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Dr.Leelah-
May be I am a materialist ( but I still believe in high potencies and
in homeopathy) but I do not believe hahnemann talked of religious
things when he talked about soul. Of course based on our training and
beliefs traction here might vary.

1)Do animals have miasms and how is the soul explanation work there?
Or may be they are alienated at their level from GOd, Higher force?

2)When we talk about inherited miams what are we talking about. Is it
the sins of the fathers visiting the children?

3)Non believers cannot be treated for miasms successfully?

4)If a person does not believe in God but in Godliness can he/she be
treated?

5)If one follows a religion which does not suggest that people pray
etc. and denouncing God is also a part of the religion what happens
then?

6)In some communist countries and totalitarian states where there are
teachings against religion and God, where people have been
indoctrinated, cannot the people be treated for miasms?

7)Where did demon come into the picture?

8)I have asked you before and I shall ask you now. How do diagnose
this soul affections? From what you have said I understand that if
you diagnose miasms you are also diagnosing soul problems. Is that
true? Do you have a specific questionnaire or set of questions that
you ask?

9)If the patient believes in soul but the doctor does not can the
patient be treated successfully?

10)Can our provings cause these soul affections? Let us say I am
proving Hyos or something and then stoutly start denying God and keep
on proving the medicine for a year. After how long will the soul
affection start?

11) Since you have so much faith in faith healing, do you think that
faith healing is much better than Homeopathy for antimiasmatic
treatment? That is if you are going to send patients who are not
curable homeopathically for faith healing and if all miasms are souls
affections to some degree ,why not send them straight away for faith
healing? Are we doing them an injustice treating them homeopathically?

12)If a patient is an atheist and is not willing to be "converted"
and repent for this alienation, will you tell the patient that their
condition is incurable homeopathically?

You said
people from all> the useful homeopathic concepts KEnt taught-

I think you are doing the same thing with Hahnemann here.
Do you think he spoke
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Dear hahnemannian,
Sorry .I am interfering between U and Dr Leela.I felt some of question U asked I would also answer.

1)Do animals have miasms and how is the soul explanation work there?
Or may be they are alienated at their level from GOd, Higher force?

Yes Animals ,plants ,where ever life is there MIASMS are there.
2)When we talk about inherited miams what are we talking about. Is it
the sins of the fathers visiting the children?
They are neither SINS nor VIRTUES They are tendencies.
3)Non believers cannot be treated for miasms successfully?

Belive or dont belive Miasm or Tendencies exists .I belive or dont belive I resemble my father or mother or grand father either side etc.Miasms can be succesfully treated.
4)If a person does not believe in God but in Godliness can he/she be
treated?

When animal or Plant can be treated ,Why not Human ? he belives or not or even ignorant of philosophies can be treated.
5)If one follows a religion which does not suggest that people pray
etc. and denouncing God is also a part of the religion what happens
then?
What can happens ,Nothing happens ,if he comes to homoeopathy ,one can be treated on basis of Miasms
6)In some communist countries and totalitarian states where there are
teachings against religion and God, where people have been
indoctrinated, cannot the people be treated for miasms?
People which every country they live,they can be treated.Homoeopathy( with MIASM) does not distiguish on basis of Religion,Caste ,Race or nation hood but on Individual personality -U know. But certain countries wont support or allow Homoeopathy.There, one cannot help
7)Where did demon come into the picture?

8)I have asked you before and I shall ask you now. How do diagnose
this soul affections? From what you have said I understand that if
you diagnose miasms you are also diagnosing soul problems. Is that
true? Do you have a specific questionnaire or set of questions that
you ask?
I

If one has knowledge of Miasms ,it is easy .Miasms are not separate entity.Part and parcel of disease picture.Better accept Miasms .one can diagnose miasms through symptoms .

9)If the patient believes in soul but the doctor does not can the
patient be treated successfully?
This may be specific question toDr Leela but Patient can be treated successfully -No doubt.But If docter has MIASM knowledge also He can treat more or most successfully
10)Can our provings cause these soul affections? Let us say I am
proving Hyos or something and then stoutly start denying God and keep
on proving the medicine for a year. After how long will the soul
affection start?
Our Provings first affect the Soul only.Time depends on suceptibility of individual.
11) Since you have so much faith in faith healing, do you think that
faith healing is much better than Homeopathy for antimiasmatic
treatment? That is if you are going to send patients who are not
curable homeopathically for faith healing and if all miasms are souls
affections to some degree ,why not send them straight away for faith
healing? Are we doing them an injustice treating them homeopathically?

12)If a patient is an atheist and is not willing to be "converted"
and repent for this alienation, will you tell the patient that their
condition is incurable homeopathically?
Oh!! these Two questions are to be answered by Dr Leela only.
In conclusion I belive and my experience is" H'S MIASMATIC THEORY" is very much applcable to clinical practice.Good knowledge of Miasms helps in treating Acute as well as chronic ,some times genetically in herited diseases successfully to the advantage of patient."HOMOEOPATHY's" fLAG FLIES HIGH.
Sorry for interference.
With Good Wishes
Ramachandra,

Hyderabad,INDIA

hahnemannian2002 wrote:

Dr.Leelah-
May be I am a materialist ( but I still believe in high potencies and
in homeopathy) but I do not believe hahnemann talked of religious
things when he talked about soul. Of course based on our training and
beliefs traction here might vary.
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Dr H, I was going to bed its 12.30 AM a budding new day - but...
Dr.Leelah-
May be I am a materialist ( but I still believe in high potencies and
in homeopathy) but I do not believe hahnemann talked of religious
things when he talked about soul.
+++Are you saying a soul is religious? OR are you saying a soul is
human? I think you're not quite sure yourself what a soul is!!!
What Hahnemann meant I think depends on what a person wants to or is
capable of seeing. As one gains more expereince and wisdom, one
notices a lot of what HAhenmann said that one never noticed before ...
so one should keep reading the CD and the Organon over and over again.
Of course based on our training and
beliefs traction here might vary.

1)Do animals have miasms and how is the soul explanation work there?
Or may be they are alienated at their level from GOd, Higher force?

+++Yes Animals have Miasm. Miasm is an affection of the LIFE spirit.
Human/Animal/Plant. All miasms can be treated with homeopathic
remedies. Disease can be treated and cured.

God looks after all life form. Only humans were alienated from God BY
THIER OWN CHOICE.This is what the need for Salvation is all about.
ANimals and plants don't need salvation.
2)When we talk about inherited miams what are we talking about. Is it
the sins of the fathers visiting the children?

+++Like I explained earlier, there is a spiritual dimension of the
soul that interacts with the Sirit of God. There is a human dimension
of the soul that interacts with the Spirit (vital force) of the living
being: plant, animal, human.

Sin is an alienation from God caused by choices made by man that are
against the will of God. These choices have SPIRITUTAL consequences,
not miasmatic consequences. YEs these spiritual consequences may also
be passed through generations - and the spiritual alienation becomes
worse.

Miasms are created by EXTERNAL morbific infuences that are inimical to
life. (or haven't you read organon?). the Miasmatic expression is the
response of the vital force to these external morbid influences in
order to maintain homeostasis. These cause ultimately genetic
weaknesses taht are passed through generation.
3)Non believers cannot be treated for miasms successfully?

ANYONE can be treated for miasms sucessfully. This is a problem of the
vital force, the human spirit. IT is not a spiritual problem.
4)If a person does not believe in God but in Godliness can he/she be
treated?

YES, same as above. BUt as I've said in amny earlier postings, there
exist SPIRITUAL blocks.
Sometimes these spiritual blocks feed miasmatic disturbances and well
indicated remedies fail to cure till that siritual block is removed.
Suppression and palliation may be possible though - but rarely with
homeopathic remedies.
5)If one follows a religion which does not suggest that people pray
etc. and denouncing God is also a part of the religion what happens
then?

I'd rather not treat them. I (personally) coudn't treat someone that
denounced God as a way of life - as in Satanism. I think this is one
of the Spiritual blocks I mentioned above that can interfere with
treatment. Denouncing God is not an attitude that is life-giving.
Someone who seeks death cannot want to be well. A homeoapthic remedy
would not be able to help. (This is just my opinion).

6)In some communist countries and totalitarian states where there are
teachings against religion and God, where people have been
indoctrinated, cannot the people be treated for miasms?

Sure they can be!

7)Where did demon come into the picture?

Dr. H, how much are you paying me for this lecture?
Well anyway, this is not something I can talk about here. IT requires
a great deal of background understanding and it SHOULD NOT be taken
out of context.
But there are "incurable" cases that medicine will not work. My answer
to question 5, is one situation.
Jesus removed demons from a few people where the demons tried to MIMIC
some common diseases. IT does nto mena that all these diseases demonic.
If a demon is present (as in possession), it will usually identify itself.
8)I have asked you before and I shall ask you now. How do diagnose
this soul affections? From what you have said I understand that if
you diagnose miasms you are also diagnosing soul problems. Is that
true? Do you have a specific questionnaire or set of questions that
you ask?

Dr. H, I don't treat people for Soul problems. I am a homeopath, I
treat people for problems with their vital force mainfested in
symptoms. I RECOGNIZE soul problems, is what I said.
I suggest to people - IF THEY ARE OPEN TO IT - WHERE they can seek
better help for those problems. Many of them have taken my advise, and
have thanked me later.
OF course I PRAY for myself, for my family and for my friends who need
it - if that's what you're asking.
9)If the patient believes in soul but the doctor does not can the
patient be treated successfully?

SURE! Why not?! As long as the doctor knows his profession.
10)Can our provings cause these soul affections? Let us say I am
proving Hyos or something and then stoutly start denying God and keep
on proving the medicine for a year. After how long will the soul
affection start?

THis is the difficult part of provings. It may be possible to cause
some indelible stamps on the vital force if not properly conducted or
if a person is very sensitive to certian energies.
I dont' know if/when soul affections start.

So, this does not necessarily cause SOUL problems. Also The power of
God, the SPirit of God can overcome ANY of these affections - of the
soul or of the Human SPirit (vital force).
11) Since you have so much faith in faith healing, do you think that
faith healing is much better than Homeopathy for antimiasmatic
treatment?

+++What has to be treated with medicine should be.
Faith healing reuqires a lot of factors to come into play at that
point of time, as much as it needs a state of mind, heart, soul and
spirit. HEnce not everyone is able to expereince faith healing.

That is if you are going to send patients who are not
curable homeopathically for faith healing and if all miasms are souls
affections to some degree ,why not send them straight away for faith
healing? Are we doing them an injustice treating them homeopathically?

+++NO, as explained above - there needs to be certian factors
conducive for faith healing to take place. IT requires a level of
spiritual development and state of soul. Not everyone is open to this,
not everyone believes in this, it is a process of developing complete
faith and trust in God. If this does not exist how can one be expected
to be healed through faith healing?

If a person deos not believe in homeoapthy, can one force that person
to take homeopathic medicine?

+++So - give homeopathy to those who choose it.
LEt those who choose allopathy instead, take it.
Let those who want to come to God, come to Him.
the choice is the patients, not mine or yours.

12)If a patient is an atheist and is not willing to be "converted"
and repent for this alienation, will you tell the patient that their
condition is incurable homeopathically?

+++Now WHY should I reach this conclusion for this poor athiest??? HE
deserves every homeopathic similimum he can get - as much as anyone else!
You said
people from all> the useful homeopathic concepts KEnt taught-

I think you are doing the same thing with Hahnemann here.

+++I think you're putting words in MY mouth now! Are you anit-KEntian?
WOuld you please give me the EXACT REFERECE where KEnt stated that
Miasm is ORpginal Sin? I'm asking this in "payment" for my long, ONE
hour lecture above.
IF he did, i do not agree with him (KENT). But I don't think he did.
No Christian would say so. No Christian would be accepted for saying
so. Spiritual concepts are relatively clear in Christianity.

Dr. H, there is a lot of confusion (of spiritual concepts) in your
questions. But I'm glad you asked them. I hope I have clarified things
and not added to the confusion though!
Its 1.30 AM, I"m going to bed now.
All the best,
Leela

Hi Ramachandra - Thanks for interfering and giving your views -
This is a discussion - so anyone can participate. The questions were
not for miasms in general - the questions were for miasms as
interrupted connections between individual soul and God. Please read
the questions once again with that view.
Thanks for your views any way.

-- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, indu masoor wrote:
question U asked I would also answer.
there?
it
belive I resemble my father or mother or grand father either side
etc.Miasms can be succesfully treated.
be
not or even ignorant of philosophies can be treated.
can be treated on basis of Miasms
are
( with MIASM) does not distiguish on basis of Religion,Caste ,Race or
nation hood but on Individual personality -U know. But certain
countries wont support or allow Homoeopathy.There, one cannot help
entity.Part and parcel of disease picture.Better accept Miasms .one
can diagnose miasms through symptoms .
successfully -No doubt.But If docter has MIASM knowledge also He can
treat more or most successfully
keep
suceptibility of individual.
that
souls
faith
homeopathically?
their
is very much applcable to clinical practice.Good knowledge of Miasms
helps in treating Acute as well as chronic ,some times genetically in
herited diseases successfully to the advantage of
patient."HOMOEOPATHY's" fLAG FLIES HIGH.
and
and
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Dr.Leelah Thanks for taking the time to answer. The questions were
not just to educate myself about soul and spirit but to bring more
light to the issues and to get your views about these since I would
never mix soul and sulphur together for miasms as you would.I do not
think your answers, though sincerely delivered, added any more
clarity.

I did not start the talk about soul. You did. I am not confused about
Souls since I do not think Hahnemann is talking anything spiritual. I
believe he was talking from a strictly medical point of view.
Moreover the thread started with your questions for clarification
from Theresa and my response was a reply to it and not for my benefit.

I did not first discuss about kent as well. you spoke about anti-kent
etc. I do not care even if kent had said that psora is original sin -
I do not subscribe to this sin business at all - so there.

Please do not imply that I do not know Organon. I have practised
Homeopathy for more than 20 years and lectured for BHMS and DHMS
people and have served as examiner for Homeopathic medical college
exams. I do not have to be taught fresh.

I guess we are too far apart in our approach to homeopathy and what
constitutes modern homeopathic practice even to understand each
other. Still thanks for answering the questions.
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "doctorleelah2h"
wrote:
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things

Dr. H,
Ahh, my late night escapade surely backfired. I should have listened
to my husband and gone to bed early - he fired me for not looking
after my healthy at 1.30 AM! " Leela, what was so important on that
computer?! Don't tell me you are feeling sick tomorrow then... and on
and on..." When he does that - I know I'm going to get it (as dr. H's
reply post)... My hubby's got good intuition...!
Probably I did not express myself in the right tone. It certainly
seems to have upset you. I apologise for the tone...

HAve you heard of a common terminology "When one dies ones soul goes
to God"? What exactly whould this soul be? This is what I call a soul.
HOw can a soul go to God if there is no connection with God? IT does
not say ones "heart and mind" goes to God.
What Hahenmann referred to can be debatebale as you have expressed.

I understand thre are many loose references to the soul, so I did try
to define soul from my perspective. But I'm not sure I confused soul
and miasma, in fact I thought I was DIFFERENTIATING between the two. I
seem to have read earlier that you have problems with Miasm as well?
Also many of your questions (dirty 12) seem to be a trap of sorts - or
hadn't you noticed?

My reason for differentiating between Soul and Miasm/vital force is
not related to you - it has more to do with some fundamentalist
Christians seeking to condemn homeopathy because people (specifically
New Age) have sought to move too far into the spiritual realm with it
confusing issues - as Theresa mentioned in one post. SO my questions
were to gain some understanding for myself (which you jumped into),
but you were the one who brought up the "DIRTY DOZEN" - or did I?

The "myth" that Kent called psora the soul - I'd still really like to
hear the actual reference.
If any other member has an idea bout this - I"m seriously interested
to hearing what exactly KEnt said. I"ll be obliged.

I do apologise if I have hurt anyone elses feelings. I realise there
may be some limits I ahve crossed here in terms of spelling out
spiritual issues in relation to homeopathy and some may not like it. I
can't imagine, though, where I may get more serious feedback than on
this list. I'm interested in understanding exactly what people
experience directly from them.

Of course I'm not perfect and I probably have a way of
talking/expressing myself that I think is straight-forward but may not
often polite and probably often insensitive ... well, I working on it!
One of my many deviations! I apologise to those quiet ones on the list
who may have experienced this of me.

Thanks,
Leela
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "hahnemannian2002"
wrote:

Dr.Leelah-
Thanks for the response. No hard feelings.
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "doctorleelah2h"
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Hi Ramachandra,
Very nice answers, thanks.
There seems to be a slight difference in what you view as soul and
what I do. BUt in genreal I think we have the same ideas of
homeopathic scope.
D.r leela
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, indu masoor wrote:
question U asked I would also answer.
belive I resemble my father or mother or grand father either side
etc.Miasms can be succesfully treated.
not or even ignorant of philosophies can be treated.
can be treated on basis of Miasms
treated.Homoeopathy( with MIASM) does not distiguish on basis of
Religion,Caste ,Race or nation hood but on Individual personality -U
know. But certain countries wont support or allow Homoeopathy.There,
one cannot help
entity.Part and parcel of disease picture.Better accept Miasms .one
can diagnose miasms through symptoms .
successfully -No doubt.But If docter has MIASM knowledge also He can
treat more or most successfully
suceptibility of individual.
is very much applcable to clinical practice.Good knowledge of Miasms
helps in treating Acute as well as chronic ,some times genetically in
herited diseases successfully to the advantage of
patient."HOMOEOPATHY's" fLAG FLIES HIGH.
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Dr. H,
that's great! Thanks for being understanding.

You said:
"I guess we are too far apart in our approach to homeopathy and
other. Still thanks for answering the questions."

What for you would constitute 'modern homeoapthic practice' that is
different to mine? Who is it that defines "modern homeopathic practice"?
For me its an interesting question, but you need not answer.
leela
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "hahnemannian2002"
wrote:

I think this is an extremely interesting thing to discuss.
However I would be surprised if homeopaths across the world could
settle to a mutual consensus across the board.

- The reason for this is BELIEFS. Beliefs differ too widely across
the world in regard to God, soul, etc. for everyone to concur
+ we must also ask whether there is a difference between beliefs
( about God , existence, worship) etc and religion?

So my question is this: that considering how consistently persons of
differing religions (+beliefs) cannot see eye to eye, how can a
discipline like homeopathy accurately define itself without either
encompassing ALL or excluding ALL religious beliefs ?

This then would lead on to the questions of whether homeopaths could
or should also function as Priests (without ordination) or whether
they should be clear (in their own minds at least) that there is s
difference between practicing homeopathy and giving their personal
opinion (however authoritatively)
Simon
All things are possible, some are just more probable than others.