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Elham Mohajer
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Re: autistic heightened visual perception

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They may not be hallucinations but this medicine has this kind of symptom


Shannon Nelson
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Hi Ellen,

I’m not sure I’ve seen everything in the thread, but—what is the “auditory hyperperception”, did you describe that somewhere?

And also, what exactly is his “heightened visual ability”, and what is his “misperception” which may also be referred to as “hallucination”? You must have described all of these, but I’m not finding them. ?

Interesting--thanks!
Shannon


Leilanae
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Re: autistic heightened visual perception

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Hi Ellen,

From Complete:
MIND; SPEED, desire for: aur-s cath-a diox herin lac-lup pass-d

Atb,

Leilanae


Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD
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Re: autistic heightened visual perception

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Yes absolutely! I have had a few (no many) patients who did not have any reaction until the 233C...if nothing is working, either the remedy is incorrect or there are strong unseen obstacles to cure that need to be removed.

Joe.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

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Leilanae
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Re: autistic heightened visual perception

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PS:

I remembered seeing some youtubes about autistic artists. Here's one:

"The Human Camers (Autism Documentary) Real Stories:

Atb,

Leilanae


Ellen Madono
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Re: autistic heightened visual perception

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Hi Shannon,

The auditory hypersensitivity tests involved autistic spectrum persons who could hear the grunting of a gorilla within some other context. I forget what it was. Maybe a restaurant scene. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... via%3Dihub is where I saw it. Thus, the autistic child will be labeled a poor learner because unexpected sounds will be heard whereas the ordinary person will filter them out.
(I remember probably 20 years ago reading about a tribe in the Brazilian jungle who had never seen films. They were shown 8-millimeter films and were totally confused by the individual pictures that passed by them. They saw each picture as a single frame. We have been trained to see them as a flow. Something like a deer was added to the flow of pictures. They all saw the deer in one frame. Modern people missed the deer.) What I am trying to say by this example is we are trained to perceive the world in a certain way. If an autistic spectrum person perceives differently, of course, he is ill.
I gave him Apis for physical reasons (modality, short tongue, swallowing...) I later found out that bees see by identifying patterns. From their compound eyes, they see individual "photos" and their brains put together the many perspectives. Apis is not working, his mom says, but I have not seen him yet, so I don't know.
I actually do not know what my patient is seeing. He can't talk very well. Not much interest in strangers, but also he can't talk to even his mom. He wants to watch videos repeatedly. I didn't ask about fast forwarding them. But his mom tries to read to him and he mimics with garble. Apparently, he is hearing her very fast. So if she slows down her reading, then he is able to repeat back at normal speed and you can understand when he is saying. The love of spinning and going fast watching the scenery somehow feel connected in his misperception in hearing.

This does not connect to the speed issue, but he can also instantaneously memorize the back of a puzzle that has only numbers on the back of each piece. He can't read or do arithmetic so the numbers are not meaningful in our sense of meaning. He puts the pieces back together starting from the middle of the puzzle and does it very easily.

Hope that helps Shannon.

Best,
Ellen


Ellen Madono
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Re: autistic heightened visual perception

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Hi Leianae,

Yes, astounding visual memory.

Have you ever read Oliver Sacks? He is a kind of psychological anthropologist. The video about Steven is all very happy, but many of these people suffer terribly. Dr. Sackes could describe not just their misperceptions (or different from the norm), but also the suffering. His writing is very moving.

Also, your rubric hint about "desires Speed" was very good. I was not able to look up all of the remedies, but most were drugs. "hallucinations" One, Lac-lup, caught my attention. It is not a drug of course. But, Nancy Hendricks describes how the Beta wolf is attacked by the Alpha wolf. He pees on himself and cowers. My patient is the second son. This boy has nothing to cower from, but his mother describes how he pees all over the bathroom and she can't get him to hold on to his penis at 11 years old. He hates and fears family conflict. Perhaps similar. But, I would have to match up the whole case. The loving wolf family is also similar to his.

I have never done this before, but I wonder if it would work to just give a remedy mainly for the mental symptoms in high potency and then go to the real remedy that covers the case. Probably would not work.

The mother of the boy works so hard with him. Her entire life is occupied by caring for him. I wish I could give her some relief.

Best,
Ellen Madono


Shannon Nelson
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Re: autistic heightened visual perception

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Hi Ellen,

You wrote: " I wonder if it would work to just give a remedy mainly for the mental symptoms in high potency and then go to the real remedy that covers the case.” My thoughts--
This mental picture seems (to me) so distinctive, I would think that if you find a close match to it in a remedy, that could be justification to try it. There are several “very interesting” remedies whose pictures have been illuminated largely through clinical results, where the remedy (usually a “small” one) was given based on limited information, but surprisingly turned out to unlock the entire case. There’s a beautiful article in one of the old IFH books about Thiosinamin, and another about Berberis. I wish I could remember more specifics, but both of these are fascinating articles! And beautiful examples of the power of clinical results.
So, if you give a “one-side” prescription (e.g. based on match of mental symptoms only), don’t assume you’ll be moving on to a different remedy, and even more so, don’t make assumptions about what that remedy might be; just give it the first remedy sufficient time to act, watch the response patiently, wait for the picture to stabilize, and proceed from there!
Shannon


Shannon Nelson
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Re: autistic heightened visual perception

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Oh, also—have you taken the mother’s case, and explored whether it could help to fill in or refine or illuminate the child’s?


Ellen Madono
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Re: autistic heightened visual perception

Post by Ellen Madono »

Hi Shannon,

I have read the kinds of reports that you mention. Thanks.
I am very wedded to full coverage of the case if possible. But if this poor mother had a chance to just catch her breath, it seems worth a try. I will look into it more.

Best,
Ellen


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