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EPIGENICS - Miasms?

Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 4:06 pm
by Soroush Ebrahimi
Dear Colleagues
BBC2's Horizon was discussing how stressful or environmental effects cause
disease symptoms in not only the person so affected, but also in generations
that follow.

Epi = upon

Basically, the human genome exercise showed only some 30,000 genes as
opposed to the 100,000+ expected. However, they found that by epigenetics,
genes are either switched on or off.

And whether these genes are switched off in the male or female, the result
is different in the off springs.

For example when parts of Gene 15 are missing, it can cause Angleman's
syndrome (poor mental growth, but child smiles all the time and is happy) or
Prader-Willi Syndrome where the child has insatiable appetite has poor
muscle tone etc. The point is that one is caused by the gene coming through
the mother and the other through the father!

Another example, the famines in the Swedish village caused cases of diabetes
in the grandchildren.
(The isolated Swedish village for a very long time had kept records of
births and deaths and diseases and causes of death and also their harvests).
If the males at puberty or female foetuses were affected by the famine, the
their children suffered from diabetes.

In another experiment, the spraying pesticides on to a pregnant rat caused
generations of her off springs to have cancers, kidney failures etc.

Or that the people who were stressed by the 9/11 attack and were pregnant at
the time, the stresses lead to hormonal changes not only in them but also in
their babies (Again how pregnant they were at the time was important) It
would be interesting to see what happens to the babies of these babies.

This is in a way the scientific proof of MIASMS ideas of Hahnemann 200+
years ago.

For those that did not see it, here is the link, the text below is form the
site.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/program ... enes.shtml

Rgds
Soroush

Biology stands on the brink of a shift in the understanding of inheritance.
The discovery of epigenetics – hidden influences upon the genes – could
affect every aspect of our lives.
At the heart of this new field is a simple but contentious idea – that genes
have a 'memory'. That the lives of your grandparents – the air they
breathed, the food they ate, even the things they saw – can directly affect
you, decades later, despite your never experiencing these things yourself.
And that what you do in your lifetime could in turn affect your
grandchildren.
The conventional view is that DNA carries all our heritable information and
that nothing an individual does in their lifetime will be biologically
passed to their children. To many scientists, epigenetics amounts to a
heresy, calling into question the accepted view of the DNA sequence – a
cornerstone on which modern biology sits.
Epigenetics adds a whole new layer to genes beyond the DNA. It proposes a
control system of 'switches' that turn genes on or off – and suggests that
things people experience, like nutrition and stress, can control these
switches and cause heritable effects in humans.
In a remote town in northern Sweden there is evidence for this radical idea.
Lying in Överkalix's parish registries of births and deaths and its detailed
harvest records is a secret that confounds traditional scientific thinking.
Marcus Pembrey, a Professor of Clinical Genetics at the Institute of Child
Health in London, in collaboration with Swedish researcher Lars Olov Bygren,
has found evidence in these records of an environmental effect being passed
down the generations. They have shown that a famine at critical times in the
lives of the grandparents can affect the life expectancy of the
grandchildren. This is the first evidence that an environmental effect can
be inherited in humans.
In other independent groups around the world, the first hints that there is
more to inheritance than just the genes are coming to light. The mechanism
by which this extraordinary discovery can be explained is starting to be
revealed.
Professor Wolf Reik, at the Babraham Institute in Cambridge, has spent years
studying this hidden ghost world. He has found that merely manipulating mice
embryos is enough to set off 'switches' that turn genes on or off.
For mothers like Stephanie Mullins, who had her first child by in vitro
fertilisation, this has profound implications. It means it is possible that
the IVF procedure caused her son Ciaran to be born with Beckwith-Wiedemann
Syndrome – a rare disorder linked to abnormal gene expression. It has been
shown that babies conceived by IVF have a three- to four-fold increased
chance of developing this condition.
And Reik's work has gone further, showing that these switches themselves can
be inherited. This means that a 'memory' of an event could be passed through
generations. A simple environmental effect could switch genes on or off –
and this change could be inherited.
His research has demonstrated that genes and the environment are not
mutually exclusive but are inextricably intertwined, one affecting the
other.
The idea that inheritance is not just about which genes you inherit but
whether these are switched on or off is a whole new frontier in biology. It
raises questions with huge implications, and means the search will be on to
find what sort of environmental effects can affect these switches.
After the tragic events of September 11th 2001, Rachel Yehuda, a
psychologist at the Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York, studied the
effects of stress on a group of women who were inside or near the World
Trade Center and were pregnant at the time. Produced in conjunction with
Jonathan Seckl, an Edinburgh doctor, her results suggest that stress effects
can pass down generations. Meanwhile research at Washington State University
points to toxic effects – like exposure to fungicides or pesticides –
causing biological changes in rats that persist for at least four
generations.
This work is at the forefront of a paradigm shift in scientific thinking. It
will change the way the causes of disease are viewed, as well as the
importance of lifestyles and family relationships. What people do no longer
just affects themselves, but can determine the health of their children and
grandchildren in decades to come. "We are," as Marcus Pembrey says, "all
guardians of our genome."

Re: EPIGENICS - Miasms?

Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 5:24 pm
by Piet Guijt
Soroush wrote:
Hi Soroush, all.

The transmission of experience to the offspring, is not the same as miasm.
Miasms are also genetic releated, but are somehow related to infections.
Some days ago I found an article that claimed there is a relation between
the Gille de la tourette syndrome and Candida or Yeast infection.
www.newtreatments.org
Overgrowth of yeast in the intestines is probably the real cause for Gille
de Tourette Syndrome, just like overgrowth of microbes in the intestines is
probably the real cause of autism, ADHD and several other mental disease.
Somewhere else I read that infection with Candida via the birth channel is
unavoidable. This is what Hahnemann said about Psora 200 years ago!
Doesn't sound this much more like miasms, instead of genetic transmittable
faults?
This fits even better the discussion on Psora in the light of the PC
remedies, we had some time ago.

Kind regard, Piet

Re: EPIGENICS - Miasms?

Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 6:32 pm
by Shannon Nelson
Hi Piet,
I see that your distinction between miasms (caused by infection) versus
genetically transmitted disorders caused by other factors, is
consistent with Hahnemann's explanation. But I wonder just how
meaningful the distinction will be in practice? In either case if
we're using miasm theory for treatment, we'll be looking at symptom
picture, with history only secondary (because always our family history
cannot be complete in any case).

But also, surely the "acquired" weakness that is passed along is
heavily *based* in the preexisting weakness ("miasmatic", chronic
imbalance). When the parent is stressed (whether by famine or chemical
assault or whatever), his/her physiological response will depend
(largely, and perhaps entirely??) upon his/her prior state of
susceptibility / weakness / chronically less-than-perfect health, which
we would general consider miasmatic. Practically speaking, how will we
differentiate? And will that differentiation (to whatever extent it's
possible) have a practical effect upon how we'd prescribe? I doubt
that it would--but what do you think?

Shannon

Re: EPIGENICS - Miasms?

Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 8:24 pm
by Piet Guijt
Hi Shannon,

I'm not saying the miasms are really caused by infections, but that they
certainly have a special relation with infections.
The axis of weakening of the miasms is to the immune system, the other
trauma's directly hit the nerve system (Sankaran's roots).
The weakening of the immune system, makes it very complicated for the
organism to eliminate or overcome the causing or attracted micro-organism,
like parasites, fungi, bacteria, mites etc.(even after restoring the vital
force, because they have overgrown the organism).
I think this is the difference, i.e. I never knew the link between of
Candida and Tourette, but this gives me insight that next to the genetic/
vital weakening there is something else going on that needs our specific
attention?

Kind regards, Piet

Re: EPIGENICS - Miasms?

Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 10:38 pm
by Shannon Nelson
Well... I'd think that candida is pretty close to an infectious
disease, the only difference being that it is always with us, but is
resisted or not according to the strength of the immune system, the
cell walls, and maybe other things. But I wouldn't put it in a class
with famine, or even toxic chemical exposure.

Also, miasms can express their effects *entirely* within the nervous
system, e.g. people who do not "catch" any diseases at all, but are
deeply affected at the mental/emotional realm. How does that fit with
what you're suggesting?
Shannon

Re: EPIGENICS - Miasms?

Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 10:54 pm
by Simon King LCPH MARH
Hooray!

:-)

Simon
(guarding his genomes)
All things are possible, some are just more probable than others.

Re: EPIGENICS - Miasms?

Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 11:56 am
by Piet Guijt
Hi Shannon, all
I'm not saying I have all the answers, but my recent discovery of the
Candida link to Tourette and other serious disorders forces me to take a
look at this from an other angle. See also on the site of Tinus Smits
http://www.tinussmits.com/english/
To be honest; In those cases exclusive homeopathic treatment sometimes take
a lot of time to overcome the disease if at all, even with deep
anti-miasmatic remedies.
To make this more practical:
I'm treating two brothers age 9 and 12 with the Tourette syndrome, I
prescribed the fitting remedy for their presenting state, Kali-c (12) and
Ars (9).
The reaction to the remedy is great, but the head jerking of the Kali-c
(after 2 years treatment) and the Ars fear (4 months) still exist, although
they are overall much better.
I like to speed up things and support the recovery, now I know what could be
the maintaining cause.
I'm considering now to ask the mother to put the boys on capryl acid,
probiotics and a diet based on correct food combination, no sugar if
possible etc.
I know capryl acid will weaken and kill the candida yeast and parasites. The
way I see this is a psoric infection, so the miasmatic weakening of the
immune system is covered by the given remedies but the progress is slow. I
hope this interference will break the negative ongoing spiral and will
create space for the immune system to re-establish a better balance.

Do you, or someone else have experience with this, or suggestions?

Kind regards, Piet

Re: EPIGENICS - Miasms?

Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 1:05 pm
by Joy Lucas
Dear Piet, I am all for encouraging the best diet one can have but the
body produces caprylic acid naturally and so I don't understand why you
wouldn't want to continue using homeopathic rx to address the candida.
For example you might be able to draw a line between the tourette's,
candida, family h/o gonorrhea (??) = medorrhinum = sycotic more than
psoric. But this is just an example and the use of an intercurrent
homeopathic rx whether it be nosode or not surely would be better. If
not can you say why. Also what parasites are present? Best wishes, Joy

http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.blogspot.com

Re: EPIGENICS - Miasms?

Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 1:42 pm
by Shannon Nelson
No experience with Tourette's, but plenty with candida! Also suggest
she eliminate low-quality oils (no trans fats, fried foods), and
possibly reduce or (temporariliy) eliminate animal fats, and give them
plenty of good-quality omega 3 (and mixed) oils--fish, flax, hemp,
walnuts. I'm told this helps rebuild and strengthen the cell walls so
they can more successfully resist the yeasts. Also, at least in my
part of the world, poor quality fats and severe imbalance of too much
of some, but too little of omega 3 fatty acids, can be a strong
maintaining cause.
Shannon

Re: EPIGENICS - Miasms?

Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 7:38 pm
by Piet Guijt
Hi Joy, All,
I'm open to any suggestion, but I know that a serious Candida case is very
difficult to cure with only homeopathic remedies.
Maybe I'm lacking the skills, but in the past I tried remedies such a Med
and Sep etc, based on the disease picture and (local) peculiarities etc,
complementary to the individual remedy, but failed to reach satisfactory
results in such cases. There was progress and success, but in my opinion to
minimal and to slow.
Most of these cases are caused by excessive use of anti-biotics and
cortisones. This changes the normal Candida to a hostile very persistent
pathogenic yeast. This is a very unnatural situation for a living being (it
only should have occured after death), created by a aggressive outside
intervention, maybe to change it back we must do something similar but in a
reverse direction?
It is true the body is able to produce capryl acid, but to overcome the
(local) candida in a short period of time the body needs 2700-3600 mg daily.
I guess this is beyond the capacity of the organism?
When we reinforce the vital the force it will manage the Candida the best it
can, and maybe after many years drive it gradually back and some lost ground
is taken back, but will it be wiped out and brought back normal and natural
proportions? This a real problem, I read 1 to 4 persons has this infection
due to modern medicine and diet.

I love to hear your opinion and experience in such cases.

Kind regards, Piet