back to homeopathy ~ Materia Medica DD

[Sherill]

I appreciate the few responses. If I had titled this Materia Medica differential might that have asked a question of interest? I noted that this was not a case. That I was looking to change the topic. I AM a homeopath and I know “it depends…”

I was hoping for some more discussion, to channel some of that political energy and passion back into a homeopathic discussion. For example: I once worked with a man who had strong anger issues. I was sure the remedy was Aurum. I gave him a 200C, he got in a fight, and went to jail. Was this aggravation? Was it wrong remedy? I was very reluctant to aggravate him again as was he(!) Is, for example, one of the first remedies YOU think of for rage? Again I am not looking for a CASE, or a solution, I am interested in having a discussion between homeopaths about remedies you think of for rage.
And thanks Soroush! Shame is huge!!!
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I am working in an inpatient addiction facility. While my intentions were (and remain) to do much more homeopathy, I have not made/found/managed the time for as many full cases as I hoped. Nux Vomica really seems to be the arnica of rehab, both for detoxification and seemingly this personality shows, often. While anger is common, I don’t see as much “rage” as one might anticipate. Just as a survey – not as a case taking – which remedies do you think of first when you think RAGE? I certainly anticipate solanaea(s), maybe tarent, anac? I am not asking for help with a case but a general poll. Additionally which are the most unusual remedies that you know with RAGE in them?
Sherill

[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

To me (I am biased of course...) this is a matter of potency choice and administration rather than remedy choice, as the number of "rage" remedies is huge.

A large part of developing the Fibonacci Potencies was to allow introducing a progressive administration of a remedy, with the ability to use at each stage multiple dilution glasses that bring a slow but soft "reboot" towards normality instead of a sudden "jerk" that can definitely create dangerous aggravations as you have experienced, which can even be deadly if the patient presents with heart disease or dangerous asthma symptoms.

Joe.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

www.naturamedica.co.nz

[Ellen Madono]

Hi Sherill,

I have been struggling with these issues. I am very happy to change the subject. Thank you.

Mangialavori cites cases where the patient doesn't recognize his own anger. It suppressed. So when the remedy is effective he becomes very angry. He is easily angered and he expresses. I think the case was one of the remedies in the Ruta-like group. I have to look it up. But he makes warnings that are similar descriptions of other remedies. A symptom is suppressed and the right remedy brings it out, so the behavior of the patient is worse at least temporarily.

I had three cases in the same family of patients who were quite different but in every case, anger was suppressed. This family takes very careful care of their emotional life. The parents meditate, they talk about the problems and actually it is very hard to figure out what their problems are in reality.

The Nat mur case was an adolescent. I've been treating him since he was a baby, before he was born actually. He has always had a lot of trouble because he acts out his anger. I was using Veratrum album and Stramonium. I'm not sure that I was incredibly successful since I was having a hard time talking to this boy. ( Yeah everybody has an excuse.) The case was taken mainly by talking to the parents. Anyway as he was entering adolescence, perhaps under the influence of Veratrum album, he began suppressing his anger more. He was much more conscious and he could recognize that he was about to explode, so he would ask for his remedy. Then he began to get physical symptoms of Nat-mur. That was a big help.

Coming back to your question, Nat-mur helped him to become more conscious of his anger, he continues to explode, but it's easier for his parents to talk to him about it. I guess he's different than your patient because this boy always explodes after suppressing the anger. There was a time when he even became violent and it seems to have disappeared. But lots of shouting and gesturing.

In the Sepia case, the mother of this boy never expressed anger. She was very difficult to interview because she also didn't express other emotions. When she started Sepia, she started having very childish tantrums. I had never seen this before in my other cases, but talking to her and her husband, I reasoned that she was expressing anger that she really felt. She was just very bad at recognizing it and finding ways to channel it. I reassured them as if I really knew that since she was an adult, she would be a much quicker learner than a three-year-old. Luckily, I was right.

I hope that your man in jail has the same experience.

Interestingly, I was missing the father's remedy because I didn't recognize the nature of his anger, dictatorial. Based on an acute for something else, she told me about his anger. he was exploding at his kids because he was supposed to do the dishes, they were not doing the dishes, for example. He couldn't walk because of his leg injury, but he was very upset because the household work was not being done efficiently. Nux vomica turned out to help him with his physical problem, but more importantly, it turned out to be his constitutional. I recognized it because I had had so many failures. That is, I knew his case, I just didn't know the nux vomica part of it, his anger. It seems, that in this family because anger was so carefully suppressed, I had a hard time seeing it in these patients.

[Leilanae]

Sherill,

Complete Dynamics browser edition has 224 rage rubics.

With rage - fury I might consider starting with a 6C and slowly going up, skipping 200C. The energy is going to express and it is easier to deal with
in "smaller incidents" than "big blow ups".

Atb,

Leilanae

[Ellen Madono]

Hi Sherill,
The is always something behind rage. Maybe your job does not allow you to go that deep, but physical symptoms will help. If you get the right remedy, it may be easier to talk to the patient. Try to do long term follow ups.
Best,
Ellen

[Dale Moss]

Hi, Sherrill

Interesting questions. When I see someone who’s an explosion waiting to happen — or who has exploded in rage, particularly if the rage is way out of proportion to what’s going on with him or her — my first thought is usually Belladonna. As to the most unusual remedy with rage, for me it’s Buddleia. How can a bush so lovely and graceful contain such anger? Then I remember it’s a member of the Scrophulariaceae family…

Peace,
Dale

[Sherill]

Oh yes Ellen, I see that he speaks of jaborandi (and other Rutacea) and compares it the Ignatia and Staphysagria in this suppressed anger. Interesting concept when folks are sleepless due to suppressed anger they are not even acknowledging.

I appreciate your considered post about the family that really took care of their emotional life. By doing those behaviors, it really is telling to a homeopath that they have issues they are managing… Someone who is not deeply angry, or suppressing their anger, wouldn’t be working so hard at it.
With the Nat mur case, I do not hear that you making excuses. Is this not the unfolding of a case? IT is HARD to “get it” right away, especially when the person is suppressed for ANY reasons. And isn’t that a lovely trio of related remedies? Nat-mur as offspring of Sepia and Nux.
In my current setting, The rage I am thinking about IS EXPESSED. Again this is not a case but a musing on my part. I think I am seeing those various drugs, not just alcohol, as the measures used to suppress anger and rage, not the other way around. They (many of the people I am observing) have the anger/rage, and it is problematic. The way it can be expressed is scary and they desperately fear their own anger. Very conscious. Many, not all, are situations arising from abuse.
Dr Joe: In the Aurum “case” I shared, I agree it was very likely a potency issue because it definitely ACTED.
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Hi Sherill,
I have been struggling with these issues. I am very happy to change the subject. Thank you.
Mangialavori cites cases where the patient doesn't recognize his own anger. It suppressed. So when the remedy is effective he becomes very angry. He is easily angered and he expresses. I think the case was one of the remedies in the Ruta-like group. I have to look it up. But he makes warnings that are similar descriptions of other remedies. A symptom is suppressed and the right remedy brings it out, so the behavior of the patient is worse at least temporarily.
I had three cases in the same family of patients who were quite different but in every case, anger was suppressed. This family takes very careful care of their emotional life. The parents meditate, they talk about the problems and actually it is very hard to figure out what their problems are in reality.
The Nat mur case was an adolescent. I've been treating him since he was a baby, before he was born actually. He has always had a lot of trouble because he acts out his anger. I was using Veratrum album and Stramonium. I'm not sure that I was incredibly successful since I was having a hard time talking to this boy. ( Yeah everybody has an excuse.) The case was taken mainly by talking to the parents. Anyway as he was entering adolescence, perhaps under the influence of Veratrum album, he began suppressing his anger more. He was much more conscious and he could recognize that he was about to explode, so he would ask for his remedy. Then he began to get physical symptoms of Nat-mur. That was a big help.
Coming back to your question, Nat-mur helped him to become more conscious of his anger, he continues to explode, but it's easier for his parents to talk to him about it. I guess he's different than your patient because this boy always explodes after suppressing the anger. There was a time when he even became violent and it seems to have disappeared. But lots of shouting and gesturing.
In the Sepia case, the mother of this boy never expressed anger. She was very difficult to interview because she also didn't express other emotions. When she started Sepia, she started having very childish tantrums. I had never seen this before in my other cases, but talking to her and her husband, I reasoned that she was expressing anger that she really felt. She was just very bad at recognizing it and finding ways to channel it. I reassured them as if I really knew that since she was an adult, she would be a much quicker learner than a three-year-old. Luckily, I was right.
I hope that your man in jail has the same experience.
Interestingly, I was missing the father's remedy because I didn't recognize the nature of his anger, dictatorial. Based on an acute for something else, she told me about his anger. he was exploding at his kids because he was supposed to do the dishes, they were not doing the dishes, for example. He couldn't walk because of his leg injury, but he was very upset because the household work was not being done efficiently. Nux vomica turned out to help him with his physical problem, but more importantly, it turned out to be his constitutional. I recognized it because I had had so many failures. That is, I knew his case, I just didn't know the nux vomica part of it, his anger. It seems, that in this family because anger was so carefully suppressed, I had a hard time seeing it in these patients.
To me (I am biased of course...) this is a matter of potency choice and administration rather than remedy choice, as the number of "rage" remedies is huge.

A large part of developing the Fibonacci Potencies was to allow introducing a progressive administration of a remedy, with the ability to use at each stage multiple dilution glasses that bring a slow but soft "reboot" towards normality instead of a sudden "jerk" that can definitely create dangerous aggravations as you have experienced, which can even be deadly if the patient presents with heart disease or dangerous asthma symptoms.

Joe.

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
www.naturamedica.co.nz

[Sherill]

Dale,

Belladonna makes so much sense as do any of the solanacea. That we think if it as an acute is interesting to consider. Once folks detox, the rage does settle a bit and Belladonna would be a grand idea from that point of view too. I will go read Buddleia for my own education. Thanks!
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Hi, Sherrill
Interesting questions. When I see someone who’s an explosion waiting to happen — or who has exploded in rage, particularly if the rage is way out of proportion to what’s going on with him or her — my first thought is usually Belladonna. As to the most unusual remedy with rage, for me it’s Buddleia. How can a bush so lovely and graceful contain such anger? Then I remember it’s a member of the Scrophulariaceae family…
Peace,

Dale

[Victoria Mashevsky]

I must admit that I am with Dr. Roz on the subject of potency. Although I am not a "full convert" and there are remedies that I still prescribe in 30C, 200C and 1M, when it comes to ppl who can be aggravated with serious consequences I start with 5C and go up the Fibonacci potencies. Since I've switched to this method I've stopped getting aggravations on Apis - the remedy that had cost me many a client calling at 11 p.m. asking "I'm way worse, what now?"



Victoria M-Sky
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[Dale Moss]

Sherill,

Here’s some of what Massimo has to say about Belladonna and the Solanaceae in general:

COMPENSATED adult Solanaceae tend to appear over-controlled, CALM – if you’re able to perceive interaction between you & Px, beyond the wall containing these strong emotions, you can perceive boiling, roiling – you may have fear of touching them, because you sense they’ll explode with really destructive energy – great majority of compensated cases are VERY INHIBITED & CLOSED re family, emotions. Has EXPLOSIVE REACTIONS but feels it’s a FRACTION of what he could do – not an explosive discharge of energy where everything is fine afterward, but the exploding of a pot that must immediately be capped to prevent another explosion. When those emotions cannot be controlled anymore, this is start of decompensation – they reach limit of what they can keep in >> explosion – but it’s never satisfying & they don’t get rid of this stuff. VIOLENCE is a DESPAIR REACTION, a sudden outburst when facing difficult moment of suffering & feels cannot do anything else. When Bell. is compensated, you see endeavors where they are allowed to discharge violence within circumscribed rules: EXTREME SPORTS or sports with violence, like football. In Hx of Solanaceae Px often there is SEVERE LACK OF AFFECTION from their family (even in Caps., Dulc., Tab. const’l cases). The sense of affection is missing in very primary way: these Pxs usually feel that whatever they needed was denied by parents – they have this feeling from early on. They react to this lack of affection (or perceived lack of affection) with tremendous ANGER (whereas Magnesiums are resigned).
There’s much more, but for that I suggest his book on the Solanaceae. As I recall, Belladonna feels the deprivation of affection was deliberate, ergo unforgivable, which makes them all the angrier.

Peace,
Dale