Neck disc subluxation, unable to work due to two slipped discs compressing the middle one. Heliodrillus in LM potency & tarentula 30c for the almost stenosis type sx of numb finger tips. . Both aqueous dilutions.
Pt is functional and returning to a normal lifestyle.
Pain is very manageable.
If he stops the remedy the pain returns but go away quickly when resuming the remedy.
He is scheduled for a full intake. I have cautioned about overdoing. Activity. ,
Here are my questions.
While the remedy removes the pain does he increase the likelihood of further injury. Or disc slippage? I want to give symphytum. & bone soup so all the nutrients are there for repair.
Is it repairable? Will the body just accommodate or will it strengthen the area around the physical location.
Surgical repair has been suggested, patient does not want to go that route.
Anyone have experience you can share?
Need your thoughts
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Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD
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Re: Need your thoughts
Huh???
Discs do not "slip", they herniate with compression in the direction of the bulge.
How can 2 "slipped" discs compress a middle one, when there is a bony structure, the vertebrae, between each disc???
Return of pain means the treatment is analgesic only, a painkiller; depending of what the problem is, exertion or activity might well aggravate the situation as pain is a signal of a problem, if the signal is muted, then further damage can happen.
Has he had a CT/MRI/X Ray and what does it show? What level is the "subluxation"? Bony component? What is the cause of the problem?
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
www.naturamedica.co.nz
Discs do not "slip", they herniate with compression in the direction of the bulge.
How can 2 "slipped" discs compress a middle one, when there is a bony structure, the vertebrae, between each disc???
Return of pain means the treatment is analgesic only, a painkiller; depending of what the problem is, exertion or activity might well aggravate the situation as pain is a signal of a problem, if the signal is muted, then further damage can happen.
Has he had a CT/MRI/X Ray and what does it show? What level is the "subluxation"? Bony component? What is the cause of the problem?
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
www.naturamedica.co.nz
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Ellen Madono
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Re: Need your thoughts
I would suggest joint flexibility exercises in places far from the neck. Fingers, wrists, lower body. Leave out the shoulders and elbows and upper back until those areas feel better. Do circular exercises, not linear ones. Go slow. A little at a time.
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Maria Bohle
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Re: Need your thoughts
Patient does have X-rays, I have not seen them, he is going to bring them. Have used his words for what he says is happening. Meant to try to give him some relief before taking the full case.
He is a mechanic and was working and says he felt something ‘slip’ got an electric current feeling and went down off his feet. So it came on quickly.
Pain ever since that, even now if he sneezes or overdoes it.
I don’t want a ticking time bomb here.
I do have a cervical stenosis case that was helped by tarentula that appeared to have cured it despite an unchanged physical constriction. That person was able to stop the remedy.
Ellen this patient articulated his head with his job. Could the flow movementsbhelp him I wonder?
He is a mechanic and was working and says he felt something ‘slip’ got an electric current feeling and went down off his feet. So it came on quickly.
Pain ever since that, even now if he sneezes or overdoes it.
I don’t want a ticking time bomb here.
I do have a cervical stenosis case that was helped by tarentula that appeared to have cured it despite an unchanged physical constriction. That person was able to stop the remedy.
Ellen this patient articulated his head with his job. Could the flow movementsbhelp him I wonder?
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Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD
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Re: Need your thoughts
That sounds like a cervical disc hernia, very different form a cervical stenosis: this stenosis is a fixed lesion, where every minimal amount of space gained is an improvement.
With a herniated disc is a very mobile area like the neck, the risk is that the hernia aggravates, especially if he returns to work in contorsionated positions with sudden compression of the spinal cord and paralysis. If he were my patient I would immobilise his neck in a brace while treating him.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
www.naturamedica.co.nz
With a herniated disc is a very mobile area like the neck, the risk is that the hernia aggravates, especially if he returns to work in contorsionated positions with sudden compression of the spinal cord and paralysis. If he were my patient I would immobilise his neck in a brace while treating him.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
www.naturamedica.co.nz
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Ellen Madono
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Re: Need your thoughts
Dear Maria,
I think that suggesting exercises depends on the kind of person he is. If he is a mechanic who likes to figure out how the structure works, and he can be persuaded that the body has a structure that he can "engineer", then you can get him doing the flow exercises. He needs to understand some basic principles.
Scott Sonnon has a book and videoes aimed at soldiers, firefighters, and police who are aging and need rehabilitation. Apparently, he was hired to go around the country promoting this program with them. It is aimed at the hard working person and it is possible that your client fits a similar mindset. I think that this is the free website. http://www.agelessmobility.com/
Seems like so much hype, but it is the American way and it must appeal. All the basic stuff is on youtube. I will copy what I harvested from browsing through Youtube. But, it is there in plentiful supply. I had to watch a youtube to figure out how to use youtube. Dahhh
Scott talks about starting far from the area of pain as the way he got from lying flat unable to move after a weightlifting competition in Russia. The Olympic" doctor got him moving his fingers wrists elbows.. Far from the lower lumbar. You have to understand the anatomical logic of that to go with it. After all, who wants to spend time exercising every day if it does not make sense. There are a bunch of PDF files online about Anatomy Trains by Thomas Myers online. Highly recommended reading for anyone interested in bodywork.
Your entire body is connected. Everyone knows that, but we are not taught to treat our body as if the parts were the whole. The reasoning is simple. Thomas Myers wrote a book called Anatomy Trains. In that book, he describes the result of research that he did on the myofascial coverings of the muscles. He very carefully dissected cadavers checking the connections between the myofascial coverings of the muscles throughout the body. He documented the pathways that these myofascial "Trains" follow. To no one's surprise, these pathways approximate the pathways of the Chinese Meridian system and the system that's used in Thai massage. That is why it makes sense to start far from the injury and work your way toward it. That is common sense, but people who are object-oriented, want to work on the "problem". They cannot understand that they are working on the problem when they are far from it. I think a picture of the myofascial connections would help.
This PDF has most of the basic pictures that are in the expensive book. https://www.anatomytrains.com/hnts/fatatw/2.pdf
The other issue is why circular? I can tell you that all of the motions used to throw a heavy Aikido player clear across the room before landing are based on Circular motion. The pistons in an engine work on circular motion. Think of a windmill, washing machine, gear.... And the actual joints which are the focus of exercise are moving in circles. We were taught to move in straight lines. But if you want to throw a big guy across the room and you are a frail little old lady, you have no hope with straight line motion. All the martial arts are based on subtle circles. You may not be able to see it with the untrained eye, but trust me, the joints move in circles and all the throws are circular.
Of course, joint mobility as rehab requires that basic circular movement. For kicks, I tried the Chiropractic type Youtube exercises for my problem. I went to bed sore and in no less pain. The Doctor's rehab motion assumes linear motion because A to B is easy to teach. Really it is not easy or natural so there are all kinds of warnings about doing it wrong. Not so with a circular motion. Keep the motion comfortable, well within range and repeat. No dire warnings about doing it wrong. Just stay away from the painful area until it begins to respond to the distant stimulus. The next morning I did my circular exercises and I was back to moving. Whew!!! You know that distant exercise is working because the pain decreases and you can move more easily.
Blessings,
Ellen Madono
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Why intu-flow. Watch both videos for a full introduction of the reasoning behind joint mobility.
More advanced flow
Beginning exercises. Stop the video to try out the exercise. On a mac, use the space bar.
Neck and shoulder intu-flow Hold a chair arm or table to prevent your shoulders from rising.
Arms Intu-flow Note that he uses his whole torso to move the arm.
Hips Intu-flow
On the mat
There are lots of other teachers out there, but these are the one’s who helped me with the general concept.
The Pattern of movement explained
Comparison with body building
Tips on how to practice
Other beginner tips by Scott
For people limited to sitting a 3 part series
A free booklet for rehabilitation. Mostly the same as the above videos
Intermediate (When I was beginning, it helped me to look a head so I could see where I was going. Also, in many cases, I could do this intermediate stuff and it was more entertaining. Fun is important.)
Intermediate part 1 mobility Neck
Intermediate Wrists
Intermediate spine
4 corner balance
5 joint mobility
6 joint mobility on the mat
More talk about how to work out in this series and some moves.
I think that suggesting exercises depends on the kind of person he is. If he is a mechanic who likes to figure out how the structure works, and he can be persuaded that the body has a structure that he can "engineer", then you can get him doing the flow exercises. He needs to understand some basic principles.
Scott Sonnon has a book and videoes aimed at soldiers, firefighters, and police who are aging and need rehabilitation. Apparently, he was hired to go around the country promoting this program with them. It is aimed at the hard working person and it is possible that your client fits a similar mindset. I think that this is the free website. http://www.agelessmobility.com/
Seems like so much hype, but it is the American way and it must appeal. All the basic stuff is on youtube. I will copy what I harvested from browsing through Youtube. But, it is there in plentiful supply. I had to watch a youtube to figure out how to use youtube. Dahhh
Scott talks about starting far from the area of pain as the way he got from lying flat unable to move after a weightlifting competition in Russia. The Olympic" doctor got him moving his fingers wrists elbows.. Far from the lower lumbar. You have to understand the anatomical logic of that to go with it. After all, who wants to spend time exercising every day if it does not make sense. There are a bunch of PDF files online about Anatomy Trains by Thomas Myers online. Highly recommended reading for anyone interested in bodywork.
Your entire body is connected. Everyone knows that, but we are not taught to treat our body as if the parts were the whole. The reasoning is simple. Thomas Myers wrote a book called Anatomy Trains. In that book, he describes the result of research that he did on the myofascial coverings of the muscles. He very carefully dissected cadavers checking the connections between the myofascial coverings of the muscles throughout the body. He documented the pathways that these myofascial "Trains" follow. To no one's surprise, these pathways approximate the pathways of the Chinese Meridian system and the system that's used in Thai massage. That is why it makes sense to start far from the injury and work your way toward it. That is common sense, but people who are object-oriented, want to work on the "problem". They cannot understand that they are working on the problem when they are far from it. I think a picture of the myofascial connections would help.
This PDF has most of the basic pictures that are in the expensive book. https://www.anatomytrains.com/hnts/fatatw/2.pdf
The other issue is why circular? I can tell you that all of the motions used to throw a heavy Aikido player clear across the room before landing are based on Circular motion. The pistons in an engine work on circular motion. Think of a windmill, washing machine, gear.... And the actual joints which are the focus of exercise are moving in circles. We were taught to move in straight lines. But if you want to throw a big guy across the room and you are a frail little old lady, you have no hope with straight line motion. All the martial arts are based on subtle circles. You may not be able to see it with the untrained eye, but trust me, the joints move in circles and all the throws are circular.
Of course, joint mobility as rehab requires that basic circular movement. For kicks, I tried the Chiropractic type Youtube exercises for my problem. I went to bed sore and in no less pain. The Doctor's rehab motion assumes linear motion because A to B is easy to teach. Really it is not easy or natural so there are all kinds of warnings about doing it wrong. Not so with a circular motion. Keep the motion comfortable, well within range and repeat. No dire warnings about doing it wrong. Just stay away from the painful area until it begins to respond to the distant stimulus. The next morning I did my circular exercises and I was back to moving. Whew!!! You know that distant exercise is working because the pain decreases and you can move more easily.
Blessings,
Ellen Madono
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Why intu-flow. Watch both videos for a full introduction of the reasoning behind joint mobility.
More advanced flow
Beginning exercises. Stop the video to try out the exercise. On a mac, use the space bar.
Neck and shoulder intu-flow Hold a chair arm or table to prevent your shoulders from rising.
Arms Intu-flow Note that he uses his whole torso to move the arm.
Hips Intu-flow
On the mat
There are lots of other teachers out there, but these are the one’s who helped me with the general concept.
The Pattern of movement explained
Comparison with body building
Tips on how to practice
Other beginner tips by Scott
For people limited to sitting a 3 part series
A free booklet for rehabilitation. Mostly the same as the above videos
Intermediate (When I was beginning, it helped me to look a head so I could see where I was going. Also, in many cases, I could do this intermediate stuff and it was more entertaining. Fun is important.)
Intermediate part 1 mobility Neck
Intermediate Wrists
Intermediate spine
4 corner balance
5 joint mobility
6 joint mobility on the mat
More talk about how to work out in this series and some moves.