Iridiology: useful？

[Roger]

I just want to know how accurate it is.

does iridology pick up everything?
And give the intensity of the issues?
Are there false positives with it?

My personal experience of having it done once for me was that it seemed to identify a bunch of stuff that didnt seem accurate to me, unless I was on death's door and was blissfully unaware of it. I was given a whole long laundry list of issues that I was not aware of.
Roger

[Ellen Madono]

Hi Roger,

I would not use it to tell patients everything that shows up. In fact, I would be very careful about this. I find that most of the talk that I hear about what you should do based on iridology to be just too aggressive. I personally find it offensive. I would only take care of what is apparent to them already. But, it would show toxic buildup or weak organs of discharge. That would tell me a lot about what to expect from a remedy. For example, how careful I need to be about aggravation. Should I clean up first?

I personally am very healthy. So, knowing about weaknesses would be useful. Not because I would jump on them, but I would reconsider some aspects of my lifestyle. Or I do overall therapies like urine therapy or fasting work for me. I never know if I am making any progress just because I don't have any evidence of major problems. Any progress is going to be very subtle. I think it would be helpful.

Best,
Ellen Madono

[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

It is supposed to show everything, for the practitioner to recognise it is another question.

Intensity? In theory yes, but very nuanced so again a practitioner's sensitivity, hence the use of software.

False positives, definitely. For example a "weak constitution" with lots of "holes" can also be interpreted as pathologies in all the organs where "holes" are located.

It is just one more tool to be used with common sense like every other tool and whose results must be corroborated by other means.

IMO...

Joe.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

www.naturamedica.co.nz

[Ellen Madono]

Hi Dr. Roz,

That false positive could be something that the px was born with but is not showing now or ever. I’m hoping that I can shorten the interview and reduce problems with aggravations. Or at least make them more predictable. If I can’t do a good homeopathic interview no amount of other tools are going to help. Also it would be helpful if the photos could record changes that are taking place, but maybe the patient doesn’t feel them or can’t report them. So I can at least keep them on the remedy when there is not clear obvious symptoms of change. This would be important if I were doing an F potency.

So it’s just confirmatory. Aside from the obvious black holes, the lacunae, some of the other signs seem visually harder to detect and two possible interpretations could also cause confusion. So, it would help a lot to have a better photo.

This is my guess from looking at a few YouTube videos and reading a little. I may be very poorly informed.

Best,
Ellen

[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

Let us know how it goes.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

www.naturamedica.co.nz

[Hennie Duits]

During my education the course of study was called “Iriscopie”. I’ve
only seldom been able to make a true connection between what I ‘saw’ and
actual complaints and/or maybe constitutions as mentioned within
iriscopie. So, slowly, over the course of a few years, I stopped using
my ‘irismicroscoop’.

A few years ago I modified it into a regular 10x - 40x microscope.

Hennie
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[Ellen Madono]

Hi Hennie,

I looked it up and Iriscopie appears to be a German method. Did you learn it in German? Or maybe it never took off in English?
That’s interesting that you never found any correspondences. I have been having trouble finding correspondences with Chinese medicine which I know at a very superficial level.
Partly, my mind is closed. I’m so focused on classical homeopathy, it’s been hard to widen my focus. Recently, I’ve been taking off the side liners of my narrow focus. I’ve never been a Kentian homeopath, still I’m influenced. I’m one of the stupid people that I am guessing Dr. Roz dislikes because they tend to put things in a box. Or at least try to put him in a box, he thinks. And I don’t blame him.
I’m trying to climb out of my little box. Even using Bach flower remedies or organ remedies are a big deal to me. Neither of those are going to fit into my classical training or the common rubrics of the repertory. But I’m determined to get out of this constitutional prescribing box I am in.
Iridology is just one more of those challenges. Maybe it’s going to be too much of a stretch, but somehow it doesn’t look like it when I look at the iridology books or YouTube videos. It looks to me like they are in box. At least what I see on YouTube is a little too dogmatic for me. I really don’t want to join them, so I’m going to have to find my own way.
Best,
Ellen Madono

[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

Come on Ellen, I do not "dislike" anyone, I just try to break the boxes open and make a bigger one out of them....you should have heard my seminar in London, quite a lot of carpentry going on....
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

www.naturamedica.co.nz

[Ellen Madono]

I wish I’d been there in London to hear your lecture. Did you bring motorized equipment or make do with the old fashion hammer and saw? Yes that’s it. I want to bigger box, but I still want to stay in my box. No cure for this need for security.

[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

I just used my fists...and my big mouth...the seminar was taped and will be available through the CHE website soon.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

www.naturamedica.co.nz