Constitution

[Shannon Nelson]

Hi Piet,

Well, I guess I could talk more intelligently about Masi if I'd read him,
LOL! But from what you say:

on 1/21/03 11:56 AM, Piet Guijt at piet@guijt.myweb.nl wrote:
Or dig someone down to what was there all along, but covered over by other
issues. Because even newborns are *not* necessarily in a healthy state.
Again, I think this is a matter of definition. Sounds like Masi's
*definition* of "consitutional remedy" *is* "the remedy that will serve the
person well thru all of their life stages." So in contradicting, do you
mean to say this is an unattainable goal (certainly is for most of us!), or
something else??

Again, that depends on your *definition*.
But this puzzles me: Phos is (as I understand the word) a miasmatic remedy
(of three miasms, if I remember right), but it's also commonly used as a
"constitutional". Could you explain your meaning?

Thanks,
Shannon

[Piet Guijt]

Shannon wrote,

But this puzzles me: Phos is (as I understand the word) a miasmatic remedy
(of three miasms, if I remember right), but it's also commonly used as a
"constitutional". Could you explain your meaning?

Hello Shannon,

I think this is really the problem, not the definition but the understanding.
Of course a agree with Joy we should always prescribe the simillimum.
But in one case we can have many mixed sypmtoms at a time, we have to decide which symptoms we can use for our first prescription.
We can do this by grouping symptoms around the cause.
This is why we need APH 5, to be our guide in all the presenting symptoms.
When a Phos individual gets sick because of the way he behaves, having that constitution, Phos will help because the complaints are in line with the underlying cause and remedy. So you can say this was the constitutional remedy.

But when that same Phos individual gets gonorrhoea, the cause is mainly Sycotic, not constitutional, maybe this patient needs Sulphur for this as the simillimum, you can say this patient with the Phos. constitution (and maybe Phos symptoms) needed Sulphur first and that it was a miasmatic prescription. The symptoms were not all covered by Phos which is not a major anti-sycotic remedy, thats why the remedy shifted to Sulphur.
You see the underlying cause defines the category the remedy falls in.
But when someone with a Sulphur constitution gets gonorrhoea it is possible the disease stays on the constitutional level and must be treated with Sulphur, because Sulphur is an anti-sycotic remedy also.
But when the sycotic influence becomes stronger for example by supression it is possible that Thuja becomes the the Similimum here and yes as a miasmatic remedy.

I hope it is more clear to you.

Kind regards, Piet
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[Phosphor]

Simillimum' is also very usefull in relatively healthy >people.
well I dont know that to me this is speculation.

prophylaxis.
i would have to have evidence to be persuaded on this.

let me explain my view: the patient is vivacious and has big expressive
eyes. so we think "aha, here is a phosphorus." i say: here is a vivacious
patient with expressive eyes.

is she has a constitutional remedy, it would be Vivaciousosium.
the patient with lachrymose disposition needs Lachrymosium.

Hn nowhere states that healthy dispositions can be fortified. Not even
unhealthy dispositions are treatable by homeopathy. the naturally cruel
person, made timid or suppliant throuhg illness, returns to his cruel state
after *successful* treatment.

having said that, i have considerable sympathy for the 'constitutional'
idea. it's a kind of el dorado for healing.
But we have to be clear that it is not germane to conventional homeopathy.

Hn's observations of the connection between puls and lachrymose disposition,
and nux and ardent disposition, are the embyronisis of future development in
this area. It can draw on ideas from Paracelsus, Rademacher, Von Helmont,
and ayurvedic/TCM. I suspect the medium of treatment, if it is a viable
concept, will be found more often in fresh MT tincture of herbs in pristine
condition, and less often in homeopathic preparations.

to really test that idea has some substance: homeopaths who live in Nordic
countries [full of blondes/blue eyed girls] could see if patients respond
unusually well to puls even if the symptoms dont match and it acts to
immunise them from future illnesses.

the it could be put on a credible footing, and it would take the wind out of
the sails of the dolphin brigade.

andrew
Are you able to prescribe such a remedy?
When you are, how you select it for a more or less healthy person?

Kind regards, Piet
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[Piet Guijt]

Andrew wrote:

countries [full of blondes/blue eyed girls] could see if patients respond
unusually well to puls even if the symptoms dont match and it acts to
immunise them from future illnesses.

the sails of the dolphin brigade.

Andrew,

You show you have a very limited understanding of those matters, but the last sentence made me decide not to waste time on you anymore.

regards, Piet
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[Shannon Nelson]

Hi Andrew,

You wrote:

Well yes, after successful *acute* treatment.
But successful treatment of his *chronic* (miasmatic) state (what I have
been accustomed to calling "constitutional" treatment, but will now refrain)
would most *certainly* not leave him "cruel", else it was not successful by
any standards with which I'm familiar. Journals and case conference books
are *full* of cases where success is measured by the moderation of
undesirable personality traits, e.g. cruelty and many others. I assume
you're as familiar with this as I am... How do you reconcile this???

Shannon

[Christine Wyndham-Thomas]

I've got into a debate with someone regarding homeopathy in
principle. She believed in many of the 'myths' in homeopathy, the
one being that homeopathy is so safe that you could give a child a
whole bottle of tablets and, if it was the wrong remedy, nothing
would happen.

She also said that many doctors and vets have said something
like "this is your constitutional...it will cure all your ills."

Obviously I replied to her, putting her right on many of the things
she said, but then she responded with the following and, as I'm
learning homeopathy myself, don't know how to properly respond.

Can someone give me an answer that is down to earth because she
doesn't 'understand' homeopathy, only what she's heard.

Christine Wyndham-Thomas
www.dogsonholiday-uk.com
"Sorry I wasn't very clear. What I was trying to say was - The
CORRECT constitutional remedy for a person or a dog - will cure all
their lifetime illnesses. If a doctor or a person knows their
correct constitutional remedy - it will cure all the different
diseases/illnesses they get throughout their life time.
"Just to give you an example. My father was quite ill the last
couple of years of his life. I noticed that all the illnesses he
suffered, at different times over the last few years, needed the same
remedy. When you are healthy and rarely ill - it would be difficult
to identify your constitutional remedy."

[Julian Winston]

At 4:24 AM +0000 4/28/04, Christine Wyndham-Thomas wrote:
Not a myth. True. Unless the child has a susceptibility to the
remedy, nothing will happen IF the whole is taken at once. I've seen
it happen, and I've heard reliable reports. NOTHING happens.
she wrote:
As with all things homeopathic, the answer is: "Maybe."
In this case, the same remedy helps his many ills.

To actually HIT that one remedy-- the "pie in the sky constitutional"
where one dose cures all the suffering for a lifetime is quite rare.
I believe that Roger Morrison said it is 1% of all cases he's seen.
Usually, there are other layers that have to be worked on.
Also, remember that the body is DYNAMIC. A remedy might help, the
person might be healthy, and then something upsets it-- an accident,
a death of a friend, a change of job, whatever-- and then the dynamis
produces new symptoms which have to be looked at as the totality of
the characteristics-- not a wild stab that says, "this rx helped last
time, so..."

The question then is to find the remedy for the case at hand, give
it, and then re-look at it. Make no assumptions about
"constitutional" until a picture emerges over at last five years of
treatment.

JW

[Christine Wyndham-Thomas]

Hi Julian, thanks for reply. Would you mind if I post your reply to her?
Better than trying to put it in my own words.

I am surprised about the 'what I thought was a myth' regarding the remedies.
When I buy the remedies there's 100 tablets in a bottle and I find it hard
to believe that if a child took all those in one go that 'nothing would
happen'. I thought there was a school of thought that said that giving the
wrong remedy could cause an imbalance, or could cause suppression of some of
the symptoms only for them to erupt much later on - as you would expect with
any kind of suppression.

Christine Wyndham-Thomas

[Steve Scrutton]

My grand-daughter took a whole bottle of Arsenicum 30c when she was about 2.
She was fine but her mum was panicky and phoned me. I told her that
everything would be okay. As she didn't believe me I told her to give her a
Nux Vom, and she did. She is now 8, still okay, and has no Arsenicum
characteristics.

Steve Scrutton
Registrar, Alliance of Registered Homeopaths
Homeopathy: a safe, gentle and effective medical therapy

[Julian Winston]

At 1:11 PM +0100 4/28/04, Dogs on Holiday-UK wrote:

please. Feel free.
Long ago I did the calculations. To get CLOSE to a harmful dose of
arsenic, one would have to eat (at one sitting) 8,000 bottles (125
one grain tablets in each) of the 6X potency.
ONLY if there is susceptibility and the remedy is repeated. Taking a
single bottle at one time is like one dose.

JW