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Conium [was: stoic]

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 3:43 pm
by Shannon Nelson
Thanks Joy,
And that brings me to another area of wondering--What Conium might look
like in a child (I see it under "Mind, impressionable, in children"--I
would never have thought of it for a child!) and what might tip us off
to an earlier stage of it. Scanning the rubric extraction I see it in
lots of very expressive rubrics--much having to do with anger and
anxiety, but also e.g. cheerfulness, "Meddlesome, importunate" (which
seems rather *opposite* the state we're familiar with, doesn't it?).
Also "mirth", "passionate", "playful"... This looks like another
remedy I would like to have a far broader understanding of. Anyone
have thoughts?

Joy, would you mind reconstructing what you can of your 82 year old
client?
Thanks!
Shannon

Re: Conium [was: stoic]

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:10 pm
by Joy Lucas
Dear Shannon, it is interesting to think of Conium for children. If you
look at other rx in this group it includes Aethusa, Cicuta, Oenanthe -
all 'brain' or 'convulsion' rx and just as applicable to youngsters as
adults.

Also to keep in mind the fact that Conium has A/F sudden and violent
injuries, accidents, blows and this can happen to any age group - the
characteristic of this sudden and violent attack is that it is followed
by a lack of feeling, numbness, dullness and indifference or the stoic
and we know how stoical Socrates was.

Because Conium is indicative of the cancer diathesis we expect this
control or suppression and although the stereotype to this is an adult
who has gone through life suppressing and finally ends up with cancer,
for example, there is no reason why a much younger person doesn't show
this susceptibility. Sankaran also mentions the 'regression' that is
part of this family (cicuta is very childlike) so that makes another
reference to children.

Mind, impressionable, in children - shouldn't this read "unpleasantly
impressionable". You have to remember that these are primarily 'brain'
rx so the extreme sensitivity or impressionability that comes with them
places that sensation intensely within the child's perception of the
world that is threatening - abuse cases for example.

You can see why the expressive 'anger' and 'anxiety' rubrics come into
play - they want to 'abuse' back although these feelings will also be
connected to a level of 'periodic insanity' known to this rx.

Meddlesome comes from the 'trifles seem important' concept, they have
to fuss over things, tamper with them because they are 'dissatisfied
with their surroundings' - I think this is due to the suppression that
has taken place and is diverted elsewhere, often sublimated. Same with
'mirth' and 'playful' there will be a situation whereby they have to
reconstruct a given situation (my client certainly did that) - the
mirth and playfulness also come within the sexual sphere as well. So
although we are encouraged to think of this rx for the elderly I don't
see any reason why the sx can't apply to children.

Can't say too much about the conium case - it would be very graphic, if
you know what I mean :-)

It was quite some years ago and I don't even know if the lady is still
alive, except to say that the dx of MS wasn't a true one, it was
adopted but the delusion is the same thing. The rx got her out of her
wheelchair much of the time, many other minor physical sx came out,
constipation being the main one, stool would have to be manually
extracted, urination was extremely burning as was the whole genital
area - the main focus of the case. Best wishes, Joy

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Re: Conium [was: stoic]

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:53 pm
by Shannon Nelson
Thanks Joy, I'll chew over all this...
I appreciate seeing some of the broader perspective and context!
:-)
Shannon