Has anyone used remedies from Homeodynamics or Celletech? Their modes of production are not HPUS, so I wonder about the efficacy of their remedies.
Peace,
Dale
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Re: Remedy sources
Hi Dale,
Here's everything I have on Celletech
I will not use them
Bogus Pharmacies:
Celletech, aka National Homeopathic, Biomed, and Micro Nutrition Plus.
Elixers.com
Biomedicine.com/
There is an unfolding situation in the USA that I can now talk about, since the FDA action is a matter of public record, and the document is available through the freedom of information act.
A pharmacy in Wisconsin, Celletech, received a cease and desist order from the FDA on March 9, 2000.
Seems like Celletech was making remedies with a radionic machine (identified as a “magneto-geometric process”) and selling them. Since this does NOT meet the standards of those outlined in the HPUS, such products, if labeled as “homeopathic” are considered “adulterated and mis-labeled” and are, therefore, subject to FDA sanction. The situation came to light when someone inquired where the “Scholten” remedies were coming from. Celletech said they “came from a source in Europe.”
Well-- they didn’t. They were being made with a radionic potentizer using cards.
I have not heard more. They were given 15 days to cease and desist or they would be closed. 15 days is long gone. No one at the NCH had more info.
A good number of the remedy combinations generated by Scholten cannot be made-- Aurum fluor, for example, is (I’ve been told by a chemist), unstable and cannot be made.
This will be the subject of an editorial in HT-- J/A issue.
Know your pharmacy. Know their sources. Know their process.
JW
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The FDA has a rule that states; only a real homeopathic remedy which is made by the recipe in the HPUS (ie a single remedy with a recipe in HPUS) manufactured by a place under license of the FDA, can be called a "homeopathic remedy".
The FDA had shut down Celletech because they were calling their remedies "homeopathic remedies" but not making them by HPUS recipe.
Now they call their remedies homeopathy or homeopathic products or Homeotherapeutic Products... but, to stay in business, not "homeopathic remedies" .
There is a rule, specific to only the exact term "homeopathic remedy" no mixtures are included in the HPUS, so by legal definition in USA, not a homeopathic remedy.
From their website:
In 1999 Celletech, after protracted discussions with the FDA, stopped manufacturing Homeopathic (OTC) Drugs. At the same time Celletech, choose not to renew it’s Wisconsin Drug Manufacturing License. Celletech became a Dietary Supplement Company under the direct (day to day) oversight of the Wisconsin Department of Agriculture and continued to be reviewed by the FDA because of its inter-state sales of Dietary Supplements.
In 2000, Celletec became the only Homeotherapeutic Dietary Supplement Company. As a result, Celletec offers Micro-Nutrition-Plus, and natural Homeotherapeutic Health Care products
In 2007 Celletech re-applied for and was granted a manufacturing License (#387-44) by the State of Wisconsin Pharmacy Board and the Department of Regulation and Licensing to produce HPUS Homeopathic over-the-counter drugs.
as of March 23, 2011 our facility will no longer be certified organic and Celletech will continue manufacturing our Cell Ag products in the same manner and with the same certified organic ingredients.
They still make combination remedies !
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Celletech, Madison, WI, March 9, 2000 (Minneapolis). FDA stated that the firm's
marketing of Tetanus/LM1 and Nux Vomica caused the products to be classified as drugs which lacked NDAs. FDA deemed the products misbranded because their labeling failed to bear adequate directions for use and the labeling misleading
because of suggestions that the products were safe and effective when such
had not been established. The Nux Vomica was further described as misbranded because the product was described as homeopathic "when, in fact, it is not." The agency stated that other products made with the firm's "magneto-geometric process" (ie Radionics) would likewise be unapproved new drugs. Celletech's Udder Symptom was said to lack a new animal drug application. NDA
COPYRIGHT 2000 Washington Information Source, Inc.
Magneto Geometric Process
Refer to
..\..\Magneto Geometric Process.pdf
Also refer to
Radionics.docx
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Department of Health and Human Services
Public Health Service Food and Drug Administration
Minneapolis Dtstrict 240 Hennbpin Avenue Mmneapohs MN 55401-1999 Telephone: 612-324.4100
March 9, 2000
WARNING LETTER CERTIFIED MAIL RETURN RECEIPT REQUESTED Refer to MIN 00 - 25
John W. Cain
President
Celletech, Ltd.
518 Tasman Street, Suite C
Madison, Wisconsin 53714
Dear Mr. Cain:
This letter is in reference to your firm’s marketing and distribution of the products Tetanus/LM1, Nux Vomica, and Udder Symptom. Labeling for these products makes therapeutic claims that cause the products to be drugs under Section 201(g) of the Federal Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act (the Act).
Labeling for Tetanus/LM1 includes the disease name Tetanus and the statement, “This micro-dilution is intended for the treatment of illness.” Nux Vomica is labeled for nausea and vomiting.
In addition, Nux Vomica is labeled as a “Homeopathic Medicine. ” Homeopathic drugs must be manufactured in accordance with the principles of homeopathy. Products manufactured through the use of your firm’s “magneto-geometric process” (ie Radionics)or the [purged] are not manufactured according to homeopathic principles and, therefore, are not homeopathic.
Tetanus/LM1 and Nux Vomica are “new drugs” [Section 201(p) of the Act]. Therefore, they may not be legally marketed in this country without approved New Drug Applications (NDAs) [Section 505(a) of the Act].
Udder Symptom, as formulated and labeled, is not generally recognized among experts as safe and effective for its stated uses and requires an approved New Animal Drug Application in order to be legally marketed in the United States. No such application has been filed and approved in accordance with Section 512 of the Act. Therefore, the product is an unapproved new animal drug that is adulterated under Section 501 (a)(5) of the Act.
Tetanus/LM1 and Nux Vornica are also misbranded because their labeling fails to bear adequate directions for the conditions for which they are offered [Section 502(f)(1) of the Act] and their labeling is false and misleading because it suggests that the products are safe and effective for their intended uses when, in fact, this has not been established [Section 502(a) of the Act].
Further, Nux Vomica is misbranded because its labeling is false and misleading because it states that product is homeopathic when, in fact, it is not [Section 502[a) of the Act].
Udder Symptom is also misbranded under Section 502(e) (l)(A)(ii) and 502(a) in that the product fails to declare the established name of the active ingredients and it bears directions for use in children and adults. Directions for use in children and adults are misleading on a product labeled for mastitis.
In addition, your firm has indicated that it intends to continue to manufacture a large number of products using your “magneto-geometric process” and the [purged] and to label and market these products as homeopathic. Such products will also be unapproved new drugs.
Further, homeopathic products may not contain non-homeopathic ingredients. Therefore, any products combining homeopathically prepared ingredients with ingredients generated by your [purged] will not be homeopathic [FDA Compliance Policy guide (CPG) 7132. 15].
Also, homeopathic drugs are not exempt from the requirements concerning the sale and labeling of prescription drugs. The price list for National Homeopathic Products offers a number of over-the-counter products with therapeutic claims that represent prescription drug indications. These include: shingles, Measles, Chicken Pox, thyroid, Candida yeast, and pink eye. Sale of such homeopathic drugs requires a valid prescription and a prescription drug legend on the product label.
This letter is not intended to be an all inclusive review of all labeling and products your firm may market. It is your responsibility to ensure that all products marketed by your firm are in compliance with the Act and its implementing regulations.
We request that you take prompt action to correct these violations. Failure to promptly correct these violations may result in enforcement action being initiated by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) without further notice. The Federal Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act provides for the seizure of illegal products and for injunction against the manufacturer and/or distributor of illegal products.
In addition, concerning the following products: Uterine Dysfunction, Inflammation S. S. C,, Intestinal Illness, etc., Respiratory Illness in Cattle, Maintain Udder Health, Udder Symptom Relief, Fever I, Clean System of Antibiotics, First Symptoms, Reduce Cell Count II, and Uterus Toner, all the above products are intended for use in the treatment/ mitigation/prevention of animal diseases and therefore meet the definition of “drug” under Section 201(g)(1)(B) of the Act. Promotional materials falsely imply FDA approval by referring to the NDC number as the “FDA products #.” All the above products appear to be in violation of the Act in that they do not bear adequate directions for their intended uses and they are not drug-listed with the Center for Veterinary Medicine.
Please notify this office in writing within 15 working days after the receipt of this letter as to the specific steps you have taken to correct the stated violations, including an explanation of each step being taken to identify and make corrections to ensure that similar violations do not occur. If corrective action cannot be completed within 15 working days, state the reason for the delay and the time within which the corrections will be implemented. Your reply should be directed to Compliance Officer Carrie A. Hoffman at the address indicated on the letterhead.
Sincerely,
James A. Rahto
Director
Minneapolis District
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Here's everything I have on Celletech
I will not use them
Bogus Pharmacies:
Celletech, aka National Homeopathic, Biomed, and Micro Nutrition Plus.
Elixers.com
Biomedicine.com/
There is an unfolding situation in the USA that I can now talk about, since the FDA action is a matter of public record, and the document is available through the freedom of information act.
A pharmacy in Wisconsin, Celletech, received a cease and desist order from the FDA on March 9, 2000.
Seems like Celletech was making remedies with a radionic machine (identified as a “magneto-geometric process”) and selling them. Since this does NOT meet the standards of those outlined in the HPUS, such products, if labeled as “homeopathic” are considered “adulterated and mis-labeled” and are, therefore, subject to FDA sanction. The situation came to light when someone inquired where the “Scholten” remedies were coming from. Celletech said they “came from a source in Europe.”
Well-- they didn’t. They were being made with a radionic potentizer using cards.
I have not heard more. They were given 15 days to cease and desist or they would be closed. 15 days is long gone. No one at the NCH had more info.
A good number of the remedy combinations generated by Scholten cannot be made-- Aurum fluor, for example, is (I’ve been told by a chemist), unstable and cannot be made.
This will be the subject of an editorial in HT-- J/A issue.
Know your pharmacy. Know their sources. Know their process.
JW
--------------
The FDA has a rule that states; only a real homeopathic remedy which is made by the recipe in the HPUS (ie a single remedy with a recipe in HPUS) manufactured by a place under license of the FDA, can be called a "homeopathic remedy".
The FDA had shut down Celletech because they were calling their remedies "homeopathic remedies" but not making them by HPUS recipe.
Now they call their remedies homeopathy or homeopathic products or Homeotherapeutic Products... but, to stay in business, not "homeopathic remedies" .
There is a rule, specific to only the exact term "homeopathic remedy" no mixtures are included in the HPUS, so by legal definition in USA, not a homeopathic remedy.
From their website:
In 1999 Celletech, after protracted discussions with the FDA, stopped manufacturing Homeopathic (OTC) Drugs. At the same time Celletech, choose not to renew it’s Wisconsin Drug Manufacturing License. Celletech became a Dietary Supplement Company under the direct (day to day) oversight of the Wisconsin Department of Agriculture and continued to be reviewed by the FDA because of its inter-state sales of Dietary Supplements.
In 2000, Celletec became the only Homeotherapeutic Dietary Supplement Company. As a result, Celletec offers Micro-Nutrition-Plus, and natural Homeotherapeutic Health Care products
In 2007 Celletech re-applied for and was granted a manufacturing License (#387-44) by the State of Wisconsin Pharmacy Board and the Department of Regulation and Licensing to produce HPUS Homeopathic over-the-counter drugs.
as of March 23, 2011 our facility will no longer be certified organic and Celletech will continue manufacturing our Cell Ag products in the same manner and with the same certified organic ingredients.
They still make combination remedies !
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Celletech, Madison, WI, March 9, 2000 (Minneapolis). FDA stated that the firm's
marketing of Tetanus/LM1 and Nux Vomica caused the products to be classified as drugs which lacked NDAs. FDA deemed the products misbranded because their labeling failed to bear adequate directions for use and the labeling misleading
because of suggestions that the products were safe and effective when such
had not been established. The Nux Vomica was further described as misbranded because the product was described as homeopathic "when, in fact, it is not." The agency stated that other products made with the firm's "magneto-geometric process" (ie Radionics) would likewise be unapproved new drugs. Celletech's Udder Symptom was said to lack a new animal drug application. NDA
COPYRIGHT 2000 Washington Information Source, Inc.
Magneto Geometric Process
Refer to
..\..\Magneto Geometric Process.pdf
Also refer to
Radionics.docx
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Department of Health and Human Services
Public Health Service Food and Drug Administration
Minneapolis Dtstrict 240 Hennbpin Avenue Mmneapohs MN 55401-1999 Telephone: 612-324.4100
March 9, 2000
WARNING LETTER CERTIFIED MAIL RETURN RECEIPT REQUESTED Refer to MIN 00 - 25
John W. Cain
President
Celletech, Ltd.
518 Tasman Street, Suite C
Madison, Wisconsin 53714
Dear Mr. Cain:
This letter is in reference to your firm’s marketing and distribution of the products Tetanus/LM1, Nux Vomica, and Udder Symptom. Labeling for these products makes therapeutic claims that cause the products to be drugs under Section 201(g) of the Federal Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act (the Act).
Labeling for Tetanus/LM1 includes the disease name Tetanus and the statement, “This micro-dilution is intended for the treatment of illness.” Nux Vomica is labeled for nausea and vomiting.
In addition, Nux Vomica is labeled as a “Homeopathic Medicine. ” Homeopathic drugs must be manufactured in accordance with the principles of homeopathy. Products manufactured through the use of your firm’s “magneto-geometric process” (ie Radionics)or the [purged] are not manufactured according to homeopathic principles and, therefore, are not homeopathic.
Tetanus/LM1 and Nux Vomica are “new drugs” [Section 201(p) of the Act]. Therefore, they may not be legally marketed in this country without approved New Drug Applications (NDAs) [Section 505(a) of the Act].
Udder Symptom, as formulated and labeled, is not generally recognized among experts as safe and effective for its stated uses and requires an approved New Animal Drug Application in order to be legally marketed in the United States. No such application has been filed and approved in accordance with Section 512 of the Act. Therefore, the product is an unapproved new animal drug that is adulterated under Section 501 (a)(5) of the Act.
Tetanus/LM1 and Nux Vornica are also misbranded because their labeling fails to bear adequate directions for the conditions for which they are offered [Section 502(f)(1) of the Act] and their labeling is false and misleading because it suggests that the products are safe and effective for their intended uses when, in fact, this has not been established [Section 502(a) of the Act].
Further, Nux Vomica is misbranded because its labeling is false and misleading because it states that product is homeopathic when, in fact, it is not [Section 502[a) of the Act].
Udder Symptom is also misbranded under Section 502(e) (l)(A)(ii) and 502(a) in that the product fails to declare the established name of the active ingredients and it bears directions for use in children and adults. Directions for use in children and adults are misleading on a product labeled for mastitis.
In addition, your firm has indicated that it intends to continue to manufacture a large number of products using your “magneto-geometric process” and the [purged] and to label and market these products as homeopathic. Such products will also be unapproved new drugs.
Further, homeopathic products may not contain non-homeopathic ingredients. Therefore, any products combining homeopathically prepared ingredients with ingredients generated by your [purged] will not be homeopathic [FDA Compliance Policy guide (CPG) 7132. 15].
Also, homeopathic drugs are not exempt from the requirements concerning the sale and labeling of prescription drugs. The price list for National Homeopathic Products offers a number of over-the-counter products with therapeutic claims that represent prescription drug indications. These include: shingles, Measles, Chicken Pox, thyroid, Candida yeast, and pink eye. Sale of such homeopathic drugs requires a valid prescription and a prescription drug legend on the product label.
This letter is not intended to be an all inclusive review of all labeling and products your firm may market. It is your responsibility to ensure that all products marketed by your firm are in compliance with the Act and its implementing regulations.
We request that you take prompt action to correct these violations. Failure to promptly correct these violations may result in enforcement action being initiated by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) without further notice. The Federal Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act provides for the seizure of illegal products and for injunction against the manufacturer and/or distributor of illegal products.
In addition, concerning the following products: Uterine Dysfunction, Inflammation S. S. C,, Intestinal Illness, etc., Respiratory Illness in Cattle, Maintain Udder Health, Udder Symptom Relief, Fever I, Clean System of Antibiotics, First Symptoms, Reduce Cell Count II, and Uterus Toner, all the above products are intended for use in the treatment/ mitigation/prevention of animal diseases and therefore meet the definition of “drug” under Section 201(g)(1)(B) of the Act. Promotional materials falsely imply FDA approval by referring to the NDC number as the “FDA products #.” All the above products appear to be in violation of the Act in that they do not bear adequate directions for their intended uses and they are not drug-listed with the Center for Veterinary Medicine.
Please notify this office in writing within 15 working days after the receipt of this letter as to the specific steps you have taken to correct the stated violations, including an explanation of each step being taken to identify and make corrections to ensure that similar violations do not occur. If corrective action cannot be completed within 15 working days, state the reason for the delay and the time within which the corrections will be implemented. Your reply should be directed to Compliance Officer Carrie A. Hoffman at the address indicated on the letterhead.
Sincerely,
James A. Rahto
Director
Minneapolis District
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Shannon Nelson
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Re: Remedy sources
Lynn, A wonderful compilation!
I find it a very thought-provoking situation.
Dale -- I've used Celltech remedies, before I knew there was any reason not to -- and also after I learned, because so far as I could tell, they were working just fine.
Per discussions on this list years back, and also from a past homeopath of mine, there do seem to be some differences in the action of radionically prepared remedies from HPUS ones; and also, I have read, radionically prepared ones can be deactivated by a strong magnet, whereas HPUS ones aren't.
I've also heard that they appear to "wear off" more quickly, though others have said they never noticed that.
I've also (again years before I had learned any reason not to) used plain ol' radionically prepared remedies, which my chiro prepared on the spot from cards, and they worked beautifully -- sometimes prescribed to classical indications, and other times to other indications.
So... Are they the same? Apparently not quite. But personally I wouldn't hesitate to use them, and would LOVE to have a "remedy maker" and a good stock of the cards, especially of those remedies that might be hard to get or seldom needed. Because they definitely do "work". (Just the same? Apparnetly not. Just as well? I don't know.)
(And I would LOVE to hear experiences with radionic preparations of non-existent substances. Now *that* would be fun to explore!)
Shannon
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I find it a very thought-provoking situation.
Dale -- I've used Celltech remedies, before I knew there was any reason not to -- and also after I learned, because so far as I could tell, they were working just fine.
Per discussions on this list years back, and also from a past homeopath of mine, there do seem to be some differences in the action of radionically prepared remedies from HPUS ones; and also, I have read, radionically prepared ones can be deactivated by a strong magnet, whereas HPUS ones aren't.
I've also heard that they appear to "wear off" more quickly, though others have said they never noticed that.
I've also (again years before I had learned any reason not to) used plain ol' radionically prepared remedies, which my chiro prepared on the spot from cards, and they worked beautifully -- sometimes prescribed to classical indications, and other times to other indications.
So... Are they the same? Apparently not quite. But personally I wouldn't hesitate to use them, and would LOVE to have a "remedy maker" and a good stock of the cards, especially of those remedies that might be hard to get or seldom needed. Because they definitely do "work". (Just the same? Apparnetly not. Just as well? I don't know.)
(And I would LOVE to hear experiences with radionic preparations of non-existent substances. Now *that* would be fun to explore!)
Shannon
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Tanya Marquette
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A few years ago I was involved with a group that promoted using these machines and did work with a homepath
who made her own remedies and sent them out. The unit that seemed popular with this group seems to have no name?????
however, its most attractive feature, to me, was that you did not have to have the frequency numbers or the substance even.
You could write the name on a piece of paper and still get a remedy. This would be great for drug remedies that are so hard
to get or other imponderables. The unit still sells for $900. Don't know if other units, which can be gotten cheaper, have the
ability to do this.
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who made her own remedies and sent them out. The unit that seemed popular with this group seems to have no name?????
however, its most attractive feature, to me, was that you did not have to have the frequency numbers or the substance even.
You could write the name on a piece of paper and still get a remedy. This would be great for drug remedies that are so hard
to get or other imponderables. The unit still sells for $900. Don't know if other units, which can be gotten cheaper, have the
ability to do this.
t
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Allen Coniglio
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I do not know if something like that would actually work but if it does, I would want to buy one. How does one find information on these machines?
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Googling on "radionically prepared remedies" brings up a number of interesting looking sites, looks like various manufacturers and experiences being referenced.
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I have a sulis remedy maker I use for myself and my family. It is not a radionics machine, but a digital one. It comes with a booklet of thousands of remedy rates which can then be made on the machine. There is also another booklet with thousands of organ rates available. You can prepare the remedies in whatever potency you like. I use it also for the Fibonacci series for example. My family and I love the machine and the quality of remedies it produces. I had worked with homeopaths before who used remedy makers and eventually wanted one for myself. I think the sulis website gives access to the rates list, so you could look for yourself which remedy rates are available. There is plenty of choice. Also you can copy remedies you have on it and physical things, e.g. Make a remedy of a certain plant, food, ... The options are endless.
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I use the core energetix radionics machine which is nice because it is fully programmable and you can make remedies either in a bottle or you can simply beam them radionically to the client. It is very powerful technology and the inventor is an Austrian genius named Kiran Schmidt who was a homeopath and also a physicist.
Their website is www.energy-medicine.info .
He has also invented other technology as well for healing.
He is on YouTube under the name health navigator.
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Their website is www.energy-medicine.info .
He has also invented other technology as well for healing.
He is on YouTube under the name health navigator.
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Thanks for the info. The website is here - http://www.sulisinstruments.com/products.html and the machines are fairly expensive. If they really work, however, they may be worth it.
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Very interesting! Does anyone have input about the mechanism of action?
Also what differentiates the cheaper and more expensive models, other than price?
(And what's the light pen for?)
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Also what differentiates the cheaper and more expensive models, other than price?
(And what's the light pen for?)
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