Suppression

[Rochelle]

No she didn't plus the dose but just took the one dose of the 30C. Now this
is a woman who has had no energy and like a CFS for 6 years since post natal
depression so here's hoping!!
Regards,
Rochelle
www.rochellemarsden.co.uk

[isali]

Hi Shannon, an impediment in the processing of the information of the remedy
given, or the wrong remedy, as in close but not on point. A form of
energetic blockage manifested as a variant in clinical manifestations.
Hopefully arriving at a clearing in the form of 'cure'. From Rochelle's
latest post this is exactly what occured, an impediment in the processing of
info because of the pharm taken.

Regards and good thoughts

[Dave Hartley]

This also begs the issue of posology to be raised... not to mention
aggravations possibly due to unhomeopathic remedy.

Similia Minimus = "minimum dose" of homeopathic medicine, relates, yes-
very much to potency, but possibly even more strongly relates to POSOLOGY...
which can be proven in practice, by giving even "high" potency, where
indicated, (and I don't think there is yet conclusive evidence that 1M is
"too high" in this case, though generally we shouldn't use the higher where
the lower will serve: similiam minimus)
-in liquid posology, as per Organon 5th & 6th editions.

On the one hand, discharges should never be suppressed -
on the other hand, in some cases aggravations may be entirely avoided by
attending scrupulously to "minimum dose"
-it is only within the context of the individual case and it's management
that one is able to see whether what is often tritely termed "cleansing
crises" is actually an aggravation, which could be due to
1. wrong remedy
2. wrong potency (too high) ... (OR too low -in rare instances)
3. wrong posology (commonly ignored)

In this case, I should be most careful about repeating Sepia, especially if
the newly established discharge is characteristic OF THE REMEDY... which
would be an indication of a dis-similar aggravation: wrong remedy.

Sepia has within its power to cause both of the mentioned "cleansing"
symptoms.
This should be borne clearly in mind while assessing this case in these
early stages, where symptoms consistent with PROVINGS (symptoms of the
remedy, which indicate possible dis-similar aggravation) are in evidence.

In a situation like this, it would be well advised to read up on the
characteristics of the remedy with regard to the possibility that
dis-similar aggravation is occurring.

Should the "streaming" (presumably clear?) discharge become yellow &/or
blood-streaked, I would recommend heartily that additional doses of Sepia be
avoided.... as this would be movement away from the direction of cure, and
toward developing pathology consistent with proving - OF the remedy.

The ideal of cure would not include aggravations, nor the establishment of
"cleansing" discharge as a rule.
regards,
Dave Hartley
www.Mr-Notebook.com
www.localcomputermart.com/dave
Seattle, WA 425.820.7443
Asheville, NC 828.285.0240

[Shannon Nelson]

Hi Dave and all,
Interspersed:

on 12/6/02 7:16 PM, Dave Hartley at dave@localcomputermart.com wrote:
To me it seemed significant that, after the 1M, she had all the diarrhea,
but no sign that she felt better in any way. Yet after the 30, in spite of
the "streaming", she feels perky. To me, this is a *very* much better
situation.
Maybe this is sort of an academic point, but I'd call this "discharge"
rather than "aggravation". (Did she have runny nose stuff before?)
Maybe (probably? I don't know) LMs could have achieved the goal without the
"streaming", but my experience with discharges like this is that it's
*worth* it!!! It goes, you know something is happening, you feel *good*
along with the ickiness, and once it's gone, you feel *great*. The fact
that she feels so good along with it, to *me* says that this is simply
housecleaning -- her body finally has the necessary energy to do a job
that's been needed for some time, and she's "singing while she works"! (Now
if she felt tired and drooopy and depressed, I'd be much less optimistic
about it, tho I gather that *can* happen too.)

Other than that, I can't disagree with anything you've said; I guess I just
feel more optimistic about it than you do, no doubt based on my personal
experiences of such!

Rochelle, you've got our attention -- let us know how it comes out!

Shannon

[Dave Hartley]

> an impediment in the processing of info because of the pharm taken.

That remains to be seen. Still altogether possible this is wrong Rx.

Will become apparent if symptoms proceed in the direction of patholology
characteristic of the remedy.
If NOT, yes - you'd be right.
Dave Hartley
www.Mr-Notebook.com
www.localcomputermart.com/dave
Seattle, WA 425.820.7443
Asheville, NC 828.285.0240

[Rochelle]

Thanks Dave for your diatribe which I presume was written for students who
don't yet have this knowledge. I can assure you that I have no intention of
repeating the Sepia 30 or any other remedy if her energy after 6 years is on
the up. I will be waiting as long as it takes to establish if/when the same
or different Rx is indicated.

If you have any thoughts on the case I posted where nothing happened as to
remedies which may be indicated I would love to hear them.

Regards
Rochelle
www.rochellemarsden.co.uk

[Rosemary Hyde]

Hi, Dave.

Could you elaborate just a little on what you were referring to with your
interesting statement : "Will be come apparent if sx proceed in the
direction of pathology characteristic of the remedy?" What will become
apparent?

I must have lost a filament of the thread...

Thanks.

Rosemary

[Rochelle]

She's brought her appointment forward to next week so I will keep you
posted. Am just hoping that she doesn't go down again. She didn;t have a
cold (streaming) before . In fact I gather that she "doesn't get colds"!!
Regards,
Rochelle
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[Dave Hartley]

Hi Rosemary,

Isali had expressed his understanding that a remedy was cancelled/antidoted
by OTC diarrhea med

I had suggested that several possibilities existed, including dis-similar
aggravation, in which case symptoms belonging to the remedy are induced,
which brings the thread current to
"Will be come apparent if sx proceed in the direction of pathology
characteristic of the remedy"
Dave Hartley
www.Mr-Notebook.com
www.localcomputermart.com/dave
Seattle, WA 425.820.7443
Asheville, NC 828.285.0240

[Soroush Ebrahimi]

Hia Jeff
Possibility of cure is indicated by the reactivity of the VF.
When the curative remedy is prescribed, the patient generally feels better in themselves - although some symptoms may remain
Suppression - The main symptoms has gone away, but others have taken its place - directions of cure are not achieved etc etc.
Importantly the patient does not feel well.
A spoilt case is often very difficult to treat. One aspect of spoilt cases through suppression is the fact that VF is weakened.
What is observed is that the patient has received 20 -50 remedies in quick time and none of them have achieved what the patient or the Hm were looking for. In fact yesterday in Sheilagh Creasy's master class we were looking at it and interestingly she was saying that the remedy that profoundly affected the patient had not even been prescribed for the 'spoilt' cases that she had inherited. So a lot is down to poor case taking / case analysis / case management.
Homoeopathy is only safe in careful and well-trained hands.
Where do you practise?

Regards

Soroush