Why I can't conceive of practicing homeopathy
Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 8:10 pm
Not enough brain power. L
In a message dated 12/2/05 5:41:34 PM, minutus@yahoogroups.com writes:
Subject: Re: Miasm Discussion Follow_up
Surely every case has a miasmatic recognition to it, even if well mixed
one should be able to identify the direction the case has come from and
what dominates it and where it is going.
This case seems to be mainly physical and little on the mental or
emotional although his dutiful hard work could be brought into the
equation.
I would offer it as a mixed miasmatic influence - sycotic for the over
production of stones and blocking of the ureter. Maybe add the duty
bound approach to life to this, uncomplaining - although this is also
highly kindled with a psoric influence as well. Some syphilitic
influence with the organs not functioning, breaking down.
Hernia suggests a weakness, mainly physical, from all that heavy manual
work. Hernias are 'out of place' happenings, displacement,
internalisation of external problems.
Allergic reaction to dye? Or maybe just the body rejecting a foreign
substance. If allergic then Psoric.
The tongue trembling and difficult speech is more curious - might
indicate a mental problem or the core of something of a more nervous
origin - psoric.
So over all Psoric and Sycotic influence. Lycopodium fits for me if a
remedy mention is required.
Best wishes, Joy
http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.blogspot.com
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From: "hahnemannian2002"
Subject: Re: Miasm Discussion Follow_up
Joy-
Thanks for the good elegant analysis. I would have gone that way too.
Now think about this case without analyzing using miasm theory. We
know this is a chronic condition developing over a period of time.
We know that we have nosodes etc.
1)If you were to think of some remedy that could cause this picture -
what would it be? Let us say you do not know Lycopodium to be
trimiasmatic or multimiasmatic.
2) Could this cancer miasm? Neoplasms could cause all this- could
cause hydrohephrosis when they block, could cause destruction of
tissue and might keep silent till the last moment many times as has
happened in this case.
3) Of course Syphilis and Gonorrhea can cause this. Can this also be
Tubercular miasm? TB is capable of causing all these... But there
are also a bunch of other things like Leptospirosis and other
infections ( Chlamydia etc) that could cause this, I guess some of
these might be part of sycosis.
4) One of the Differential diagnosis for any condition that could
cause hydronephrosis ( tubulo interstitial diseases) is heavy metal
poisoning - Lead etc. Could these be considered as well? Are they
miasmatic or not?
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From: Joy Lucas
Subject: Re: Re: Miasm Discussion Follow_up
Actually I don't see my approach as being that of miasm theory, it is
just the way I look at most cases - what has influenced the case
historically and what the case might suggest for the future and this
inevitably brings into play miasmatic influence.
The case you quoted appeared to be of someone of relative good health,
very few serious illnesses, easily takes care of an acute such as 'flu
like sx, lives a life of apparently hard work and has survived into his
70's. However you could be wary of someone who hasn't been challenged
with much illness throughout life - just a like a child who doesn't get
the typical childhood illnesses - it 'can' suggest a build up for later
life. Many of this person's physical complaints could well suggest a
serious physical pathology developing - kidney stones, blocked ureter,
hernia, difficult speech, trembling tongue. That is quite a breakdown
coming at once and could well suggest a cancer diathesis, especially
when there is a mixed miasmatic influence, cancer being a mixture of
the miasms. Also if the rx required is Lycopodium we already know to
what extent this rx lends itself to cancers of varying kinds but not
everyone needing Lycopodium will develop cancer - every case will be
different and your quoted case could be a number of other rx anyway.
When you take a full homeopathic case you always include family history
and that too will give an indication as to what to expect with the
individual in front of you. There will be an inherited miasmatic trait
as well as what the individual has a susceptibility to (maybe the same
thing?)
To try and address your points below...
1) it is important to know what miasmatic influence each and every
homeopathic rx is inclined towards, whether it be singular or mixed -
why? because it is useful, it helps us understand each and every rx and
each and every individual case - you are not going to give a syphilitic
rx to a psoric person and expect it to be the simillimum (except in
your dreams)
2) yes it could be a cancer miasm - hard work with no play, blockage,
misplacement of tissues, lack of reaction generally etc and this would
be compounded if there were a f/h/o cancer, if not then it could be
viewed differently maybe such as a change of diet to reduce the
tendency to stones and gravel blockage etc, change of lifestyle to ease
the hernias. One needs to know the cause of the difficult speech and
trembling tongue (curious sx) and they need a context.
3) if Tb were at the foundation of this I would say that f/h/o would
possibly show this and likely is that the chosen rx (hopefully the
simillimum) will have an affinity to TB and if it were a cancer rx then
it will have anyway, won't it?
4) this is interesting and the possibility of toxicity should be
explored during case taking and could resolve a case quickly but even
toxicity cases will arouse only those susceptibilities within (from a
miasmatic point of view). For example, if the simillimum were to be
Lycopodium then what is the cause/link to the curious sx of the speech
and trembling tongue (other than the fact this is represented in the
proving sx). In other words why does Lycopodium have these sx? I'm not
going to write a thesis here (I'm trying to get away for the weekend)
but I would say it is something to do with the internalised fright,
fear, anticipation, even anger that this rx has. If this isn't shown in
the well known dictatorial and/or apprehensive nature so well known
with this rx then it does become very internalised to the point of
serious physical pathology (that this client has) and more specifically
to curious sx such as a trembling tongue - the trembling tongue being
the metaphor for all that internalisation instead of a more obvious
apprehension etc = no surprise, potential cancer pre-disposition.
Eventually nothing to do with toxicity but it would need to be ruled
out.
5) don't know what you mean by snake poisons, do you mean rx or has the
client been bitten by a snake, either way I do not see the typical
haemorraghic tendency in this person. Are you hinting that the
trembling tongue suggests a snake rx over and above a rx with a uric
acid diathesis ??
6) a hierarchy is just that - the totality of sx placed in a system of
ranking and grading. New sx are especially important because they often
represent the presenting complaint, that which the person has decided
to come and see you about, at which point they feel they need curing
and will also represent the progression of the diseased state. But the
totality is vital and needs the ranking/hierarchy to give shape to the
case. ALL sx should be ranked in my opinion, not only graded
individually e.g. 1,2,3,4 etc but ranked in priority of the whole case
vis what needs to be cured. For me this represents at least 50% of the
case work done - do this well and it becomes easier all round, in my
opinion anyway.
Hope useful, best wishes, have a nice weekend, Joy
http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.blogspot.com
5) How about snake poisons?
6) WOuld you build a hierarchy of symptoms here in terms of newness
or old symptoms or current vs chronic symptoms etc?
Once again thanks for your comments.
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In a message dated 12/2/05 5:41:34 PM, minutus@yahoogroups.com writes:
Subject: Re: Miasm Discussion Follow_up
Surely every case has a miasmatic recognition to it, even if well mixed
one should be able to identify the direction the case has come from and
what dominates it and where it is going.
This case seems to be mainly physical and little on the mental or
emotional although his dutiful hard work could be brought into the
equation.
I would offer it as a mixed miasmatic influence - sycotic for the over
production of stones and blocking of the ureter. Maybe add the duty
bound approach to life to this, uncomplaining - although this is also
highly kindled with a psoric influence as well. Some syphilitic
influence with the organs not functioning, breaking down.
Hernia suggests a weakness, mainly physical, from all that heavy manual
work. Hernias are 'out of place' happenings, displacement,
internalisation of external problems.
Allergic reaction to dye? Or maybe just the body rejecting a foreign
substance. If allergic then Psoric.
The tongue trembling and difficult speech is more curious - might
indicate a mental problem or the core of something of a more nervous
origin - psoric.
So over all Psoric and Sycotic influence. Lycopodium fits for me if a
remedy mention is required.
Best wishes, Joy
http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.blogspot.com
--------------
From: "hahnemannian2002"
Subject: Re: Miasm Discussion Follow_up
Joy-
Thanks for the good elegant analysis. I would have gone that way too.
Now think about this case without analyzing using miasm theory. We
know this is a chronic condition developing over a period of time.
We know that we have nosodes etc.
1)If you were to think of some remedy that could cause this picture -
what would it be? Let us say you do not know Lycopodium to be
trimiasmatic or multimiasmatic.
2) Could this cancer miasm? Neoplasms could cause all this- could
cause hydrohephrosis when they block, could cause destruction of
tissue and might keep silent till the last moment many times as has
happened in this case.
3) Of course Syphilis and Gonorrhea can cause this. Can this also be
Tubercular miasm? TB is capable of causing all these... But there
are also a bunch of other things like Leptospirosis and other
infections ( Chlamydia etc) that could cause this, I guess some of
these might be part of sycosis.
4) One of the Differential diagnosis for any condition that could
cause hydronephrosis ( tubulo interstitial diseases) is heavy metal
poisoning - Lead etc. Could these be considered as well? Are they
miasmatic or not?
----------------------
From: Joy Lucas
Subject: Re: Re: Miasm Discussion Follow_up
Actually I don't see my approach as being that of miasm theory, it is
just the way I look at most cases - what has influenced the case
historically and what the case might suggest for the future and this
inevitably brings into play miasmatic influence.
The case you quoted appeared to be of someone of relative good health,
very few serious illnesses, easily takes care of an acute such as 'flu
like sx, lives a life of apparently hard work and has survived into his
70's. However you could be wary of someone who hasn't been challenged
with much illness throughout life - just a like a child who doesn't get
the typical childhood illnesses - it 'can' suggest a build up for later
life. Many of this person's physical complaints could well suggest a
serious physical pathology developing - kidney stones, blocked ureter,
hernia, difficult speech, trembling tongue. That is quite a breakdown
coming at once and could well suggest a cancer diathesis, especially
when there is a mixed miasmatic influence, cancer being a mixture of
the miasms. Also if the rx required is Lycopodium we already know to
what extent this rx lends itself to cancers of varying kinds but not
everyone needing Lycopodium will develop cancer - every case will be
different and your quoted case could be a number of other rx anyway.
When you take a full homeopathic case you always include family history
and that too will give an indication as to what to expect with the
individual in front of you. There will be an inherited miasmatic trait
as well as what the individual has a susceptibility to (maybe the same
thing?)
To try and address your points below...
1) it is important to know what miasmatic influence each and every
homeopathic rx is inclined towards, whether it be singular or mixed -
why? because it is useful, it helps us understand each and every rx and
each and every individual case - you are not going to give a syphilitic
rx to a psoric person and expect it to be the simillimum (except in
your dreams)
2) yes it could be a cancer miasm - hard work with no play, blockage,
misplacement of tissues, lack of reaction generally etc and this would
be compounded if there were a f/h/o cancer, if not then it could be
viewed differently maybe such as a change of diet to reduce the
tendency to stones and gravel blockage etc, change of lifestyle to ease
the hernias. One needs to know the cause of the difficult speech and
trembling tongue (curious sx) and they need a context.
3) if Tb were at the foundation of this I would say that f/h/o would
possibly show this and likely is that the chosen rx (hopefully the
simillimum) will have an affinity to TB and if it were a cancer rx then
it will have anyway, won't it?
4) this is interesting and the possibility of toxicity should be
explored during case taking and could resolve a case quickly but even
toxicity cases will arouse only those susceptibilities within (from a
miasmatic point of view). For example, if the simillimum were to be
Lycopodium then what is the cause/link to the curious sx of the speech
and trembling tongue (other than the fact this is represented in the
proving sx). In other words why does Lycopodium have these sx? I'm not
going to write a thesis here (I'm trying to get away for the weekend)
but I would say it is something to do with the internalised fright,
fear, anticipation, even anger that this rx has. If this isn't shown in
the well known dictatorial and/or apprehensive nature so well known
with this rx then it does become very internalised to the point of
serious physical pathology (that this client has) and more specifically
to curious sx such as a trembling tongue - the trembling tongue being
the metaphor for all that internalisation instead of a more obvious
apprehension etc = no surprise, potential cancer pre-disposition.
Eventually nothing to do with toxicity but it would need to be ruled
out.
5) don't know what you mean by snake poisons, do you mean rx or has the
client been bitten by a snake, either way I do not see the typical
haemorraghic tendency in this person. Are you hinting that the
trembling tongue suggests a snake rx over and above a rx with a uric
acid diathesis ??
6) a hierarchy is just that - the totality of sx placed in a system of
ranking and grading. New sx are especially important because they often
represent the presenting complaint, that which the person has decided
to come and see you about, at which point they feel they need curing
and will also represent the progression of the diseased state. But the
totality is vital and needs the ranking/hierarchy to give shape to the
case. ALL sx should be ranked in my opinion, not only graded
individually e.g. 1,2,3,4 etc but ranked in priority of the whole case
vis what needs to be cured. For me this represents at least 50% of the
case work done - do this well and it becomes easier all round, in my
opinion anyway.
Hope useful, best wishes, have a nice weekend, Joy
http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.blogspot.com
5) How about snake poisons?
6) WOuld you build a hierarchy of symptoms here in terms of newness
or old symptoms or current vs chronic symptoms etc?
Once again thanks for your comments.
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