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Dear All, I am very interested in the remedy Zea italica. It has a very
compact sx picture but a very interesting one as it is one of the few
remedies that has a mania for washing/bathing. It also has suicide by
drowning, eczema and psoriasis, gonorrhea, some eating disorders and

I can understand the mania for washing because of the gonorrhea and the
skin symptoms also the suicide possibly linked to alcoholism. There is
a big connection to water generally.

I want to do some work on this remedy but am having trouble with its
classification. My references say this is corn silk but that is
Stigmata maydis (with which it is comparable) and I am wondering if Zea
italica is actually millet and not corn silk and if so should be called
Setaria italica.

As far as I know these are both in the Gramineae family, one that is
all about the search for identity through contact with others.

Actually both these 2 rx are fascinating but can anyone shed any light
on whether this is Zea italica or should it be Setaria italica? My
reference at present is Murphy's MM.

Many thanks in advance, Joy
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Joy, sorry I dont have any interesting information to help in your search. Your mention of the graminaceae, however, makes me wonder if you can provide more information on that family as you work on the remedy you're seeking. And it brings me back to a question I've been harboring for a while, whether anyone actually has any clinical experience using Bambusa homoepathically (another member of the graminaceae). It comes up so very often in repertorizations, and yet I personally have not met up with any cases in which it has actually been used. This whole family, obviously, could use a much better presentation in the homeopathic literature than it apparently has yet received.

Thanks for being on the trail! Rosemary

I've used Bambusa with one case where it was very helpful with neck ache combining with headache. It wasn't a full simillimum for this patient, but it definitely moved him on, and relieved his suffering for a while. I was giving him 9C in water.
Regards,
Vera

Rosemary C Hyde wrote:

(snip)..And it brings me back to a question I've been harboring for a while, whether anyone actually has any clinical experience using Bambusa homoepathically (another member of the graminaceae). It comes up so very often in repertorizations, and yet I personally have not met up with any cases in which it has actually been used... (snip)

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What a rich world we live in, I had forgotten about bambusa and now the
project has got much bigger )

This family includes Zea, Stigmata, Avena, Arundo, Bambusa, Phleum,
Saccharum, Anthoxanthum - to name but a few.

I will gladly write a piece of something or other and relay it back.
Best wishes, Joy
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Many thanks, Joy! Rosemary

Hi Joy

Sometimes our materia medica have terms of their own as you know, and when
investigating the wider knowledge web, we discover that we are alone in our
'version' of things

I think this may be an example.

The Zea's are only the corns, and there are around 374 Zea mays now, family
poaceae/gramineae, genus being zea, and the species being mays.
Stigmata maydis does refer to the corn silk, and it seems that in the Mat.
Med, especially if you look in Clarke, you can see how the silk or the husk
of the corn have been used --- and Clarke distinguishes the symptoms between
these two.
So, my take is that Zea mays and Stigmata may.. are referring to the same
thing.

However, with Zea italica --- this may be an error in our books in that it
could be misleading, and could really mean as you thought Setaria italica,
which is a millet -- not the common one though (panicum miliaceum), but one
known as foxtail millet. Family Poaceae/gramineae. Why it would come to
our books as corn silk is a mystery to me.
Here are some other names

Chaetochloa italica; Panicum flavum; Panicum italicum
Common names:
Foxtail millet; Italian millet; German millet; Hungarian millet; Siberian
millet

There are approx 1450 plants in the family poaceae/gramineae --- the grasses
just out of interest.

MIND delirium is the only common rubric to both Stig and Zea

I found an interesting article on Foxtail millet and the Common millet that
had a little history of their use as food --- Foxtail seems to be one of the
first grains utilised -- so I guess we can tip our hat to its value as a
food for our ancestors.
I think that with only 5 rubrics in Synthesis, it could stand another
proving

Re the above info, I could be wrong in my assumptions, and note that in
synthesis, there are only Zea-i and Stigmata as options --- there is no Zea
mays -- and in Synthesis the common rubrics to both Stig and zea-i are mind
delirium and chronic cystitis.

Sankaran has some info on the sensations for this family --- there is a long
list --- but can not copy it as it is in the database of his program,
however, the theme seems to be tingling, pricking , needles and thorn
sensations.

Best

Robyn
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Many thanks Robyn, you are a gem. I am convinced now that the so called
Zea italica is really Setaria italica (millet). It would seem our reps
and mm's have been genetically modified as well as these crops

I too would like to see a new proving on this and I guess the error in
naming came at the time of the original proving (or wherever the sx
information came from).

I don't think there is a problem with the 2 Zeas, i.e. stigmata and
shucks, the error lies mainly with the millet - as far as I can gather.
Thanks again, Joy
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Are there any remedies in use that are actually from the corn family?
(And Joy, what brought this teeny remedy to your attention? I often
wonder how one *every* decides to use a remedy with so little
information available--any tips?)

Shannon

Hi Shannon

From my perspective, and based on what I said in my last post, there is not
a 'corn' family but a grasses family, which has quite a few
representatives --- however, from a provings perspective, it seems there are
fewer --- the family being poaceae or alternatively grimineae.

So what you have in this family is at least the following 17 rems:

EH - poaceae

anan. antho. arund-d. arund. aven. bamb-a. cyn-d. ergot. lol. phle. sacch.
sec. stigm. tritic-vg. tritic. ust. zea-i.

Re deciding how to use, well, that is a 'big' question on this list as you
might realise, however, with really small remedies, meaning that they have
very little proving information, what I do is look at it from the Sankaran
or Scholten perspective as a member of a family which will have
characteristics, and maybe look to see where in the schema we do understand
from our 'traditional' training, that it may fall eg., miasmatically, or
energetically ----- and to go with this I suppose you need to have Sankaran
and Scholten and other under your belt ---- no mean undertaking ----- and a
committment to expand your base knowledge.
Understanding the themes that run through a remedy family is crucial in my
opinion, and Sankaran had arrived at these themes based on the proving
symptoms available --- so not sure what some people find difficult about
this ----- and, bearing in mind the very nice description of the use of the
Therapeutic pocket book that Chis shared with us earlier, which basically
offers unproven combinations of rubric symptoms as leading to the similimum,
I am not sure why thematic use is not taken on board as easily.

I mentioned in my last post the thematics for the family being discussed,
and using a system such as Sankaran's, the client will use words that can be
linked to those thematic sensations which could lead you to consider it.

On another note, I know you don't have Radar, however, in that program there
is a module called the 'Vitoulkas module' which you can use to analyse your
chosen rubrics, and he divides the results into large, medium and small
rubrics to consider, which often leads me to look at lesser known and proved
remedies than would ordinarily consider.

Personally i believe this is the way of the future for homoeopathy to
progress to, rather than sticking to archaic repertorising methodology,
which worked fine when there were only 120 well proven remedies, but is
sadly lacking with the wealth of contributions now in our materia medicas,
with maybe less clinical support.

It is a life long study Shannon as I know you would probably agree. However,
it is still one I gladly participate in.
Best
Robyn

"Although I am a typical loner in my daily life, my awareness of belonging
to the invisible community of those who strive for truth, beauty, and
justice has prevented me from feelings of isolation." (Albert Einstein)

I have it in mind for a case that has the mania for washing sx, amongst
others - really bad psoriasis + allergies being the presenting
complaints. I don't use any computer software so Zea italica isn't in
that rubric in my books, neither in the suicide by drowning (the water
connection) although secale is.

I tend to make chains of thoughts, connections, and I went from Secale
(which I knew was not the rx needed) to Arundo and Anantherum (because
of the allergies and skin) and realised I was into the Gramineae family
so I continued to trawl the MM's and came across Zea italica. I haven't
prescribed yet.

I am a book worm and just love those moments of discovery and with
wonderful serendipity I was admiring someone's corn tassles the other
day. For some reason I can't grow corn, it just doesn't ripen.

The Gramineae are cereals, reeds, grasses, sugar cane + some maples?
What about lemon grass has that been proved?

To add to Robyn's excellent list I was also wondering about Juncus
effusus which is a rush and has some sx connections such as the
affinity to kidney diseases but not classified as being in the
gramineae family.

I will put some information together soon. Best wishes, Joy
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