Hello, all,
I have not had the opportunity to post here, again, in quite a long time. Indeed, homeoprophylaxis has been keeping me very busy-- which actually ties in with what I wanted to present to all of you today.
The international conference for the promotion and education of "HP" last year went remarkably well. I, subsequently, have begun preparations for the next event, which will be taking place in Europe (the "official" announcement for this will be happening in a month or so. . . . .).
In working on this, I came into contact with the publisher of a magazine in Belgium who apparently at one point was very supportive of homeopathy. He, however, has since become quite convinced of the Placebo-- to be more specific, the Placebo and Nocebo effects. And he now completely writes off homeopathy-- and HP-- to the power of the mind with this effect. I asked him about the documentation of HP benefitting millions of people, and he would not even consider it. Even with homeopathy helping infants and animals-- he attributes this all to the power of the mind of the one administering the remedy/nosode.
Just this weekend, I, interestingly, had a short conversation with a woman who wants her husband well, but her husband seems quite clearly to have lost his desire to live-- even this woman doesn't know if anything can help him at this point. So I'm considering homeopathic options to help her, and him, at this transitory state in both of their lives.
I personally find the power of the mind fascinating beyond measure and will love to study this further. It is quite clear that
But this gentleman's quite closed-minded attitude, I feel, ended our conversation prematurely.
What are your thoughts here?
- Cathy
Be well!
- Cathy Lemmon, BA, CHP, D.Psc
List Owner, Homeopathy-and-SN
and HP Worldwide Choice
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Homeopathy and Placebo - the age-old Questions
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Cathy Lemmon
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Shannon Nelson
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Re: Homeopathy and Placebo - the age-old Questions
Hi Cathy,
Do you mean that the husband is closed-minded toward homeopathy, and so doesn't want to explore whether it might help him, or that he is closed-minded on the subject of helping himself (want to) live?
Shannon
Do you mean that the husband is closed-minded toward homeopathy, and so doesn't want to explore whether it might help him, or that he is closed-minded on the subject of helping himself (want to) live?
Shannon
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Cathy Lemmon
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Re: Homeopathy and Placebo - the age-old Questions
It seems the husband, who has had many medical problems building up, is simply getting tired. I've not personally met them-- only "chatted" briefly with the wife on an online health group, so our conversation was very limited. And this is the impression that she gave me, when I asked if she would be interested in consulting privately with me-- that she doesn't know if it would be "worth the investment".
The reason I mentioned this gentleman's situation, though, was to illustrate the power of the mind, in reference to the placebo effect and where this magazine publisher in Belgium was coming from. We all know how well homeopathy can help even in the direst circumstances. But, fundamentally if the person we would like to help does not have the desire to be well, nothing will ultimately help this to happen. The fellow in Belgium does not see homeopathy as having any more power except through the mind, either of the person/patient or the practitioner/person administering the remedy. In my opinion, it is actually this publisher who has the closed mind, as he is refusing to consider homeopathy for what it truly has proven to be.
Have you-- or anyone here on Minutus-- explored more into the power of the mind in healing? We well know the mental level is the deepest level to explore, as far as wellness and healing. And I've seen enough with homeopathy to know how profoundly well it works on all levels. I'd be very interested in knowing further thoughts on this.
Thanks.
- Cathy
Be well!
- Cathy Lemmon, BA, CHP, D.Psc
List Owner, Homeopathy-and-SN
and HP Worldwide Choice
(www.groups.yahoo.com )
Saupere Aude! (Wage zu wissen!)
(Dare to know!)
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Hi Cathy,
Do you mean that the husband is closed-minded toward homeopathy, and so doesn't want to explore whether it might help him, or that he is closed-minded on the subject of helping himself (want to) live?
Shannon
The reason I mentioned this gentleman's situation, though, was to illustrate the power of the mind, in reference to the placebo effect and where this magazine publisher in Belgium was coming from. We all know how well homeopathy can help even in the direst circumstances. But, fundamentally if the person we would like to help does not have the desire to be well, nothing will ultimately help this to happen. The fellow in Belgium does not see homeopathy as having any more power except through the mind, either of the person/patient or the practitioner/person administering the remedy. In my opinion, it is actually this publisher who has the closed mind, as he is refusing to consider homeopathy for what it truly has proven to be.
Have you-- or anyone here on Minutus-- explored more into the power of the mind in healing? We well know the mental level is the deepest level to explore, as far as wellness and healing. And I've seen enough with homeopathy to know how profoundly well it works on all levels. I'd be very interested in knowing further thoughts on this.
Thanks.
- Cathy
Be well!
- Cathy Lemmon, BA, CHP, D.Psc
List Owner, Homeopathy-and-SN
and HP Worldwide Choice
(www.groups.yahoo.com )
Saupere Aude! (Wage zu wissen!)
(Dare to know!)
---In minutus@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Hi Cathy,
Do you mean that the husband is closed-minded toward homeopathy, and so doesn't want to explore whether it might help him, or that he is closed-minded on the subject of helping himself (want to) live?
Shannon
Re: Homeopathy and Placebo - the age-old Questions
Hi Cathy,
Regarding the man who seems to have lost his desire to live, a first step would be to have an independent physician (i.e., one not in charge of his care) look closely at the meds he's taking. I ran into a similar situation with my uncle many years ago, and it turned out that the BP medication he was taking, Inderol, was making him depressed and other medications were acting at cross purposes.
On the power of the mind, you might take a look at my article, "The Princess Who Lost Her Castle," in the spring issue of Homeopathy Today. It deals with somatized emotions, that is, the way feelings can take root in the body as symptoms.
Peace,
Dale
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Regarding the man who seems to have lost his desire to live, a first step would be to have an independent physician (i.e., one not in charge of his care) look closely at the meds he's taking. I ran into a similar situation with my uncle many years ago, and it turned out that the BP medication he was taking, Inderol, was making him depressed and other medications were acting at cross purposes.
On the power of the mind, you might take a look at my article, "The Princess Who Lost Her Castle," in the spring issue of Homeopathy Today. It deals with somatized emotions, that is, the way feelings can take root in the body as symptoms.
Peace,
Dale
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Roger Barr
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Re: Homeopathy and Placebo - the age-old Questions
There are several distinctive differences between a placebo and a homeopathic remedy.
A homeopathic proving will _cause_ symptoms in a healthy person. A placebo will not. The constellation of symptoms caused - mental, physical and emotional - will be replicated in all provings of the same remedy. The results of Hahnemann's proving of Belladonna were replicated 100 years later by a "blind" group of provers and supervisors, who had no idea what was being proven.
The correct homeopathic remedy will cause an aggravation of the existing symptoms, if given in too strong an initial dose. No placebo will do that.
A homeopathic remedy will cause a long term cure (outlasting the dosing period) of chronic disease. A placebo only has temporary benefit, usually of only some of the symptoms like pain. There is a 200 year clinical history of success treating chronic disease with homeopathy, not for placebo.
A homeopathic remedy can be identified from placebo by the emf signal it has, as demonstrated by Jacques Benveniste, Nobel laureate Luc Montaigner, and all the labs that duplicated Benveniste's results .
Challenge your Belgian publisher to do a homeopathic proving. But you will have to discuss it with him personally and gain his trust. Email back and forth never seems to work.
Roger Barr
A homeopathic proving will _cause_ symptoms in a healthy person. A placebo will not. The constellation of symptoms caused - mental, physical and emotional - will be replicated in all provings of the same remedy. The results of Hahnemann's proving of Belladonna were replicated 100 years later by a "blind" group of provers and supervisors, who had no idea what was being proven.
The correct homeopathic remedy will cause an aggravation of the existing symptoms, if given in too strong an initial dose. No placebo will do that.
A homeopathic remedy will cause a long term cure (outlasting the dosing period) of chronic disease. A placebo only has temporary benefit, usually of only some of the symptoms like pain. There is a 200 year clinical history of success treating chronic disease with homeopathy, not for placebo.
A homeopathic remedy can be identified from placebo by the emf signal it has, as demonstrated by Jacques Benveniste, Nobel laureate Luc Montaigner, and all the labs that duplicated Benveniste's results .
Challenge your Belgian publisher to do a homeopathic proving. But you will have to discuss it with him personally and gain his trust. Email back and forth never seems to work.
Roger Barr
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Cathy Lemmon
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Re: Homeopathy and Placebo - the age-old Questions
Thank you, Dale. This makes absolute sense, to have her husband's meds checked.
I will be happy to pull up your article too-- it sounds interesting and rather pertinent to this situation.
- Cathy
Be well!
- Cathy Lemmon, BA, CHP, D.Psc
List Owner, Homeopathy-and-SN
and HP Worldwide Choice
(www.groups.yahoo.com)
Saupere Aude! (Wage zu wissen!)
(Dare to know!)
---In minutus@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Hi Cathy,
Regarding the man who seems to have lost his desire to live, a first step would be to have an independent physician (i.e., one not in charge of his care) look closely at the meds he's taking. I ran into a similar situation with my uncle many years ago, and it turned out that the BP medication he was taking, Inderol, was making him depressed and other medications were acting at cross purposes.
On the power of the mind, you might take a look at my article, "The Princess Who Lost Her Castle," in the spring issue of Homeopathy Today. It deals with somatized emotions, that is, the way feelings can take root in the body as symptoms.
Peace,
Dale
I will be happy to pull up your article too-- it sounds interesting and rather pertinent to this situation.
- Cathy
Be well!
- Cathy Lemmon, BA, CHP, D.Psc
List Owner, Homeopathy-and-SN
and HP Worldwide Choice
(www.groups.yahoo.com)
Saupere Aude! (Wage zu wissen!)
(Dare to know!)
---In minutus@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Hi Cathy,
Regarding the man who seems to have lost his desire to live, a first step would be to have an independent physician (i.e., one not in charge of his care) look closely at the meds he's taking. I ran into a similar situation with my uncle many years ago, and it turned out that the BP medication he was taking, Inderol, was making him depressed and other medications were acting at cross purposes.
On the power of the mind, you might take a look at my article, "The Princess Who Lost Her Castle," in the spring issue of Homeopathy Today. It deals with somatized emotions, that is, the way feelings can take root in the body as symptoms.
Peace,
Dale
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Cathy Lemmon
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Re: Homeopathy and Placebo - the age-old Questions
And thank you, Roger, for sharing this.
I tried beginning to share some of this with this publisher. However, there was, unfortunately, not only a bit of a language barrier, as my French is non-existent and his English was just above minimal, but his mind had already been completely made up and was more than a little bit closed.
I had completely forgotten about Benveniste and his studies. Unfortunately, though, I don't know if he would consider this "legitimate", as he discounts homeopathy. But I suppose there could be hope, as he puts his trust only in the placebo-controlled studies (however ironic that may seem, all things considered). I don't have time to spend with him any more at this time. But I may see if some time in the future the opportunity may present itself again.
- Cathy
---In minutus@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
There are several distinctive differences between a placebo and a homeopathic remedy.
A homeopathic proving will _cause_ symptoms in a healthy person. A placebo will not. The constellation of symptoms caused - mental, physical and emotional - will be replicated in all provings of the same remedy. The results of Hahnemann's proving of Belladonna were replicated 100 years later by a "blind" group of provers and supervisors, who had no idea what was being proven.
The correct homeopathic remedy will cause an aggravation of the existing symptoms, if given in too strong an initial dose. No placebo will do that.
A homeopathic remedy will cause a long term cure (outlasting the dosing period) of chronic disease. A placebo only has temporary benefit, usually of only some of the symptoms like pain. There is a 200 year clinical history of success treating chronic disease with homeopathy, not for placebo.
A homeopathic remedy can be identified from placebo by the emf signal it has, as demonstrated by Jacques Benveniste, Nobel laureate Luc Montaigner, and all the labs that duplicated Benveniste's results .
Challenge your Belgian publisher to do a homeopathic proving. But you will have to discuss it with him personally and gain his trust. Email back and forth never seems to work.
Roger Barr
I tried beginning to share some of this with this publisher. However, there was, unfortunately, not only a bit of a language barrier, as my French is non-existent and his English was just above minimal, but his mind had already been completely made up and was more than a little bit closed.
I had completely forgotten about Benveniste and his studies. Unfortunately, though, I don't know if he would consider this "legitimate", as he discounts homeopathy. But I suppose there could be hope, as he puts his trust only in the placebo-controlled studies (however ironic that may seem, all things considered). I don't have time to spend with him any more at this time. But I may see if some time in the future the opportunity may present itself again.
- Cathy
---In minutus@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
There are several distinctive differences between a placebo and a homeopathic remedy.
A homeopathic proving will _cause_ symptoms in a healthy person. A placebo will not. The constellation of symptoms caused - mental, physical and emotional - will be replicated in all provings of the same remedy. The results of Hahnemann's proving of Belladonna were replicated 100 years later by a "blind" group of provers and supervisors, who had no idea what was being proven.
The correct homeopathic remedy will cause an aggravation of the existing symptoms, if given in too strong an initial dose. No placebo will do that.
A homeopathic remedy will cause a long term cure (outlasting the dosing period) of chronic disease. A placebo only has temporary benefit, usually of only some of the symptoms like pain. There is a 200 year clinical history of success treating chronic disease with homeopathy, not for placebo.
A homeopathic remedy can be identified from placebo by the emf signal it has, as demonstrated by Jacques Benveniste, Nobel laureate Luc Montaigner, and all the labs that duplicated Benveniste's results .
Challenge your Belgian publisher to do a homeopathic proving. But you will have to discuss it with him personally and gain his trust. Email back and forth never seems to work.
Roger Barr
Re: Homeopathy and Placebo - the age-old Questions
Dale, is there a way I can get access to the Princess Who Lost Her Castle article? It sounds very much like that's what I've done.
Diana
Thank you, Dale. This makes absolute sense, to have her husband's meds checked.
I will be happy to pull up your article too-- it sounds interesting and rather pertinent to this situation.
- Cathy
Be well!
- Cathy Lemmon, BA, CHP, D.Psc
List Owner, Homeopathy-and-SN
and HP Worldwide Choice
(www.groups.yahoo.com)
Saupere Aude! (Wage zu wissen!)
(Dare to know!)
---In minutus@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Hi Cathy,
Regarding the man who seems to have lost his desire to live, a first step would be to have an independent physician (i.e., one not in charge of his care) look closely at the meds he's taking. I ran into a similar situation with my uncle many years ago, and it turned out that the BP medication he was taking, Inderol, was making him depressed and other medications were acting at cross purposes.
On the power of the mind, you might take a look at my article, "The Princess Who Lost Her Castle," in the spring issue of Homeopathy Today. It deals with somatized emotions, that is, the way feelings can take root in the body as symptoms.
Peace,
Dale
Diana
Thank you, Dale. This makes absolute sense, to have her husband's meds checked.
I will be happy to pull up your article too-- it sounds interesting and rather pertinent to this situation.
- Cathy
Be well!
- Cathy Lemmon, BA, CHP, D.Psc
List Owner, Homeopathy-and-SN
and HP Worldwide Choice
(www.groups.yahoo.com)
Saupere Aude! (Wage zu wissen!)
(Dare to know!)
---In minutus@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Hi Cathy,
Regarding the man who seems to have lost his desire to live, a first step would be to have an independent physician (i.e., one not in charge of his care) look closely at the meds he's taking. I ran into a similar situation with my uncle many years ago, and it turned out that the BP medication he was taking, Inderol, was making him depressed and other medications were acting at cross purposes.
On the power of the mind, you might take a look at my article, "The Princess Who Lost Her Castle," in the spring issue of Homeopathy Today. It deals with somatized emotions, that is, the way feelings can take root in the body as symptoms.
Peace,
Dale
Re: Homeopathy and Placebo - the age-old Questions
If you're a member of the National Center for Homeopathy, you can access it at their website. Otherwise you'll probably have to contact them about purchasing a copy of the magazine. I'll check to see if I can post it legally, but I may not be allowed to.
Peace,
Dale
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Peace,
Dale
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Re: Homeopathy and Placebo - the age-old Questions
Dale, I already tried to access through their website, but without success. I am not in a financial situation where I can afford to become members of anything, let alone purchase magazines, which was why I came back here to ask you. If there safely is another way to access the article, I'd be much obliged. If not, well, that's OK too. Thank you for trying.
Diana
If you're a member of the National Center for Homeopathy, you can access it at their website. Otherwise you'll probably have to contact them about purchasing a copy of the magazine. I'll check to see if I can post it legally, but I may not be allowed to.
Peace,
Dale
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Diana
If you're a member of the National Center for Homeopathy, you can access it at their website. Otherwise you'll probably have to contact them about purchasing a copy of the magazine. I'll check to see if I can post it legally, but I may not be allowed to.
Peace,
Dale
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