Of course you are correct in your assessment; however, you've
shifted the issue from the individual to the group. Though I
believe that your analysis is absolutely correct.
As with an individual sometimes allopathic Tx finds appropriate
application either with or separate from our medicines. If you find
agreement with that assumption then the peeling of the social onion
may find benefit by Tx of the soma and perhaps a simultaneous Tx
with our medicine of a high potency as in LM
RE: [Minutus] Addiction
Date:
Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:45:39 -0400
From:
"petsfriend"
Reply-To:
minutus@yahoogroups.com
To:
I just felt like adding my 2 cents to the discussion on addiction,
after
watching the thread for awhile. To me, addiction is just like
anyother
allopathic drugging. It is an individual's attempt to suppress
"pain" of
some sort. As with any allopathic suppression, the pain returns when
the
drug wears off and over time a greater amount of drug is needed to
get the
same results. It seems to me that the VF is reacting just as a
homeopath
would expect. In its attempt to defend itself, it reduces its
susceptibility
to the substance, yet the "disease" which originally produced the
pain is
still there and now more drug is needed to eliminate it. Providing
free
needles, etc. would be assisting the suppression and would only be a
short
term solution as with any suppressive therapy. The long term
aggravation
would be very dangerous to the survival of the society. Thinking
holistically requires taking the society of which an individual is
part as
one would look at the whole person and not just their eczema. The
only long
term "cure" for drug addiction on a societal level is to treat the
root
cause. Now, we need to find a way to do that without suppressive
government
programs like socialism, which is more allopathy/antipathy. We must
remove
obstacles to cure and find a method of "social homeopathy". Of
course, there
would be an aggravation, but in the long run, it would be the way to
go.
This, is all of course, just my personal opinion. Yet, it is
consistent, I
believe, with the homeopathic philosophy.
Russell Swift, DVM
Classical Homeopath
phone 561-391-5615
email drswift@therightremedy.com
www.therightremedy.com
addiction
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isali ben-jacob
- Posts: 122
- Joined: Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:00 pm
Re: addiction
I would suggest a slite shift in view to allow for the possibility
that there is much activity going on while observing these 'flashy
results' on the screen. There is no requirement for observable
actions to appreciate the underlying actions ongoing all the time.
Your reference is prejudiced to the requirement of an identifiable
productive act.
The original issue raised was not as to usefulness or benefit--which
are expressions of judgement, it was to address the issue of the
energetics of addiction.
I think you're quite right that the thing *is* intrinsically
fascinating,
seductive. I read an interesting book re TV titled, "The Plug-In
Drug" --
which now is *exactly* how I think of it!!!!! It's *very* drug-like
--
flashy results without the need to actually *do* anything (or cure
anything,
or solve anything, or learn anything, or achieve anything).
It's true, again as you say, that it can indeed perform very useful
functions, and some people do use it appropriately (or even --
wonder of
wonders! -- not at all). Same can be said of coffee, ciggies,
marijuana,
anaesthetics, etc. The question, then, becomes a "risk/benefit"
analysis,
and being able to evaluate for whom the benefit is apt to be greater
(and
when, why, for how long), and for whom the risk or cost is greater.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
that there is much activity going on while observing these 'flashy
results' on the screen. There is no requirement for observable
actions to appreciate the underlying actions ongoing all the time.
Your reference is prejudiced to the requirement of an identifiable
productive act.
The original issue raised was not as to usefulness or benefit--which
are expressions of judgement, it was to address the issue of the
energetics of addiction.
I think you're quite right that the thing *is* intrinsically
fascinating,
seductive. I read an interesting book re TV titled, "The Plug-In
Drug" --
which now is *exactly* how I think of it!!!!! It's *very* drug-like
--
flashy results without the need to actually *do* anything (or cure
anything,
or solve anything, or learn anything, or achieve anything).
It's true, again as you say, that it can indeed perform very useful
functions, and some people do use it appropriately (or even --
wonder of
wonders! -- not at all). Same can be said of coffee, ciggies,
marijuana,
anaesthetics, etc. The question, then, becomes a "risk/benefit"
analysis,
and being able to evaluate for whom the benefit is apt to be greater
(and
when, why, for how long), and for whom the risk or cost is greater.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
-
Shannon Nelson
- Posts: 8848
- Joined: Fri Jun 28, 2002 10:00 pm
Re: addiction
Agreed, usefulness or not wasn't exactly the point -- altho part of what I
believe to be a *definition* of addiction, vs. actual need, is that the
addictive stimulus is seen as needed, when in fact it is damaging.
on 9/7/02 12:44 PM, isali ben-jacob at isali@bellsouth.net wrote:
I quite understand that. My reason for think it's a problem, and an
"addiction" rather than truly useful (to the "addict", at any rate) is that
(a) afterwards you feel worse, and (b) it takes the place of things which
*are* actually needed, just as drugs can begin to take the place of food,
sleep, relationships, etc.
No. And I even acknowledge there can be benefit too -- my son has learned a
*lot* from computer and TV. But I've come to feel that the price has been
too high, damaging at levels of equal or greater importance than his
intellect.
Thanks,
Shannon
believe to be a *definition* of addiction, vs. actual need, is that the
addictive stimulus is seen as needed, when in fact it is damaging.
on 9/7/02 12:44 PM, isali ben-jacob at isali@bellsouth.net wrote:
I quite understand that. My reason for think it's a problem, and an
"addiction" rather than truly useful (to the "addict", at any rate) is that
(a) afterwards you feel worse, and (b) it takes the place of things which
*are* actually needed, just as drugs can begin to take the place of food,
sleep, relationships, etc.
No. And I even acknowledge there can be benefit too -- my son has learned a
*lot* from computer and TV. But I've come to feel that the price has been
too high, damaging at levels of equal or greater importance than his
intellect.
Thanks,
Shannon
-
J van der Linden
- Posts: 13
- Joined: Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:09 pm
Re: addiction
Russell wrote;
Subject: RE: Addiction
I just felt like adding my 2 cents to the discussion on addiction, after
watching the thread for awhile. To me, addiction is just like anyother
allopathic drugging. It is an individual's attempt to suppress "pain" of
some sort. As with any allopathic suppression, the pain returns when the
drug wears off and over time a greater amount of drug is needed to get the
same results. It seems to me that the VF is reacting just as a homeopath
would expect. In its attempt to defend itself, it reduces its susceptibility
to the substance, yet the "disease" which originally produced the pain is
still there and now more drug is needed to eliminate it. Providing free
needles, etc. would be assisting the suppression and would only be a short
term solution as with any suppressive therapy. The long term aggravation
would be very dangerous to the survival of the society. Thinking
holistically requires taking the society of which an individual is part as
one would look at the whole person and not just their eczema. The only long
term "cure" for drug addiction on a societal level is to treat the root
cause. Now, we need to find a way to do that without suppressive government
programs like socialism, which is more allopathy/antipathy. We must remove
obstacles to cure and find a method of "social homeopathy". Of course, there
would be an aggravation, but in the long run, it would be the way to go.
This, is all of course, just my personal opinion. Yet, it is consistent, I
believe, with the homeopathic philosophy.
Russell Swift, DVM
OKAY, THIS LOOKS LIKE A NICE CHALLENGE:
Lets see if we can come up with an Anamnese for the society as a whole
from there we might be able to find a similium. Would that baffle our minds !!!!!!
ANYBODY ???
Greetings from holland, j van der linden
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Subject: RE: Addiction
I just felt like adding my 2 cents to the discussion on addiction, after
watching the thread for awhile. To me, addiction is just like anyother
allopathic drugging. It is an individual's attempt to suppress "pain" of
some sort. As with any allopathic suppression, the pain returns when the
drug wears off and over time a greater amount of drug is needed to get the
same results. It seems to me that the VF is reacting just as a homeopath
would expect. In its attempt to defend itself, it reduces its susceptibility
to the substance, yet the "disease" which originally produced the pain is
still there and now more drug is needed to eliminate it. Providing free
needles, etc. would be assisting the suppression and would only be a short
term solution as with any suppressive therapy. The long term aggravation
would be very dangerous to the survival of the society. Thinking
holistically requires taking the society of which an individual is part as
one would look at the whole person and not just their eczema. The only long
term "cure" for drug addiction on a societal level is to treat the root
cause. Now, we need to find a way to do that without suppressive government
programs like socialism, which is more allopathy/antipathy. We must remove
obstacles to cure and find a method of "social homeopathy". Of course, there
would be an aggravation, but in the long run, it would be the way to go.
This, is all of course, just my personal opinion. Yet, it is consistent, I
believe, with the homeopathic philosophy.
Russell Swift, DVM
OKAY, THIS LOOKS LIKE A NICE CHALLENGE:
Lets see if we can come up with an Anamnese for the society as a whole
from there we might be able to find a similium. Would that baffle our minds !!!!!!
ANYBODY ???
Greetings from holland, j van der linden
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
-
J van der Linden
- Posts: 13
- Joined: Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:09 pm
Re: addiction
Tanya said:
From: "tanya marquette"
Subject: Re: Addiction
Dear Russell,
First, I hope your last comment was an error. Jefferson et al DID make
this a democracy, altho it is quite questionable today that this is what
exists in the US.
Second, after criticizing my comments and perspective, where are you
coming from then asking what I meant. I guess you didnt understand
anything I said.
Third, being somewhat of an authority on the issue of prejudice, I am
quite aware of the difference between prejudice and bias.
Fourth, what are you talking about with 'rights' and 'wrongs'? Whose
rights and wrongs!
Fifth, the most extraordinary pathology in the US is the philosophical
belief in individualism. To define for you, this is not about
individuality.
It is the belief that the only thing important is the individual. I dont
know of any society that isnt based on the concept that people need to
ban together for mutual survival. Governments are created to manage
political business of the group. Implicit in this is the reality that the
individual profits by being part of the group which in turn demands that
the individual has some responsibility toward the group. How the government
is defined and how it operates is up for grabs. It is usually formed out of
the economic institutions' needs. As a matter of fact all societal
institutions
are formed and developed to meet the needs of the economic institution since
that
is the one that keeps the group alive.
In you comments you seem to think that socialism is repressive and that
people under socialism are deficient in some manner, not being responsible
and just taking hand-outs as i believe you put it. That is your prejudice
operating. Socialism has never been allowed to develop in our modern
western world because it runs counter to the greed of capitalism. And
capitalism
breeds individualism in the extreme which isolates people from each other
and
destroys communities. We can discuss this further privately.
Your comment about dedifferentiating people and creating a homogenous
whole feels a bit paranoid to me. I would wonder about any teacher of
homeopathy expounding on politics as an authority (something I encountered
many times, always with distaste). I have little patience for people who
sell themselves as teachers of one subject, using that role as a bully
pulpit
for their politics. I find that to be disingenuous and usually something to
be
questioned. As to the comment itself, it makes me wonder what that person
really knew and what they were afraid of. I find people have great
similarities which
is the very reason why we can understand other people at all. The
differences are
often not very great. In homeopathy we may focus on the differences, but it
is
similarities that allow us to practice.
And I too will not comment on this list either about these particular ideas,
but will be happy tocommunicate privately.
RESPONS:
Well Tanya, first getting rid of the chip on your shoiulder on Minutus and then writing that you will not persue the matter further on Minutus is really a cop out. The discussion about this subject was going fine untill your comments. Too bad.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
From: "tanya marquette"
Subject: Re: Addiction
Dear Russell,
First, I hope your last comment was an error. Jefferson et al DID make
this a democracy, altho it is quite questionable today that this is what
exists in the US.
Second, after criticizing my comments and perspective, where are you
coming from then asking what I meant. I guess you didnt understand
anything I said.
Third, being somewhat of an authority on the issue of prejudice, I am
quite aware of the difference between prejudice and bias.
Fourth, what are you talking about with 'rights' and 'wrongs'? Whose
rights and wrongs!
Fifth, the most extraordinary pathology in the US is the philosophical
belief in individualism. To define for you, this is not about
individuality.
It is the belief that the only thing important is the individual. I dont
know of any society that isnt based on the concept that people need to
ban together for mutual survival. Governments are created to manage
political business of the group. Implicit in this is the reality that the
individual profits by being part of the group which in turn demands that
the individual has some responsibility toward the group. How the government
is defined and how it operates is up for grabs. It is usually formed out of
the economic institutions' needs. As a matter of fact all societal
institutions
are formed and developed to meet the needs of the economic institution since
that
is the one that keeps the group alive.
In you comments you seem to think that socialism is repressive and that
people under socialism are deficient in some manner, not being responsible
and just taking hand-outs as i believe you put it. That is your prejudice
operating. Socialism has never been allowed to develop in our modern
western world because it runs counter to the greed of capitalism. And
capitalism
breeds individualism in the extreme which isolates people from each other
and
destroys communities. We can discuss this further privately.
Your comment about dedifferentiating people and creating a homogenous
whole feels a bit paranoid to me. I would wonder about any teacher of
homeopathy expounding on politics as an authority (something I encountered
many times, always with distaste). I have little patience for people who
sell themselves as teachers of one subject, using that role as a bully
pulpit
for their politics. I find that to be disingenuous and usually something to
be
questioned. As to the comment itself, it makes me wonder what that person
really knew and what they were afraid of. I find people have great
similarities which
is the very reason why we can understand other people at all. The
differences are
often not very great. In homeopathy we may focus on the differences, but it
is
similarities that allow us to practice.
And I too will not comment on this list either about these particular ideas,
but will be happy tocommunicate privately.
RESPONS:
Well Tanya, first getting rid of the chip on your shoiulder on Minutus and then writing that you will not persue the matter further on Minutus is really a cop out. The discussion about this subject was going fine untill your comments. Too bad.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
-
Tanya Marquette
- Posts: 5602
- Joined: Tue Oct 30, 2001 11:00 pm
Re: addiction
if you had read russell's previous note to me, you would have noted his 'cop out.'
he first criticized me and then cut the conversation off by saying he would not
write anymore about this. my response to him was simply an in-kind answer and
that last comment of mine was done a little tongue-in-cheek.
further, i am sorry you think i have a chip on my shoulder. the conversation
actually began with another person writing something that implied prejudice
and seemed to end with russell's prejudicial comments. so, is it okay to be
prejudiced if you sound academic enough? or maybe you need to be of a
certain group to be allowed your prejudice? is that what you are saying?
and it is true, that i have a lot of expertise in dealing with prejudice. that IS
one of the things i do in life. i dont think i have a chip on my should at all, but
i can be a bit pointed in my expression. i am sorry if that bothers you: prejudice
bothers me.
tanya
From: J van der Linden
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 7:24 AM
Subject: [Minutus] addiction
Tanya said:
From: "tanya marquette"
Subject: Re: Addiction
Dear Russell,
First, I hope your last comment was an error. Jefferson et al DID make
this a democracy, altho it is quite questionable today that this is what
exists in the US.
Second, after criticizing my comments and perspective, where are you
coming from then asking what I meant. I guess you didnt understand
anything I said.
Third, being somewhat of an authority on the issue of prejudice, I am
quite aware of the difference between prejudice and bias.
Fourth, what are you talking about with 'rights' and 'wrongs'? Whose
rights and wrongs!
Fifth, the most extraordinary pathology in the US is the philosophical
belief in individualism. To define for you, this is not about
individuality.
It is the belief that the only thing important is the individual. I dont
know of any society that isnt based on the concept that people need to
ban together for mutual survival. Governments are created to manage
political business of the group. Implicit in this is the reality that the
individual profits by being part of the group which in turn demands that
the individual has some responsibility toward the group. How the government
is defined and how it operates is up for grabs. It is usually formed out of
the economic institutions' needs. As a matter of fact all societal
institutions
are formed and developed to meet the needs of the economic institution since
that
is the one that keeps the group alive.
In you comments you seem to think that socialism is repressive and that
people under socialism are deficient in some manner, not being responsible
and just taking hand-outs as i believe you put it. That is your prejudice
operating. Socialism has never been allowed to develop in our modern
western world because it runs counter to the greed of capitalism. And
capitalism
breeds individualism in the extreme which isolates people from each other
and
destroys communities. We can discuss this further privately.
Your comment about dedifferentiating people and creating a homogenous
whole feels a bit paranoid to me. I would wonder about any teacher of
homeopathy expounding on politics as an authority (something I encountered
many times, always with distaste). I have little patience for people who
sell themselves as teachers of one subject, using that role as a bully
pulpit
for their politics. I find that to be disingenuous and usually something to
be
questioned. As to the comment itself, it makes me wonder what that person
really knew and what they were afraid of. I find people have great
similarities which
is the very reason why we can understand other people at all. The
differences are
often not very great. In homeopathy we may focus on the differences, but it
is
similarities that allow us to practice.
And I too will not comment on this list either about these particular ideas,
but will be happy tocommunicate privately.
RESPONS:
Well Tanya, first getting rid of the chip on your shoiulder on Minutus and then writing that you will not persue the matter further on Minutus is really a cop out. The discussion about this subject was going fine untill your comments. Too bad.
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he first criticized me and then cut the conversation off by saying he would not
write anymore about this. my response to him was simply an in-kind answer and
that last comment of mine was done a little tongue-in-cheek.
further, i am sorry you think i have a chip on my shoulder. the conversation
actually began with another person writing something that implied prejudice
and seemed to end with russell's prejudicial comments. so, is it okay to be
prejudiced if you sound academic enough? or maybe you need to be of a
certain group to be allowed your prejudice? is that what you are saying?
and it is true, that i have a lot of expertise in dealing with prejudice. that IS
one of the things i do in life. i dont think i have a chip on my should at all, but
i can be a bit pointed in my expression. i am sorry if that bothers you: prejudice
bothers me.
tanya
From: J van der Linden
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 7:24 AM
Subject: [Minutus] addiction
Tanya said:
From: "tanya marquette"
Subject: Re: Addiction
Dear Russell,
First, I hope your last comment was an error. Jefferson et al DID make
this a democracy, altho it is quite questionable today that this is what
exists in the US.
Second, after criticizing my comments and perspective, where are you
coming from then asking what I meant. I guess you didnt understand
anything I said.
Third, being somewhat of an authority on the issue of prejudice, I am
quite aware of the difference between prejudice and bias.
Fourth, what are you talking about with 'rights' and 'wrongs'? Whose
rights and wrongs!
Fifth, the most extraordinary pathology in the US is the philosophical
belief in individualism. To define for you, this is not about
individuality.
It is the belief that the only thing important is the individual. I dont
know of any society that isnt based on the concept that people need to
ban together for mutual survival. Governments are created to manage
political business of the group. Implicit in this is the reality that the
individual profits by being part of the group which in turn demands that
the individual has some responsibility toward the group. How the government
is defined and how it operates is up for grabs. It is usually formed out of
the economic institutions' needs. As a matter of fact all societal
institutions
are formed and developed to meet the needs of the economic institution since
that
is the one that keeps the group alive.
In you comments you seem to think that socialism is repressive and that
people under socialism are deficient in some manner, not being responsible
and just taking hand-outs as i believe you put it. That is your prejudice
operating. Socialism has never been allowed to develop in our modern
western world because it runs counter to the greed of capitalism. And
capitalism
breeds individualism in the extreme which isolates people from each other
and
destroys communities. We can discuss this further privately.
Your comment about dedifferentiating people and creating a homogenous
whole feels a bit paranoid to me. I would wonder about any teacher of
homeopathy expounding on politics as an authority (something I encountered
many times, always with distaste). I have little patience for people who
sell themselves as teachers of one subject, using that role as a bully
pulpit
for their politics. I find that to be disingenuous and usually something to
be
questioned. As to the comment itself, it makes me wonder what that person
really knew and what they were afraid of. I find people have great
similarities which
is the very reason why we can understand other people at all. The
differences are
often not very great. In homeopathy we may focus on the differences, but it
is
similarities that allow us to practice.
And I too will not comment on this list either about these particular ideas,
but will be happy tocommunicate privately.
RESPONS:
Well Tanya, first getting rid of the chip on your shoiulder on Minutus and then writing that you will not persue the matter further on Minutus is really a cop out. The discussion about this subject was going fine untill your comments. Too bad.
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