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Return Rate (was scientific studies)

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 3:27 am
by Fran Sheffield
Hi all,

RSN> Once I start a "real" practice I will have to think long and hard about
RSN> how to keep people with me as I continue clawing my way up the learning
RSN> curve, LOL!

RSN> Now someone is going to say that the long time-frame means they might
RSN> have just "gotten over" it, so it's sort of like placebo. My response
RSN> will be--No Way! (Details if needed, but not that interesting.)

RSN> But--if they're not coming back for a second appointment, that makes it
RSN> hard for you to know what's happened, doesn't it? Some people make a
RSN> single combined charge for the first and second appointments to make
RSN> *sure* they get at least that one follow-up. I like that idea!
RSN> Shannon

Not to boast but I must have a return rate of about 99%. I cannot
remember the last time when somebody did not return for a first
follow-up appointment. In case it is helpful for anyone else I will
list what I now do as in years past my return rate used to be
variable.

My return rate improved purely as a result of intiating changes in my
practice to provide better patient care - I was unhappy with how I was
managing some cases and problems that were arising.

The first consultation consists of case-taking, facial photographs,
and explanation/education of the process. I explain how to take the
remedy, when they are to contact me again by phone, and what I will be
doing with them on appointment 1, 2, 3, etc (Along with monitoring
remedy reactions I will focus on a different area at each appointment
- dietary improvements, exercise, lifestyle, spirituality, etc).

I will nearly always have the patient come back the following day to
pick up their remedy - I do a lot of the case and paperwork outside of
the face to face consultation time.

I mostly prescribe liquid remedies and patients are told to take a
test dose and phone me in three days to advise me of their response as
this will determine the frequency of doses they will take before the
next consult. I let them know that I keep between 8am - 9am every
morning free and stay by the phone to receive BRIEF incoming calls.
They are advised that phoning later is OK too but their call may go
through to my voice mail if I am in consultation - but that I will
always get back to them as soon as possible.

This phone practice would have to be one of the best things I have
introduced - patients hate not being able to contact you when they
need you but with this system they know they have at least one time
during the day when they can. It means that they can live with the
fact that they may not be able to speak to you immediately at other
times of the day. It has also given me better control over incoming
calls - I am not having to return as many (saves time and money) and
patients can accept the fact that as there may be other people trying
to phone in I can only provide short instructions and guidance over
the phone and not a mini-consult - this is something they have to
book in for. There is no charge for this brief contact. I also use
this time to sort out my office and prepare for the coming day's work.

At the three day phone call following the test dose, I give
instuctions on dilution, succussion, and frequency, according to what
sort of response they have had. I also book their first followup
appointment with them for 2 weeks time (something they had been told I
would do at the first appointment so they can have their diary handy).
I find 2 weeks gives enough time to see the direction the remedy is
taking them but not so much time that unreported aggravations, etc
cause major problems. The patient is again reminded that they can
still phone me in that 8-9am period if they want to check on anything.

Subsequent followup appointments are usually made at 3 weekly
intervals until the case is stable and then on an as needed basis. For
most of my patients this will usually occur around appointment 3 or 4.
Even with patients I am having trouble making progress with, they will
usually continue with me to at least the third or fourth appointment.

I find this sort of process plus the liquid dosing with its more
frequent repetitions keeps the treatment in the patient's mind and
develops commitment. Infrequent dry doses has the opposite effect. It
is easy to lose patients when they lose touch with the process and
with you.

I also run regular community workshops over several weeks on
homeopathy which I don't think I will ever stop because the sort of
patient who comes into the clinic from these workshops is a pleasure
to work with. Half of my work is already done because they are familar
with homeopathy its process. I used to think that the workshops were
the reason I have such a high return rate but find that even though my
"word of mouth" patients may be more confused or not fully on board
with homeopathy, they still return for their followups so it must be
the other things I am doing.

Has anybody else found some good practice/patient management
strategies? I would love to hear of them.

Best regards,
Fran mailto:FranSheffield@homeopathyplus.com.au

Re: Return Rate (was scientific studies)

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 4:47 am
by Shannon Nelson
Thanks Fran,
I love your approach! No wonder they stay with you--I'm sure they
can't wait to see just what fascinating tidbits will come next!! :-)

What do you do in the "community workshops"?
Shannon

Re: Return Rate (was scientific studies)

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 6:21 am
by doctorleelah2h
Hi Fran,
I largely concur with you. In the sense that I have a very good return
rate, and have chronic patients following up for the last 10 years or
so. I think practice styles, expereince and confidence of the
practitioner have a lot to do with it. When I started out, I certianly
did not have figurels like thos below.

The ones that stay for more than 3-4 years are the best fun because
one can see them really reach a point of "cure" as it is termed.
Is the return rate calculated based on how many subsequent visits? i'd
say ALL (100%) patients stay with me for at least 6 months - about 80%
of these recover completely from the presenting complaint they came to
me for. ABout 20% recover partially or lose patience in the
homeopathic process - of these I"d say 5% have felt no change.
About 50% of my overal group continue for longer than 2 years.

I like your approach to dealing with various aspects like lifestyle,
diet, sporotuality, etc. that is something I could incorporate into my
practice. BUt does that result in extra charge? OR do they pay you acc
to the time you spend with them anyway? I"d love to hear more about
this, privately if you like.

I find the best thing that helps pracice is educating the pateint on
the homeopathic process. the first 3 months I make an effort to
explain their responses to their remedy and how the process of cure is
going to take place. They get very fascinated with this process and
are willing to wait. Usually once they have been with me for 3 months,
I"m able to predict the path for them based on a good hitsory - and
when they see this happenning as I have told them.. (prophetic ... no
... just Hering's Law with miasms :) )They are delighted to see it
happening just as I have told them.
Its real fun actually!

ANother important part is judging the response to the remedy and
explaining it to them. Similar to how you have stated. Also allowing
them to ask questions when they need to.
IN acutes (especially kids with fevers an asthamatic attacks) I'm
usually on call 24 hours.... that gives them a true sense of security
.. and very few trouble me once they have confidence in the homeoapthi
remedy working.

I think though - that the best approach is a team approach of 2 or
more people that have similar midsets working together. For me that
has been the mots fulfilling type of practice. Response rate is 100%,
cure rate is 95% and the fun is 200%!
leela
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Re: Return Rate (was scientific studies)

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 2:54 pm
by Fran Sheffield
Hello doctorleelah2h,

Saturday, September 10, 2005, 2:21:36 PM, you wrote:

d> The ones that stay for more than 3-4 years are the best fun because
d> one can see them really reach a point of "cure" as it is termed.
d> Is the return rate calculated based on how many subsequent visits? i'd
d> say ALL (100%) patients stay with me for at least 6 months - about 80%
d> of these recover completely from the presenting complaint they came to
d> me for. ABout 20% recover partially or lose patience in the
d> homeopathic process - of these I"d say 5% have felt no change.
d> About 50% of my overal group continue for longer than 2 years.

My percentages would probably be similar except after it is more
likely that after the 3-4 month period some will discontinue their
treatment for a variety of reasons. Many do renew contact again at a
later stage.

It would be interesting to hear what your situation is. In Australia
there are a wide number of alternative therapies and practitioners for
people to try. I am sure cost and ignorance are two reasons why people
do not turn to homeopathy more often for their primary form of health
care. We have a government funded healthcare system where people can
receive free conventional medical treatment - an appointment with a
doctor and diagnostics will cost nothing - even hospital admissions
and surgery are free though increasingly, "public" patients are having
to go on waiting list for non-urgent surgery. Medications are also
heavily subsidised if income is below a certain level. IIt would be
lovely to be working on a level playing field.

d> I like your approach to dealing with various aspects like lifestyle,
d> diet, sporotuality, etc. that is something I could incorporate into my
d> practice. BUt does that result in extra charge? OR do they pay you acc
d> to the time you spend with them anyway? I"d love to hear more about
d> this, privately if you like.

My initial consultations are 1 1/2 hours and I allow 45 minutes for
followups. In actual fact I try and keep them to 1/2 hr so I can use the
remaining 15 minutes for associated paperwork and to return incoming
calls, etc. If a followup does take longer than the 1/2 hr I also have
some room to move.

d> I find the best thing that helps pracice is educating the pateint on
d> the homeopathic process.

I agree with this totally. I have a philosophy that it is far better
to educate than advertise and this is how I have built my practice.
Everybody wins.
d> I think though - that the best approach is a team approach of 2 or
d> more people that have similar midsets working together. For me that
d> has been the mots fulfilling type of practice. Response rate is 100%,
d> cure rate is 95% and the fun is 200%!

I am a one woman show at the moment which has its advantages and
drawbacks. Could you explain how a group of you work together? How do
you manage that urgent call from the child with asthma and fever when
you are in consultation?
Best regards,
Fran mailto:FranSheffield@homeopathyplus.com.au

Re: Return Rate (was scientific studies)

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 3:00 pm
by Fran Sheffield
Hello Leelah,

I just realised I did not answer your question.

Saturday, September 10, 2005, 2:21:36 PM, you wrote:

d> I like your approach to dealing with various aspects like lifestyle,
d> diet, sporotuality, etc. that is something I could incorporate into my
d> practice. BUt does that result in extra charge? OR do they pay you acc
d> to the time you spend with them anyway?

No, I do not charge extra but see it as part of what I should do as a
homeopathic practitioner - similar to what Hahnemann said. I tend to
give written material to support suggestions I make in these areas
rather than spend a huge amount of time - every case is different
though.
--
Best regards,
Fran mailto:FranSheffield@homeopathyplus.com.au

Re: Return Rate (was scientific studies)

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 7:51 pm
by Shannon Nelson
On Sep 10, 2005, at 7:57 AM, Fran Sheffield wrote:
Our first family homeopath (now retired) worked with a clinic of about
six well-trained homeopaths. Wow, it was *wonderful*!!!! They shared
"on-call", so you could reach someone pretty much whenever you needed
to. (For a while those calls were all no-charge, then they instituted
a $50 after-hours charge, very much worth it in a genuine crisis!) To
call your own prescriber while s/he was in consultation, you'd leave a
message and get called back, usually within half hour or so; except in
a true emergency, when the receptionist would patch you thru to the
doc.

Mmm, those were the days...
Shannon

Re: Return Rate (was scientific studies)

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 8:58 pm
by Joy Lucas
This is how it should be. if I lived near to at least 2 other
Homeopaths I would set up a walk in clinic that required no
appointments - half how max for acutes and if you work at it you could
shave down taking a full chronic case to an hour, forget all that 2
hour + routine. This is the way to do it, be the best homeopath that
you can, learn to work quickly, get the cure rates up, reach out to as
many people as possible and that will be the best ammunition against
the enemy (whatever shape or form they take). Encouraging reading,
thanks. Joy
http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.blogspot.com
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Re: Return Rate (was scientific studies)

Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 9:20 pm
by Rosemary C Hyde
Fran, your description of your practice management was an excellent description, I think, of how a successful practice develops. Educating the client is such an important part of what we do. As clients understand the workings of homeopathy, they become our valued collaborators; they understand how remedies act, how to interpret their experiences, and how important their observations are to our joint success in their treatment. We also build a human bond of caring, which people need -- all of us need. As I see it, whatever other tools I can give people along the way -- nutritional or personal counseling, simple behavioral suggestions, acute use of remedies or supplements -- these are also part of my healing relationship with them, and are part of the package when we see each other. Their freedom to get in touch with me with questions and other acute concerns is likewise an important part of our relationship. They are reasonable about this, and when what starts out as a quick question evolves into a demanding new intervention, they generally bring up the issue of payment themselves. I think that when one is a part of their ongoing support team as their homeopath, there's no drop out issue.

One thing that is central in making this whole system work, however, is the habit of routinely scheduling a specific follow-up appointment for the future during the time that they will need ongoing evaluation before the treatment has finished working. When we get to the end of treatment, we then agree mutually that we don't need to do this any more, and they come back if/ when something else comes up.

Rosemary

Re: Return Rate (was scientific studies)

Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2005 3:12 pm
by Shannon Nelson
Fran, Chris and others,
Are you using LMs only, or also Cs in liquid dose?
(And do you have any cases where you wind up using dry doses instead?)
Thanks for all of these WONDERFUL tips!
Shannon

Re: Return Rate (was scientific studies)

Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 7:26 pm
by Rosemary C Hyde
One more minor point to add to Chris' excellent discussion of the different liquid potencies and how she uses them: Understandably, people with an addiction to alcohol do not want remedies with alcohol mixed in, even a little. I comply, of course, making up their remedies with only water. I tell these people to store their remedies in the fridge, which seems to work fine to preserve them.

Rosemary