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[Tanya Marquette]

Well that is a lot less time than the recommended 2 weeks, shake every day.

I will try your abbreviated recipe. Will have to buy some of the dried herb which is

available in health food stores.
thanx

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[Tanya Marquette]

I can see that process jeanine. But not using the machine in lieu of case taking.

I am convinced these machines can make good quality remedies. The problem is that

they don't have very long shelf lives.
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[Maria Bohle]

If you need it now. Try it. Ideally you wait, but you need it now.

[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

Depending on the herb you need, you could also juice it with real, slow juicer, not a blender. This way you break down the cell walls and extract almost all the contents, the way alcohol does slowly.

You can then potentise part of it, save the rest while extracting any possible residue from the pulp the usual way, mixing it with the juice and have a more complete extract for later.

Mind you, I have never tried that, so this is hypothetical, but it seems to make sense, at least to me.

My own take about the "machines": we know their remedies work, from the many practitioners who have used them (not me though...) but they are here to produce a remedy, not to take a case. A machine can produce nails and screws, we still need human hands to assemble the cupboards.

I had the opportunity to watch the effects of a "Bikum" machine; the explanation I was given was that it took the "pathological vibrational field" of the patient, inverted it and by sending that inverted field to the patient, neutralised the actual problem (?). The end result was that patients felt better, then relapsed because of course their root problem/pathology was not addressed...and they needed many more treatments until they abandoned it.
Joe.

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.

"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

www.naturamedica.co.nz

[Tanya Marquette]

Since beginning from scratch, will do it both ways.
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[Tanya Marquette]

Sounds like an interesting experiment but you would need the fresh herb and a big bunch of it.

Not sure that I can find that around me.

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[Allen Coniglio]

This is, at first glance, a most definitive statement regarding the use of "inversion" type machines in treating disease states:

"The end result was that patients felt better, then relapsed because of course their root problem/pathology was not addressed...and they needed many more treatments until they abandoned it."
That statement makes complete sense and I believe it to be true. However, it is often the case that a homeopathic remedy produces similar results in some cases. I know of many times that a person has taken a remedy that works for a while but after a time, it "fades" and has to be repeated so many times that the person loses interest and disappears. This, of course, could be due to many things. It could be that the remedy is wrong, the potency is too low, or even too high, the person needs a nosode, etc.. That may also be the case with the "Bikum" machine which was referenced.

One could argue that a remedy making machine that produces a homeopathic remedy is a different story. As far as I can see, theoretically at least, that remedy produced by the machine ought to be as powerful and complete as one produced in the usual way. Theoretically, but who knows? Obviously, this is a question which is going to be difficult to resolve.

[Allen Coniglio]

Why do you say that they do not have long shelf lives? What would constitute a "long" shelf life?
In that regard, I have in my possession hundreds of Dolisos and other remedies that expired more than 15 years ago but which still work. I use them all the time for clients and to "seed" 2 ounce dropper bottles of water and alcohol mixes. They never fail to work.

[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

Allen, I think the difference is in the application: the Bikum was used mechanistically, with the "inverted wavelength" probably changing every time, the same way you described yourself as changing all the time, but addressing only the external presentation of the patient at the moment of treatment.

Continuously repeating a remedy that does not produce the expected results is a methodological error of the practitioner who should review his results and confront himself with the possibility/probability that the remedy is not the correct one albeit a close one. And that is valid for any form of therapy, not only for homeopathy.

Joe.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.

"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

www.naturamedica.co.nz

[Tanya Marquette]

The people I know who use these type of remedy makers claim the remedies don't store for very long--no more than

a few weeks.
Hahnemann's remedies are still with us and have viability. That is a long time.
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