Suppression

[Luise Kunkle]

Hi Gail,
This is exactly what happened in Germany!

I have always restricted my conclusions to Germany because I do not
know about the way it was in other countries. I am glad, but not
surprised, that seems to have worked the same way ourside of Germany
too.

Regards

Luise

This moved it out of the control of Royal Society of

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[Feras Hakkak]

Dear Luise,

Please take a look at the work done by Predictive homeopathy group. They have illustrated well how the suppression may happen.
www.predictivehomeopathy.com

I have also seen how sometimes, of course sometimes, incorrect use of potentized remedies makes a mess.

Regards,
Feras
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[Shannon Nelson]

My .02:
Cure is not always a one-shot deal, but I would not call it *rare*...
Personally I too still get more than my share of "misses", but the
cures have made it worth it!
Not only that, but also that there was no *worsening* to be found,
along with the local and/or temporary improvement. (Sometimes the
effect of suppression may be delayed and/or inobvious, it's true.)
Usually? That depends!
*If* there was a curative process, that only needed more repetition
and/or higher potency, then what you saw was not palliation, but rather
steps toward cure.

Palliation by definition is temporary improvement *without* any actual
lasting improvement. There too the boundaries can be somewhat
fuzzy--sufficient palliation can give the body "space" to begin working
toward cure--except that, if the disease is chronic / miasmatic, then
the body would not be able to accomplish that on its own *unless* the
deeper weakness is also being addressed.
Suppression means that one thing / area got better *and another got
worse*.
Suppression *by definition* means that the person is now WORSE off than
they were before. If they are better off, then yeah, you could call it
a layer, and you could call it simply a step on the road toward
cure--it's not suppression, by definition.

However--
I do think it's true that if we view suppression with "shock and awe"
and immediately jump to antidote, we may be simply missing the next
best prescribing opportunity. If the "suppressed" state is strong
enough to *need* handling, beyond just letting it pass, then likely it
is presenting symptoms strong enough to be guiding, and they will be
coming from the next-most-compromised part of the physiology.

Confession--I have this opinion / understanding not on basis of my own
experience, but on basis of [my memory and understanding of] talks
years back by Ian Watson. He convinced me, tho. So, if someone
feels I've misstated this, or that it's simply not true, I'll happily
stand for correction!
The nature of *chronic* disease is that it worsens over time.
So, going back to the "deeper" layer should be to a *less* compromised
state, not a worse one.
Leaving the person overall worse off than they were before--*in spite
of* local and/or temporary improvement. Is it common? No! Does it
happen? Yes, or so I read.
What you're describing sounds like "de-compensation", which seems like
it could also happen in a suppressed state, and I would agree that that
could be useful to the prescriber -- goes, I think, with Ian's
position.

Cheers,
Shannon

[Sheri Nakken]

Hi Jeff,
Thanks for bring this upp
The VF is much more than the immune system (the immune system is only
part of it all)
I'm not sure we can say that it produces antigens. Why do you think that?
I don't think it has anything at all to do with infection and the
production of antigen
Here is a summary of the types of antigens:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antigen
I think you need to leave the words antigen and infection behind in
your description.
It isn't helpful.
I suggest not using immune system, antigen or infection in your
descriptions. They are way too limiting and not accurate.
The immune mutates itself?

I will share some links that express this better, in my opinion

Sheri
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ONLINE/Email classes in Homeopathy; Vaccine Dangers; Childhood Diseases Reality
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[Sheri Nakken]

Good references on Suppression that I use in my classes:

SUPPRESSION by HERBERT A. ROBERTS, M.D.
http://homeoint.org/books4/roberts/chapter18.htm

THE LAW OF PALLIATION by HERBERT A. ROBERTS, M.D.
http://homeoint.org/books4/roberts/chapter19.htm

http://www.healthyhomeopathy.com/hsc/pg10.htm
Suppression Versus Cure

www.homeopathysnc.org/luc_de_schepper_ law_of_similars_ dissimilars .htm

MISC: The Law of Similars and Dissimilars and its Consequences
http://www.homeopathyhome.com/reference ... trev.shtml



Coulter Book Review
by Julian Winston
Divided Legacy: A History of the Schism in Medical Thought
Volume IV; Twentieth Century Medicine: The Bacteriological Era
by Harris L. Coulter

The Center for Empirical Medicine, Washington DC and North Atlantic Books, Berkeley, CA, 1995
Hardbound, 776 pages, $50.00, ISBN 1-55643-170-8
Reviewed by Julian Winston

The second section ends with a discussion of how allopathic medicine views Hering's Law of Cure. Case after case is presented where a suppression of the external caused a deeper internal problem.

Patrick Hall-Smith is quoted: "There is a significant but poorly understood association between [ichthyosis-- a skin disease] and eczema, asthma, and hay fever." Says Harris: "Allopathic dermatology is aware that internal conditions are often externalized on the skin, but this information is not put into a dynamic context."

http://www.homeopathyzone.com/blog/arti ... thic-cure/
Health, Disease, and Adaptation to the Present Moment
Medical Suppression of Symptoms and Its Homeopathic Cure
------------------------------------------
Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath
http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm & http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo.htm
ONLINE/Email classes in Homeopathy; Vaccine Dangers; Childhood Diseases Reality
Next classes start December 2 & 3

[Sheri Nakken]

Good references on Suppression that I use in my classes:

SUPPRESSION by HERBERT A. ROBERTS, M.D.
http://homeoint.org/books4/roberts/chapter18.htm

THE LAW OF PALLIATION by HERBERT A. ROBERTS, M.D.
http://homeoint.org/books4/roberts/chapter19.htm

http://www.healthyhomeopathy.com/hsc/pg10.htm
Suppression Versus Cure

www.homeopathysnc.org/luc_de_schepper_ law_of_similars_ dissimilars .htm

MISC: The Law of Similars and Dissimilars and its Consequences
http://www.homeopathyhome.com/reference ... trev.shtml


Coulter Book Review
by Julian Winston
Divided Legacy: A History of the Schism in Medical Thought
Volume IV; Twentieth Century Medicine: The Bacteriological Era
by Harris L. Coulter

The Center for Empirical Medicine, Washington DC and North Atlantic Books, Berkeley, CA, 1995
Hardbound, 776 pages, $50.00, ISBN 1-55643-170-8
Reviewed by Julian Winston

The second section ends with a discussion of how allopathic medicine views Hering's Law of Cure. Case after case is presented where a suppression of the external caused a deeper internal problem.

Patrick Hall-Smith is quoted: "There is a significant but poorly understood association between [ichthyosis-- a skin disease] and eczema, asthma, and hay fever." Says Harris: "Allopathic dermatology is aware that internal conditions are often externalized on the skin, but this information is not put into a dynamic context."

http://www.homeopathyzone.com/blog/arti ... thic-cure/
Health, Disease, and Adaptation to the Present Moment
Medical Suppression of Symptoms and Its Homeopathic Cure
------------------------------------------
Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath
http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm & http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo.htm
ONLINE/Email classes in Homeopathy; Vaccine Dangers; Childhood Diseases Reality
Next classes start December 2 & 3

[Paul Booyse]

Hi Jeff,
The remedy doesn't cure through a vital force response. The remedy cures by temporarily replacing that which has caused the vital force to be disturbed. There is a deeper level that disrupts normal homeostasis and the vital force in its disarray causes signs and symptoms, which it will never correct on its own, because it is under the control of this disease entity. The remedy being similar and slightly stronger to that which has caused the disruption, takes over that control, whereupon the disease causing entity can no longer act on the VF and loses its hold. The remedy controls the VF in a diseased way, until its action ceases, whereupon our "indwelling spirit" can regain control once more of the VF and proceed to fulfill our mission, in a state of health. The remedy is "temporary" unless we are not careful with dosing. If we continue to dose with the remedy, we keep the VF in a diseased state (a proving state).
The VF on its own is not intelligent. It is always under the control of a spirit like entity, our indwelling spirit in health or a disease spirit-like entity in disease, or a potentized homeopathic remedy. The disease like entity is of the same character as the archetypal forces that have produced the natural kingdoms. So in Bryonia it is similar to the archetypal forces that create Bryonia.
The first paragraph is Hahnemann. The second paragraph is my own distillation, which you may care to disagree with.
regards,
Paul

[Sheri Nakken]

Hi Jeff,
Thanks for bring this up - just wanting to clarify some thigns
The VF is much more than the immune system (the immune system is only
part of it all)
I'm not sure we can say that it produces antigens. Why do you think that?
I don't think it has anything at all to do with infection and the
production of antigen
Here is a summary of the types of antigens:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antigen
I think you need to leave the words antigen and infection behind in
your description.
It isn't helpful.
I suggest not using immune system, antigen or infection in your
descriptions. They are way too limiting and not accurate.
The immune mutates itself?

I will share some links that express this better, in my opinion

Sheri
------------------------------------------
Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath
http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm & http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo.htm
ONLINE/Email classes in Homeopathy; Vaccine Dangers; Childhood Diseases Reality
Next classes start December 2 & 3

[Sheri Nakken]

Good references on Suppression that I use in my classes:

SUPPRESSION by HERBERT A. ROBERTS, M.D.
http://homeoint.org/books4/roberts/chapter18.htm

THE LAW OF PALLIATION by HERBERT A. ROBERTS, M.D.
http://homeoint.org/books4/roberts/chapter19.htm

http://www.healthyhomeopathy.com/hsc/pg10.htm
Suppression Versus Cure

www.homeopathysnc.org/luc_de_schepper_ law_of_similars_ dissimilars .htm

MISC: The Law of Similars and Dissimilars and its Consequences
http://www.homeopathyhome.com/reference ... trev.shtml


Coulter Book Review
by Julian Winston
Divided Legacy: A History of the Schism in Medical Thought
Volume IV; Twentieth Century Medicine: The Bacteriological Era
by Harris L. Coulter

The Center for Empirical Medicine, Washington DC and North Atlantic Books, Berkeley, CA, 1995
Hardbound, 776 pages, $50.00, ISBN 1-55643-170-8
Reviewed by Julian Winston

The second section ends with a discussion of how allopathic medicine views Hering's Law of Cure. Case after case is presented where a suppression of the external caused a deeper internal problem.

Patrick Hall-Smith is quoted: "There is a significant but poorly understood association between [ichthyosis-- a skin disease] and eczema, asthma, and hay fever." Says Harris: "Allopathic dermatology is aware that internal conditions are often externalized on the skin, but this information is not put into a dynamic context."

http://www.homeopathyzone.com/blog/arti ... thic-cure/
Health, Disease, and Adaptation to the Present Moment
Medical Suppression of Symptoms and Its Homeopathic Cure
------------------------------------------
Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath
http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm & http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo.htm
ONLINE/Email classes in Homeopathy; Vaccine Dangers; Childhood Diseases Reality
Next classes start December 2 & 3