)andwater(H2O)andther
ebyhelpingthebodyforfatcombustion,hasmadeitveryuseful,inthehandsoftheAll
opathicschoolwherethepatientissavedfromthejawsofdeathincasesofdiabeticac
idosis.
Butfromthedynamicstandpoint,itwillbeobserved,thatInsulininpotencyhaseven
greaterutilitywhereglycogenicbalanceoftheliverisdisturbed.IncasesofHepat
itisandhepaticenlargementwheretheliverisembarrassedbylongcontinuedtoxicp
rocess,ithasaverygreatscope.Thusincaseswhereliverisenlargedtowardstheend
ofacuteinfectiousdiseases,suchasTyphoid,Pneumonia,etc.,afewdosesofInsuli
n30willrestorenormalbalanceandenhancetheprocessofre-generationrapidly.It
issimilartoCinchonainproducingweaknessbutitdoesnotaffectthebiliarypassag
eslikeCinchona.
DifferentfromCalcareaArs,whichisoneofourgreatremediesforpainfulenlargeme
ntofliver.Insulinhasnosuchpainfulnessoftheliver.
ThuswecanobservethatthewholeactionofInsulininthedynamicplanerevolvesroun
dtwomainfactors:-
1.Asthenia.
2.EnlargerliverorChronicfunctionalderangementofliver.
Iwascalledintoseeagirlaged7yrs.,withariseoftemperatureupto101deg.towards
afternoon,morningtemperaturebeingnormal,whenallthesymptomsoftoxemiaofTyp
hoidabated;shewasveryconstipatedandGlycerinenemahadtobeusedformovingtheb
owelseverythirdday.Psorinum2Cwasprescribedwhichbroughtdownthetemperature
to100deg.afteraweekwithoutanyfurtherimprovementforalongtime.
Astheailmenthadbeenundulyprolonged,Iexaminedheroncemoreandfoundherlivere
nlarged,hard,butnotpainful,tonguecoated,thicklywhitewithoutleavinganymar
kofindentation;breathingfoulandanoffensivedischargefrombothears(oldhisto
ryofOtorrhoea).WithoutgoingontoPsorinuminstillhigherpotency,ItriedInsuli
nin30thpotencytwodosesconsecutivelyonetobegiveneverymorning.Fromthesecon
ddaythetemperaturekeptbelownormalandneverroseintheafternoon.Herliverenla
rgementdisappearedwithinaweek.Anotherimportantfact,broughttomynotice,was
thatthedischargefromtheearhadalsostoppedaftertheuseofInsulin.
Insulindynamicallycoversratherdiarrheathanconstipation.Itisindicatedinch
ronicdiarrheaofchildren,whereweaknessandenlargedliverarepresent.Inmarasm
usandinearlystagesofinfantileliver,ifthereisnojaundice,Insulindeservesan
importantplaceandincasesoffailureofindicatedremediesinimprovingthechroni
cdiarrhea.Insulinretainswithinitsscopecasesofprolongeddiarrheaofgreenish
colorcontinuingafteranacuteattackofdysenteryorofchronicintestinaltrouble
swithloosenessandenlargementofliverorevenincommondyspepticswhereemetinef
ailstoimproveconditionoflooseness.
Somepointshavealreadybeenmentionedheretoshowthedifferenceofthisremedyfro
mCinchonaforexplainingandclarifyingthenatureofactionofInsulininpotency.T
hepositionwillbeclearerifwecomparetheactionofthismedicinewithtwootherdru
gsnotcommonlyused,ofwhichoneisMorganCompoundandtheotherisThyroid(bothin3
0thorhigherpotency)inmarasmusofchildrenwithchronicloosenessofthebowels.T
hyroidisalmostthesameinactionexceptthattheenlargedliverisnotsocharacteri
sticasthatofInsulin.Morganco.hasmuchwiderrangeofactionthanthatofInsulini
ndiarrheawithlivertroubles.FermentativeconditionismorepronouncedinMorgan
co.anditactswell,bothinacuteandinchroniccases.ProstrationinInsulindiffer
entiatesitfromMorganco.Medorrhinuminhigherpotency(200-1000)isaveryimport
antremedysooftenneglectedinchroniclivertroubleswithvariousdigestivedistu
rbances,connectedwithinfantileliverevenuptothelatestage.Itischaracterize
dbythesensationofburningofthepalmsandfeetandslighticteroidtingeofconjunc
tiva.Medorrhinumrectifiestheobscuremetabolicdefectsinthemotherwhenherchi
ldrencomeinforinfantileliver,oneafteranother,whichisaverycommonhistoryfo
undincasesofinfantileliver.
Intreatingthesecasesofinfantileliver,dietofthechildistoberestrictedandre
gulated,otherwiseitwillbedifficulttopreventitsrecurrenceandtoensureperma
nenteffect.
Insomecasesofduodenalcongestionwithbadliver,itcuresthehungerpainaswegeti
ncasesofduodenalulcer.
Insulinactsin'suppuration'indirectlyduetoitsactiononsugarmetabolism.Inma
terialdosesitcuressuppurationandpersistentoracuteinflammatoryconditionsb
yregulatinghyperglycemiawhichisresponsibleforsuchconditionindiabetics,bu
tindynamicplanewhenthereisatendencytoabscessformationandeasysuppurationi
nasthenicpatientsduringcloseoforasasequeltoacuteinfectiousdiseaseswithli
vertrouble(asifthetissuessufferfromhypoglycemia)Insulininpotencyplaysave
ryimportantpartinthecure.Ithasbeenrecommendedforsummerboilsco-existentwi
thbadliverandasthenicconditionandheavyperspirationorlossofanimalfluid.In
theabsenceoflivertrouble,BacillinumorCal.Sulph.singledoseinhighpotencyis
requiredtoeffectthecure.
Ifirstmadeuseofthisimportantdrugincaseofagirlwhowashavingbigpyemicabsces
sesonthebodysomeofthemdischargingpuswithasluggishtendencytoheal.Shehadhe
rliverenlarged.Insulin30thonedoseeverymorningforthreedaysbroughtaboutahe
althyreactionhealingthedrainingabscessesandpreventingfurtherrecrudescenc
e.
Inseveresuppurativeconditionsofconfluenttypesofsmallpox(wheneruptionsare
moreprominentonthefaceandneck),Insulininpotencyiswonderfullyusefulwhenco
ncomitantliverconditionandprostrationarepresent.Itdriesupthesores,withex
tensivecellulitisandtoxemia,withinacomparativelyshorttime.Itmaybemention
edherethatGaertner,anewnosodeon30thpotencymaybeusedinextensivesuppuratio
nwithintestinaldisordersinsmallpox.IhavecuredwithGaertnerinadesperatecas
eofsmallpoxwithextensivesuppurationveryrapidly.
Lastly,IfinditveryusefulinsinusesformedaftersuppurationoftheTuberculargl
andsoftheneck.InthefirststageofinflammationoftheTubercularglandsCalcIod,
Tuberculinum,etc.,inhighpotencyareveryeffectiveincuringtheenlargementwit
houtallowingittogointothestageofsuppuration.Butwhenwegetcaseswherethegla
ndshavealreadygivenwayanddrainingpusforalongtime,ortheygoontosuppuration
inspiteoftreatmentwithgradualemaciationandanemia,Insulininpotenciesfrom3
0thto200isveryefficacious.Itnotonlycuresthesinusesbutregeneratesthehealt
hofthepatientwithinaveryshorttime(videcases).
TwodrugswhichareworthmentioninghereandonwhichIhavegreatconfidenceinscrof
ulousulcersandsinuses,areBacillinuminveryhighpotenciesandOleumJacorisAse
llialsoinhighpotency.Insulincanbetriedwhenalltheseremediesfailtoimprove.
ThetherapeutichintsofInsulinonthedynamicplanecanbesummarizedthus;
1.Chronicintestinaldisorder,especiallywithloosenessofbowelswithenlargedl
iver.Themorechronicthediarrhea,themoreindicatedisInsulin.
2.Ulcers,boils,bedsores,hypopyonasafter-effectsofAcuteinfectiousdiseases
withdisorderedliver.
3.Chronicotorrheaandmastoiditisinemaciatedchildrenwherethepusisthinespec
iallywhencombinedwithenlargedliverandchronicdiarrheaorasafter-effectsofA
cuteinfectiousdiseases.
4.Insomecasesofintractableeczema,withchroniclivertroubles.Itisagreatreac
tiveremedyinallergiceczema.
5.Suppurationofthescrofulousglandsintheneckoranyothertypesofsuppurationo
nthispartofthebodytowhichithasgotaparticularaffinity.
Potency-Ihaveusedthedrugveryoftenin30thpotencyandhigher.
Ithink30thisthebestpotencyandlowerpotencymaypreferablybetriedincaseofbad
typesofsuppurationwhengeneralindicationsarewantingasalsoincasesofIntesti
nalTuberculosiswithdiarrheaattendedwithprofoundweaknessandlossofbalancei
ntheglycogenicreserve.
Cases:-TubercularGlandwithSinuses.
(1)AnoldladywasadmittedinmywardinCalcuttaHomeopathicCollegeandHospitalso
naccountofedemaoftheextremitieswithdyspneaandpainintheprecordium.Itwasdi
agnosedasacaseofepidemicdropsy.AfteradoseofDigitalis2Cwithsomerestrictio
nofdiet(riceandmustardoilbeingsuspended)thecasebegantoimproverapidly.Wit
hinamonth,whenshewaspracticallyfreefromallhercomplaints,shedevelopedenla
rgementofglandsintheneckontheanteriorborderofthesternocleidomastoidmuscl
esmarkedlymoreontheleftthenontherightsidewithariseoftemperatureto101deg.
towardsevening.
Thoseglandsshowedsignsofsuppurationandbegantoburstoneafteranother;asares
ultofthisherwholeneckwithinafortnightlookedlikeabagofpusdrainingcontinua
lly.Thisstateofthings,persistedfortwomonthsandahalfduringwhichvariousrem
ediesweretriedwithoutanyeffect.FromthebeginningmyprescriptionscontainedB
elladonna,HeparSulph,OleumJacorisAselli,CalcareaHypophos,Tuberculinumand
Silicea.Atlastthepatientbecamesoweakthatshecouldhardlymove,speakorevensw
allowanythingduetoextremeasthenia.Lastly,IprescribedInsulin30threepowder
sonetobetakeneverymorning.Nextdaythepatientsaidthatshewasfeelinglighteri
ntheneckandwhenthedressingswereremovedthefollowingday,herneckwasfoundpra
cticallydrywithalittlesloughhereandthere.Sincethenherconditionimprovedsa
tisfactorilyanditwasaftertendaysthatIhadtorepeat3dosesmorefortherightsid
e.ShewasdischargedfromtheHospitalquitecuredafterafortnight.
(2)Iwasconsultedbyaphysicianforayoungmanaged20,faircomplexionedandthinly
builtailingwithseveralsinusesintheneckdischargingpusfromhisscrofulousgla
nds.IprescribedSilicea30X(trit.)althoughtheattendingdoctorhadalreadyused
thesamedrugin200and1000potency.Ithadsomeeffectontheglandsandtwoorthreesi
nuseshealedupbuttherestresistedanyimprovement.Inspiteofthecontinuanceoft
hemedicineformorethantwomonths,othersinusesincreasedandcoalescedwitheach
otherformingabigbagofpusintheneck.Temperatureintheeveningwithanemiaandem
aciation.OleumJacorisAselliwasgivenin200thand1000thpotencywhichhoweverbr
oughtonalittleimprovementofthegeneralconditionandthesinusbutcouldnotstop
thedischargeflowingfromthesinuses.Bacillinuminhighpotencyalsofailed.When
ItookrecoursetoInsulin30,repeated3powderseverytwenty-fourhours,withquick
response.Ithealedupallthesinuseswithinafortnightandthegeneralconditionof
thepatientimprovedbeyondexpectation.
OtorrhoeaandOtitis(stet)Media.
(1)Onecasehasalreadybeendescribedwhiledwellingontheactionofthemedicine.
(2)Aboyagedabout4years,afteranattackoftyphoidfevertreatedhomeopathically
,wassufferingfrequentlyfromdiarrheaandindigestionandvoraciousappetite.Af
teraboutamonthandahalfhebegandischargingpusfromtherightearwithsevereinfl
ammationofthemastoidbone(indicatinganacutemastoidabscess)withariseintemp
erature.Insulin30in4dosestwiceadaycontrolledtheinflammationandstoppedthe
dischargewithimprovementofhisintestinalconditionalso.
LoosenessandLiverTroubles.
(1)Amalechildagedaboutayearhadbeensufferingfromvarioustroublessincebirth
themaintroublebeingloosenessofbowelsinspiteofrestricteddiet.Oninquiryitr
evealedthathewassusceptibletocoldandhadexcessivehankeringforsweets.Theel
derbrotherofthechilddiedatthesameage,ofinfantileliverandthisboyalsohadhi
sliverenlargedmoremarkedontheleftlobe.Medicinesindicatedbysymptomscouldi
mprovetemporarilythediarrheaonlybuttheenlargedliverremainedquiteunaffect
edstill.Lastly,IgavehimInsulin30oneeveryalternateday.Fromthe4thdaythedia
rrheastoppedandfromthattimeonwardthepatientbegantopasswell-formedstool,y
ellowincolor.AfteraweekwhenIexaminedthechildagaintheliverwasfoundtobealm
ostnormal.Hemadeamazingrecoveryafterwards.
(2)Amarasmicfemalechildagedabout2yearshadbeensufferingfromdiarrheawithdi
stendedabdomenandgradualemaciationofthebody.Shehadagreedy(orunusual)appe
titeandhankeringforsweets.Thechildwasthedaughterofahomeopathicdoctorwhoh
adtriedmanymedicinesforimprovingherdigestionandforassimilationoffoodwith
outperceptiblesuccess.Insulin30inthiscasealsointhesamewayasabovebroughta
boutawonderfullyspeedyrecoveryandapermanentimprovementofthebodilysystem.
SkinDisease.
Itwasacaseofamiddleagedhomeopathicphysicianwhohadlongbeenachronicsuffere
rfromdiarrheaandlivertroubles.Seldomheusedtopassaformedstool.Hecameinfor
asuddenandacutedermatitisofbothhispalmsandfingerswereenormouslyswollenan
dredwithexudationofyellowishstickyliquid.Consideringhisprevioushistory,I
triedInsulin30threedosesasusual,withremarkableimprovementandcurefromallh
isailments,withinaveryshortperiod.

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind".

[Shannon Nelson]

Where is that written up, or do you have anything to post? (Sorry, I don't
recall who Ghosh is.)
on 11/5/02 4:11 PM, twhite7101@aol.com at twhite7101@aol.com wrote:

[elham mohajir]

Greetings Isali,
Actually what I meant by a place for insulin was in Hypoglycaemia rather than diabetes. If you get a case of someone who get frequent attacks of hypoglycaemia and he has hepatomegaly and urticaria you may consider Insulin in potency provided you find no constitutional medicine. But using Insulin for diabetes seems a bit too far fetched and unhomoeopathic. In fact if you had to use the body's own hormones for diabetes you would do better to consider such hormones that work against Insulin such as Glucagon, somatostatin and ACTH.
Any way to cut a long story short you first try to find the constitutional medicine. Sometimes we can not find the medicine for the patient then the second best option would be to find the medicine for the disease of the patient. here you would need to know the indications of the medicnes with their key notes for example some medicines that may be used in diabetes with success are
1. URan-nit: Here the diabetes will be assocoiated with sleeplessness and Hypertension.
2. Lac-acid: Here the diabetes will be associated with Arthritis.
3. Acet-ac: Diabetes with gastritis and the patient can not lie on his back.
4. Ter: Diabetic nephropathy (mostly palliative work)
5. Ph-ac: Patient losing weight and feeling weak, desire for refreshing things.
6. Helonias: with its peculiar mental symptom that he/she becomes sad on seeing others happy.
7. Ferr. Mur: Diabetes with pain in right shoulder.
Most of the polycrests (Phos. Sulph. Lyco. etc) can and do cure diabetes and I am sure you know their indications, but when you can not find the indicated constitutional remedy you are free to use these other smaller medicnes.
But even if you can not findyour medicine among these then you may try other medicines like syzygium, cephelandra etc. but here the chances of failure go up. Again you may try some of the allopathiuc drugs in potency for example Prednislone is known to cause diabetes. If you have a patient with water and sodium retention moon face and thin legs, osteoporosis, and schizophrenia like symptoms you may try this medicine.
But you see most of these medicines have the capacity to produce diabetes in the healthy. Whereas Insulin does the exact opposite and brings down the sugar level that is why it would be homoeopathic to hypoglycaemia rather than diabetes.

Best regards
Elham
PS: I have used all the above medicnes and except syzygium from which I have never seen any benefit I have seen the others cure diabetes.