Classical Homeopath in New Delhi

[Tanya Marquette]

Ellen

I think I am hearing you. First, there was no intent to imply that 1 week of meditation is sufficient. They were trying

to teach people how to do it and expected them to make it a long term practice. I am glad that you do this. Once went

to a workshop with a British homeopath, Rob or Bob Bannon (Banion??) The description of his approach was to take the

case while meditating with your eyes wide open. In other words go to that very open and calm place within in order to

receive the case fully. Just another way of saying the same thing.
I can see from your notes that you seem to rely on concrete or materialist structures and that you were being directed

to let go and trust your subjective perceptions, without judgement of course. This seems to be the hard part for many
people. It is a learning that is important no matter how we come to it.
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[Ellen Madono]

Sorry Tanya. I did not mean that you thought you could learn anything of value such as meditation or homeopathy in one week. I too am always groaning about the cost of going to learn. Going to learn is always about coming home to practice.

I learned a way of meditating with a client to help them with spiritual issues. It works for me when the client already knows how to meditate. But, for anyone else, it is just weird. Anyway, that is my take. Probably I could learn to do it more subtly so I was not looking so weird. Just stopping to lookup information during an intake is hard for me to do. From Spero I learned that those pauses are essential. I could as easily take out a little time to orient myself. Anxiety is never helpful for me.

Spero aasked me "What is the most important question in a homeopathic intake." Can you guess the answer?

In any art, there is a concrete structure. Mastering that structure so that is does not get in the way of the intuitive art is key. Johnathan Shore in his book on the MM said he listened to a Tibetan lama who described 350 steps to a particular meditation. There was a monk who was so quick at doing those 350 steps that he could do it in the time that is takes to mount a horse. For that mastey, his nickname was something like Flying Horseman. Jonathan's point was that we need to get that good at repping.

How do you use the Sensation Method?

Best,
Ellen

Ellen Madono

[Carol Orr]

When listening to client's dreams Carl Jung would go into a sort of meditative
state...which might have been precipitated by boredom and when something the
patient said had real energy behind it..it would bring him out of that state.

[Ellen Madono]

How interesting.

When Spero is interviewing, he has an almost deadpan voice. I had the probably mistaken idea that the interviewer is supposed to express interest in the interviewee's talk. Far from it, Spero's voice gives the impression that every patient response is of the same value. Poker face maybe, but like you said, pure boredom may be closer. Even when the response is clearly of value to his evaluation, he keeps up the same front.

In real life, Spero is anything but deadpan. Full of judgements and opinions.

He says that the ability to stay with the patient's nearly subconscious dialogue is dependent on the interviewer's ability to stay with his/her own subconscious dialogue. Maybe that is where Jung was dozing off to.

Ellen Madono

[Tanya Marquette]

This sounds very familiar to me, just different words.

I also learned from the Sensation method to 'mirror' back the client's energy.

However, it is also true that one needs to be very grounded in self to remain involved

and detached simultaneously. Thus, we get the meditation state with eyes wide open

to receive the case. But I have seen practitioners attempt to remain totally neutral as

if to be a tabular rasa for the patient to project onto.
I think it important to learn from others but at some point we all need to find our own unique style that works for us.
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[Ellen Madono]

Hmm that is really helpful. I was just reporting what I saw and was told. I have not received any formal training in the sensation method, that is why I am wondering how you actually implement it.

Spero said that when he trained people for case receiving, they were simply not emotionally/meditatively ready to go to the sensation level. They needed to go there for the patient to go there.

I watched a few patients go there seemingly on their own, (to the gestures and parroting the phrases in the Sankaran books) without Spero's obvious "leaving space." Spero would relatively speaking, jump out of his skin (from a deadpan) and begin question, what does "gesture/word" mean? I don't mean relative to you or your problem. I mean what does xxx mean on its own? Then he would really hound them for an answer. If they could give him even the slightest feedback, he would use the symptom to select the rx. It would dominate over all other symptoms.

He always leaves space so he never wants volunteers like me, to disrupt the space. It is not an obvious pause sometimes.

I am feeling that this leaving of space is essential to any deep interviewing. I have seen it totally flop (IMO), so there is some judgement as to how that space is staged.

No one answered Spero's question, "what is the most important question in homeopathic interviewing." I didn't get it either and the answer should have been more obvious sitting right in front of Spero. The answer is "silence." Space.

Best,
Ellen

Ellen Madono

[Tanya Marquette]

I found the Sensation method fascinating. It was challenging as it is a very different way of 'communicating' information, not only for the client, but also the practitioner.

However you sometimes get some terrific information. The goal is really to get the patient to tell you the remedy which sometimes does happen via the symbols of their

gestures and the words they say as the practitioner drills down into the case. I did learn that before you begin that drilling down you really need to figure out the Level, kingdom

and the miasm of the case. Then you work to ask your drilling questions with this information in mind. I saw Sankaran take some cases once and he is very quick in his

evaluations of the patient. I also took some workshops with 2 other Indian homeopaths who on occasion teach in the States, actually very close to me. They seem to be

more detailed in their presentations of cases and describe successful ones, too.
What you describe is the process of getting to the energy or vital sensation of the person. You need to get them away from facts and into sensations. So if someone can only talk on the factual level it is a very superficial level. There are 7 levels, the most deep is the Will or Spiritual. Hard to get sensations from someone on a factual level as they only will talk about concrete details, even about qualifying their pains. People more in tune with their inner selves and/or more grounded will give you increasing levels of sensation descriptions. Ultimately you want to hear patients say things like clouds --fuzzy, warm, soft, scarey, etc as opposed to clouds---pretty, etc. You are looking for adjectives in the main, not nouns. I did a practice case at one point when my homepathic program was not working so it was quite a challenge to look things up but using the internet I came up with piezo electric for this person. The mentor found that very fascinating as it was a case of a friend of his for whom he had difficulty finding a remedy. The remedy maker people were using could make a remedy with a picture or the written word placed on the unit so it was possible to make new remedies such as this. Of course many people feel this puts the cabbosh on the system.
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